Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods

[PorscheGT4]

bcr5784 said:

Adds to the character my arse! To be fair, I'm no great fan of open air motoring though I've had an Elise, a Caterham, a (yes really) TR3 and used motorbikes as DDs for 20 years. Personally I almost invariably ran with the roof on because it was a pain to put up/down.

I don't like soft tops really, but county roads in spring when you hit dips and the cold air rush's in and then you look up at the stars and can hear every thing.

Def adds to the character, and that's from a Coupe fan boy.

I only run roof off, I have a coupe to run roof on !

[PR36]

PorscheGT4 said:

PR36 said:

So if anyone should wonder what it would be like to change the geo on their car. Today i got my 987.1 S back with RSS lower control arms and toe steer kit with locking plates to add to my pss9 and h and r arb. I have gone from stock geo to running 2 degree camber on rear, 1.5 degree on front and toe .03 front and .07 rear. Holy moly what a difference! i cant pretend to be able to explain the difference in terms of understeer/oversteer and all the technical jargon but i can say for sure the steering response and the degree to which the car wants to turn is transformed. Highly recommend having a drive in a car thats been properly set up, its night and day, definitely recommended.

odd set up with 2k worth of RSS parts and fitment.

I would start at -1.8 front and rear camber and no front toe.

you could have got your set up with £25 worth of parts for front track and -1.5 !

OEM set up is dire, hence you feel it's great, but you can do better than what you have imo still.

So the advice I have been given is to try it and see if I like it or not on the basis that set up is a personal thing, ie there is no one size fits all. It's been done by nine excellence, every time I go there the car park is full to bursting with Porsche high end track tackle so I'm inclined to think they know what they are doing. It's true to say I don't have a frame of reference to know how further changes would affect the car but it's a world better than it was before. It isn't cheap to have the geo constantly tweaked so I will probably leave it as is.

[PR36]

J-P said:

PR36 said:

So if anyone should wonder what it would be like to change the geo on their car. Today i got my 987.1 S back with RSS lower control arms and toe steer kit with locking plates to add to my pss9 and h and r arb. I have gone from stock geo to running 2 degree camber on rear, 1.5 degree on front and toe .03 front and .07 rear. Holy moly what a difference! i cant pretend to be able to explain the difference in terms of understeer/oversteer and all the technical jargon but i can say for sure the steering response and the degree to which the car wants to turn is transformed. Highly recommend having a drive in a car thats been properly set up, its night and day, definitely recommended.

Sounds great, glad you're pleased with it. Out of interest, who did your geo?

Nine excellence

[edc]

It's worth bearing in mind you can get that geo without the RSS parts too.

[J-P]

PR36 said:

J-P said:

PR36 said:

So if anyone should wonder what it would be like to change the geo on their car. Today i got my 987.1 S back with RSS lower control arms and toe steer kit with locking plates to add to my pss9 and h and r arb. I have gone from stock geo to running 2 degree camber on rear, 1.5 degree on front and toe .03 front and .07 rear. Holy moly what a difference! i cant pretend to be able to explain the difference in terms of understeer/oversteer and all the technical jargon but i can say for sure the steering response and the degree to which the car wants to turn is transformed. Highly recommend having a drive in a car thats been properly set up, its night and day, definitely recommended.

Sounds great, glad you're pleased with it. Out of interest, who did your geo?

Nine excellence

Oh good, that's who I wanted to use too!

[PR36]

I would go down and have a chat with ken and the boys down there and they will explain the benefits of the bits. They are a top bunch of guys and I trust them to work on my car. No offence to anyone here, this would be my first port of call if I needed advice on wheel colours or whether my seat belt colour clashed with the stitching but when it comes to anything technical I would go to someone who does it every day, as I said you go to ne and the place is littered with gt3, turbos not to mention gorgeous air cooled motors all lowered with cages etc. for the track.

[PorscheGT4]

edc said:

It's worth bearing in mind you can get that geo without the RSS parts too.

lol I did say this, it's like I am invisible or no one takes what I say serious, shame really as I just see people throwing money down the toilet !

