Cayman R - owners/buyers/mods
Discussion
fridaypassion said:
The R is a cracking car for sub 40k but its not a 45k proposition...
A car is only worth what the market is willing to stand and has no actual bearing on whether a car is worth more or less than an arbitrary amount in somebody's view.You say an R is not a £45k proposition. Why not? I paid more than that for mine and it's very low mileage. Turning an S into an R would be a very expensive proposition and not everybody wants to mod. And what car can you get from other manufacturers at that price point with a similar spec? There's not much. Put it another way. Is a 964RS a £150-£200k proposition? It clearly is as the market will stand that price.
Well you are painted into the corner of defending your corner having spent the cash. The guys that put the real money up when they were new. What did they spend it on? just about 50/50 Manual Vs PDK.
Dealers are speculating on the manuals and they are overpriced. Thats my professional opinion and I think if you spend more than about 40-42k on one you are buying a good car but you could have waited and got it cheaper.
So 45k You'd just get an Exige V6? Depends what you want. I could have bought a V6 but as previously mentioned my car is simply for wafting about in which it does perfectly. If I did more track days and it was my "sporty" car The Cayman is inherently too big and heavy for me to be doing trackdays with.
Why bother turning an S into an R? I dont sit longingly looking at pictures of Rs and thinking "what if" I just pat my 10k saving on something for me does the same job as I would never have taken an R near a track if I had bought one.
Dealers are speculating on the manuals and they are overpriced. Thats my professional opinion and I think if you spend more than about 40-42k on one you are buying a good car but you could have waited and got it cheaper.
So 45k You'd just get an Exige V6? Depends what you want. I could have bought a V6 but as previously mentioned my car is simply for wafting about in which it does perfectly. If I did more track days and it was my "sporty" car The Cayman is inherently too big and heavy for me to be doing trackdays with.
Why bother turning an S into an R? I dont sit longingly looking at pictures of Rs and thinking "what if" I just pat my 10k saving on something for me does the same job as I would never have taken an R near a track if I had bought one.
fridaypassion said:
Well you are painted into the corner of defending your corner having spent the cash. The guys that put the real money up when they were new. What did they spend it on? just about 50/50 Manual Vs PDK.
Dealers are speculating on the manuals and they are overpriced. Thats my professional opinion and I think if you spend more than about 40-42k on one you are buying a good car but you could have waited and got it cheaper.
So 45k You'd just get an Exige V6? Depends what you want. I could have bought a V6 but as previously mentioned my car is simply for wafting about in which it does perfectly. If I did more track days and it was my "sporty" car The Cayman is inherently too big and heavy for me to be doing trackdays with.
Why bother turning an S into an R? I dont sit longingly looking at pictures of Rs and thinking "what if" I just pat my 10k saving on something for me does the same job as I would never have taken an R near a track if I had bought one.
I'm not "defending my corner". I'm making a very obvious observation. That ANY car, house, bike or whatever is only worth the price that somebody (the market) is willing to pay. This price will be driven by desirability, perceived value and scarcity. The fact that you buy and sell cars is neither here nor there, many professional car buyers can and do underestimate and overestimate prices. If I have the only manual R available on the market, it stands to reason that I can price at the top end of the market value, as if you want a manual, you don't have any choice but to buy mine and as long as 2 people or more want it, then the price will be bid up. Also I don't believe that an Exige V6 is worth more than a Cayman R. I love the Exige but it's a far different proposition, the chassis is awesome but the power train is nowhere near as special.Dealers are speculating on the manuals and they are overpriced. Thats my professional opinion and I think if you spend more than about 40-42k on one you are buying a good car but you could have waited and got it cheaper.
So 45k You'd just get an Exige V6? Depends what you want. I could have bought a V6 but as previously mentioned my car is simply for wafting about in which it does perfectly. If I did more track days and it was my "sporty" car The Cayman is inherently too big and heavy for me to be doing trackdays with.
Why bother turning an S into an R? I dont sit longingly looking at pictures of Rs and thinking "what if" I just pat my 10k saving on something for me does the same job as I would never have taken an R near a track if I had bought one.
Also, I'm not saying that you should want to turn an S into an R. I'm making the observation that the R has many desirable options that would be very expensive if you wanted them in an S. If an S is all you want, then it would be stupid to spend more on an R.
fridaypassion said:
I think if you spend more than about 40-42k on one you are buying a good car but you could have waited and got it cheaper.