[edc]

PorscheGT4 said:

edc said:

It's worth bearing in mind you can get that geo without the RSS parts too.

lol I did say this, it's like I am invisible or no one takes what I say serious, shame really as I just see people throwing money down the toilet !

I've said the same but maybe not as often as you lol. Indeed, I have more neg camber than PR36 without the need for RSS arms using just rear adjustable toe links. I agree about the throwing money down the toilet hence I don't go for the RSS wishbones as for now I can get what I want and be happy enough without them. Don't get me wrong, these are good parts but if you're going to get them you might as well make real use of them. With regards geo, I think it is a missed opportunity to go a little different than just dial in half a degree of camber front and rear. That keeps the balance fundamentally the same just gives you more through the corners ie the car basically feels the same just hangs in longer. The real benefit of the adjustable arms is not just to get more camber but give you more flexibility to change the front-rear balance.

[edc]

PR36 said:

I would go down and have a chat with ken and the boys down there and they will explain the benefits of the bits. They are a top bunch of guys and I trust them to work on my car. No offence to anyone here, this would be my first port of call if I needed advice on wheel colours or whether my seat belt colour clashed with the stitching but when it comes to anything technical I would go to someone who does it every day, as I said you go to ne and the place is littered with gt3, turbos not to mention gorgeous air cooled motors all lowered with cages etc. for the track.

If this is your first suspension/geo work then I can understand why you would say this. When I had my first Boxster first set up by CG I had a similar train of thought and said I want the car to feel a bit like X. They do their thing, we test drive etc. I think I have been back 3 or 4 times since that first visit and I am a bit wiser now and feel more comfortable describing what I want etc. This isn't what their first time visit or typical customer gets of course. So I would take with a pinch of salt what the recommendation is to some extent. That is not to say it is no good but if you like to mod and you like to keep experimenting then you will inevitably want to keep changing and that's when listening to others who have tried different things helps. As much as the experts are the experts they don't have the different user perspective that others may come with. I think it's quite useful to get a different flavour and different user perspective. That's why they say try it first and come back. It is easy to over egg it. That's why the default geo adds some extra camber but all round.

[Dan911]

PR36 said:

J-P said:

PR36 said:

So if anyone should wonder what it would be like to change the geo on their car. Today i got my 987.1 S back with RSS lower control arms and toe steer kit with locking plates to add to my pss9 and h and r arb. I have gone from stock geo to running 2 degree camber on rear, 1.5 degree on front and toe .03 front and .07 rear. Holy moly what a difference! i cant pretend to be able to explain the difference in terms of understeer/oversteer and all the technical jargon but i can say for sure the steering response and the degree to which the car wants to turn is transformed. Highly recommend having a drive in a car thats been properly set up, its night and day, definitely recommended.

Sounds great, glad you're pleased with it. Out of interest, who did your geo?

Nine excellence

Im about 10 mins from them.. Might pop in.

[PR36]

edc said:

PR36 said:

I would go down and have a chat with ken and the boys down there and they will explain the benefits of the bits. They are a top bunch of guys and I trust them to work on my car. No offence to anyone here, this would be my first port of call if I needed advice on wheel colours or whether my seat belt colour clashed with the stitching but when it comes to anything technical I would go to someone who does it every day, as I said you go to ne and the place is littered with gt3, turbos not to mention gorgeous air cooled motors all lowered with cages etc. for the track.

If this is your first suspension/geo work then I can understand why you would say this. When I had my first Boxster first set up by CG I had a similar train of thought and said I want the car to feel a bit like X. They do their thing, we test drive etc. I think I have been back 3 or 4 times since that first visit and I am a bit wiser now and feel more comfortable describing what I want etc. This isn't what their first time visit or typical customer gets of course. So I would take with a pinch of salt what the recommendation is to some extent. That is not to say it is no good but if you like to mod and you like to keep experimenting then you will inevitably want to keep changing and that's when listening to others who have tried different things helps. As much as the experts are the experts they don't have the different user perspective that others may come with. I think it's quite useful to get a different flavour and different user perspective. That's why they say try it first and come back. It is easy to over egg it. That's why the default geo adds some extra camber but all round.