This is actually not correct. I've been watching the R market for exactly 12 months now.Your statement intimates prices are dropping or will do.
This time last year, there were LOTS of cars available for £35k-£40k, with a coupl of premium cars at £40k-£42k.
Right now, both those have jumped £5k. That is a fact, not opinion.
Is there even an R for sale for less than £40k at the moment?
Personally, I'm not bothered one bit what prices are doing as I'm not selling, but looking at the classifieds, prices do not seem to be dropping.
This time last year I dithered on a Peridot car with PCCB's, black spyder wheels, manual, PCM, buckets etc etc and that was £37.5k which I'm sure if sold now would be listed at significantly more....
Totally agree with everything you have said there. At the moment there are a few PDKs and not many manuals. But given the low numbers of cars and even split this situation could be reversed next year.
If the R is supposed to be an out and out track car which transmission option offers the quickest laptimes? To versions of "purest" ultimately the market says the split is 50/50 but the drivel on this thread bigging up manuals is not how it is.
Now it might be that ultimately the Manuals do attract a premium but if the dealers overprice the PDKs to the same level they are slightly more overpriced than the manuals hence the current glut on the market. If they were all 39k they would be sold tomorrow.
If the R is supposed to be an out and out track car which transmission option offers the quickest laptimes? To versions of "purest" ultimately the market says the split is 50/50 but the drivel on this thread bigging up manuals is not how it is.
Now it might be that ultimately the Manuals do attract a premium but if the dealers overprice the PDKs to the same level they are slightly more overpriced than the manuals hence the current glut on the market. If they were all 39k they would be sold tomorrow.
fridaypassion said:
Totally agree with everything you have said there. At the moment there are a few PDKs and not many manuals. But given the low numbers of cars and even split this situation could be reversed next year.
If the R is supposed to be an out and out track car which transmission option offers the quickest laptimes? To versions of "purest" ultimately the market says the split is 50/50 but the drivel on this thread bigging up manuals is not how it is.
Now it might be that ultimately the Manuals do attract a premium but if the dealers overprice the PDKs to the same level they are slightly more overpriced than the manuals hence the current glut on the market. If they were all 39k they would be sold tomorrow.
The R is a road car, a radical is a track car !If the R is supposed to be an out and out track car which transmission option offers the quickest laptimes? To versions of "purest" ultimately the market says the split is 50/50 but the drivel on this thread bigging up manuals is not how it is.
Now it might be that ultimately the Manuals do attract a premium but if the dealers overprice the PDKs to the same level they are slightly more overpriced than the manuals hence the current glut on the market. If they were all 39k they would be sold tomorrow.
you wanted an R but bought an S because you did not want to pay for an R.
you state you would have taken a punt on the Red car but it's missing main items !!
Spec is king, PDK vs manual is not worth talking about, you can only go buy OPC sales and what sells and what is NOT selling.
fridaypassion said:
Totally agree with everything you have said there. At the moment there are a few PDKs and not many manuals. But given the low numbers of cars and even split this situation could be reversed next year.
If the R is supposed to be an out and out track car which transmission option offers the quickest laptimes? To versions of "purest" ultimately the market says the split is 50/50 but the drivel on this thread bigging up manuals is not how it is.
Now it might be that ultimately the Manuals do attract a premium but if the dealers overprice the PDKs to the same level they are slightly more overpriced than the manuals hence the current glut on the market. If they were all 39k they would be sold tomorrow.
Oh god - yes lots of people talk crap on PH, this is nothing new. And it's absolutely clear that when new, the market was split on the manual /PDK. My personal view is that long-term, manuals will be more valuable. Why? Because less and less manufacturers wish to stand behind manuals, so the experience will become rarer. Also, over the longer term the market seems to favour purist spec, which is why GT3 club sports tend to hold greater value than comfort spec cars. But I accept I could be completely wrong. Anyway, I couldn't really care less about prices, I don't intend to sell my R any time soon!If the R is supposed to be an out and out track car which transmission option offers the quickest laptimes? To versions of "purest" ultimately the market says the split is 50/50 but the drivel on this thread bigging up manuals is not how it is.
Now it might be that ultimately the Manuals do attract a premium but if the dealers overprice the PDKs to the same level they are slightly more overpriced than the manuals hence the current glut on the market. If they were all 39k they would be sold tomorrow.