I think the problem is when you go on the net and ask different people what is the 'best' setting for any particular application (i now only use my car on the road) you will get 20 different people telling you conflicting things. I have a lot of experience racing bikes and know that one set up that feels great for one rider can be awful for another and so it seems the same applies to cars, there is no one size fits all. If like me you don't have enough knowledge to know what is right or wrong the best option is to go to someone you can trust. The guys at ne have taken my car out for a drive and given me a base setting. It is completely transformed from what i had before and yet it feels stable, turns on a sixpence and doesn't wander all over the shop on the motorway. If you or mrd want to say it could be better what happens if i try your settings and don't like it, its not like i can adjust this myself in half an hour and i don't live near to ne, it is a 3 hour round trip!

[edc]

PR36 said:

I think the problem is when you go on the net and ask different people what is the 'best' setting for any particular application (i now only use my car on the road) you will get 20 different people telling you conflicting things. I have a lot of experience racing bikes and know that one set up that feels great for one rider can be awful for another and so it seems the same applies to cars, there is no one size fits all. If like me you don't have enough knowledge to know what is right or wrong the best option is to go to someone you can trust. The guys at ne have taken my car out for a drive and given me a base setting. It is completely transformed from what i had before and yet it feels stable, turns on a sixpence and doesn't wander all over the shop on the motorway. If you or mrd want to say it could be better what happens if i try your settings and don't like it, its not like i can adjust this myself in half an hour and i don't live near to ne, it is a 3 hour round trip!

If you don't mind me saying, I think your questioning approach leads to the type of response you describe. I went to CG the first time and started the conversation with statements like I like X and want more of Y. They take you out and check your driving style, watch your throttle input, steering input etc. If one doesn't know what they are trying to achieve or traits they want to reduce or increase then the whole geo exercise beyond a standard set up is a bit fruitless anyway. I only use my car on the road too and probably 85% just for fun.

[PorscheGT4]

PR36 said:

I think the problem is when you go on the net and ask different people what is the 'best' setting for any particular application (i now only use my car on the road) you will get 20 different people telling you conflicting things. I have a lot of experience racing bikes and know that one set up that feels great for one rider can be awful for another and so it seems the same applies to cars, there is no one size fits all. If like me you don't have enough knowledge to know what is right or wrong the best option is to go to someone you can trust. The guys at ne have taken my car out for a drive and given me a base setting. It is completely transformed from what i had before and yet it feels stable, turns on a sixpence and doesn't wander all over the shop on the motorway. If you or mrd want to say it could be better what happens if i try your settings and don't like it, its not like i can adjust this myself in half an hour and i don't live near to ne, it is a 3 hour round trip!

the setting will feel good until you run out of grip, then the car will still under steer (too much) imo.

The issue I have is IF NE sold and fitted the RSS arms then set it up, because none of that was needed if they only planned to give you -1.5 front camber, and if you also stated it's a road car 100% then they could have set you up for £200 with no parts on the same settings, which are great safe road settings. (enough for most people imo)

I run my R about that but it cost me £0 on parts and £125 for the geo !

the good thing about RSS arms is YOU can just drop a shim in and go for more camber, this does move the toe in though, a good shop would have supplied more shims and showed you what happed if you add them.

I have a 6mm extra Shim for track use, I know to move the toe 3 turns each side and the parts are marked so every thing lines up.

I have a fast road and a track set up marked in 2 colours and just 1 shim change, my car was fully geo with and with out the extra shim to give me 2 set ups.

So yes your car will feel great over oem, as I said I run about that set up my self on one car, but it cost nothing !

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Sunday 5th July 21:56

[Sarnie]

Sarnie said:

Cheeeeeeap R;

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

I'd expect a dealer to be snapping that up and it reappearing in a few weeks..............

Aaaaaaaaaaaand it's gone already.........seems PDK's do sell

[J-P]

PorscheGT4 said:

PR36 said:

I think the problem is when you go on the net and ask different people what is the 'best' setting for any particular application (i now only use my car on the road) you will get 20 different people telling you conflicting things. I have a lot of experience racing bikes and know that one set up that feels great for one rider can be awful for another and so it seems the same applies to cars, there is no one size fits all. If like me you don't have enough knowledge to know what is right or wrong the best option is to go to someone you can trust. The guys at ne have taken my car out for a drive and given me a base setting. It is completely transformed from what i had before and yet it feels stable, turns on a sixpence and doesn't wander all over the shop on the motorway. If you or mrd want to say it could be better what happens if i try your settings and don't like it, its not like i can adjust this myself in half an hour and i don't live near to ne, it is a 3 hour round trip!

the setting will feel good until you run out of grip, then the car will still under steer (too much) imo.

The issue I have is IF NE sold and fitted the RSS arms then set it up, because none of that was needed if they only planned to give you -1.5 front camber, and if you also stated it's a road car 100% then they could have set you up for £200 with no parts on the same settings, which are great safe road settings. (enough for most people imo)

I run my R about that but it cost be £0 on parts and £125 for the geo !

the good thing about RSS arms is YOU can just drop a shim in and go for more camber, this does move the toe in though, a good shop would have supplied more shims and showed you what happed if you add them.

I have a 6mm extra Shim for track use, I know to move the toe 3 turns each side and the parts are marked so every thing lines up.

I have a fast road and a track set up marked in 2 colours and just 1 shim change, my car was fully geo with and with out the extra shim to give me 2 set ups.

So yes your car will feel great over oem, as I said I run about that set up my self on one car, but it cost nothing !

Agree with this but NE are also likely to have adjusted the rake with PR's set-up. They suggested that they would do this for me when I spoke to them about what I wanted. Don't think you can adjust the rake without something like the RSS mod. This would probably make quite a big difference but everybody seems to focus on solely the camber settings.

[PorscheGT4]

I doubt it, no one has ever talked about the rake until I posted it last week.
I would say NE did not mention it , it's not adjustable, it a side effect from pulling the wheel out at the bottom.

[J-P]

PorscheGT4 said:

I doubt it, no one has ever talked about the rake until I posted it last week.
I would say NE did not mention it , it's not adjustable, it a side effect from pulling the wheel out at the bottom.

When I spoke to them last month, they said that would adjust the rake for me, no prompting by me either, so it's clearly something they do think about and offer.

[PR36]

ok i think I've been a numpty, i just rechecked the alignment sheet and got confused over the spec for the front camber as the degree value is in minutes which is a division of 60 isn't it not 100. So that means my front camber is actually 1.83 degrees not 1.5. Keep in mind my car has pss9 which the guys have set the ride height on, it has rake set into it so the front is lowered. The explanation of how the car is set up would probably be better coming from them, you can see i am pretty clueless

[PorscheGT4]

J-P said:

When I spoke to them last month, they said that would adjust the rake for me, no prompting by me either, so it's clearly something they do think about and offer.

odd imo, not that that effects the guy who just had his car done, he has adjustable shocks so they can do the rake anyway (with NO RSS LCA) again for zero £'s

[PorscheGT4]

PR36 said:

ok i think I've been a numpty, i just rechecked the alignment sheet and got confused over the spec for the front camber as the degree value is in minutes which is a division of 60 isn't it not 100. So that means my front camber is actually 1.83 degrees not 1.5. Keep in mind my car has pss9 which the guys have set the ride height on, it has rake set into it so the front is lowered. The explanation of how the car is set up would probably be better coming from them, you can see i am pretty clueless

My post was right above then, adjusted rake on shocks ;-)

-1.83 :-) about spot on for road lol every one happy.

GOOD TIMES :-)