PorscheGT4 said:
The R is a road car, a radical is a track car !
you wanted an R but bought an S because you did not want to pay for an R.
you state you would have taken a punt on the Red car but it's missing main items !!
Spec is king, PDK vs manual is not worth talking about, you can only go buy OPC sales and what sells and what is NOT selling.
Pricing issue though innit thats all. you wanted an R but bought an S because you did not want to pay for an R.
you state you would have taken a punt on the Red car but it's missing main items !!
Spec is king, PDK vs manual is not worth talking about, you can only go buy OPC sales and what sells and what is NOT selling.
I would have paid for an R if the price was right. If I want to swap mine I'll do it no biggie. The red one was worth 38k to me (might not have passed inspection going on the reports from people that have seen it) The green one on Autotrader at 37k would have been here if I'd written the phone number down before the ad dropped off. Its only down to BubblesNW I got what I did as I wouldnt have bought a none LSD equipped car.
I'm not really arsed I'm not a Porsche fanboy I can just offer probably the only properly unbiased view on the thread as I'm not painted into a corner to defend. I'll keep mine for a bit, sell it, get something else that takes my fancy. As it happens its such a good car that the "bit" could well end up a good while its a very capable car and I dont have any time for crap/overrated cars no matter what the badge.
for me its just a bit of a change. I have an Exige S 240 in stock at the moment thats a far superior track car and more focused Road car than the Cayman but its a busmans holiday for me to actually own one for myself. You'll know the Exiges they are the ones that come flying past the Cayman Rs on the track
fridaypassion said:
PorscheGT4 said:
The R is a road car, a radical is a track car !
you wanted an R but bought an S because you did not want to pay for an R.
you state you would have taken a punt on the Red car but it's missing main items !!
Spec is king, PDK vs manual is not worth talking about, you can only go buy OPC sales and what sells and what is NOT selling.
Pricing issue though innit thats all. you wanted an R but bought an S because you did not want to pay for an R.
you state you would have taken a punt on the Red car but it's missing main items !!
Spec is king, PDK vs manual is not worth talking about, you can only go buy OPC sales and what sells and what is NOT selling.
I would have paid for an R if the price was right. If I want to swap mine I'll do it no biggie. The red one was worth 38k to me (might not have passed inspection going on the reports from people that have seen it) The green one on Autotrader at 37k would have been here if I'd written the phone number down before the ad dropped off. Its only down to BubblesNW I got what I did as I wouldnt have bought a none LSD equipped car.
I'm not really arsed I'm not a Porsche fanboy I can just offer probably the only properly unbiased view on the thread as I'm not painted into a corner to defend. I'll keep mine for a bit, sell it, get something else that takes my fancy. As it happens its such a good car that the "bit" could well end up a good while its a very capable car and I dont have any time for crap/overrated cars no matter what the badge.
for me its just a bit of a change. I have an Exige S 240 in stock at the moment thats a far superior track car and more focused Road car than the Cayman but its a busmans holiday for me to actually own one for myself. You'll know the Exiges they are the ones that come flying past the Cayman Rs on the track
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cO8q_SyCZ2U
PorscheGT4 said:
well it is laughable :-)
A Lotus trader talking b
ks more than I talk bks lol and then states ""Thats my professional opinion " when he seems to not know anything about the mark.
now just seems sour because he wanted an R but bought an S !
Not enough crap to get banned yet though A Lotus trader talking b
ks more than I talk bks lol and then states ""Thats my professional opinion " when he seems to not know anything about the mark.now just seems sour because he wanted an R but bought an S !
See other posts re my choice. If I want an R I'll just buy one. Doesnt matter to me S/R whatever. Meh.
fridaypassion said:
Thats a toll road not a track Exige is coasting there!
I'm only joshing. Just sticking one in for my Seloc Bros
As I say I'm not arsed. Might end up with an R at some point but would fancy something different again in between. Both great cars.
Agree, he's actually quicker than me though! But I love the feedback from his car on track, it's an awesome bit of kit. I find the cars quite evenly matched in general. Exige is coasting there! I'm only joshing. Just sticking one in for my Seloc Bros
As I say I'm not arsed. Might end up with an R at some point but would fancy something different again in between. Both great cars.
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