Any converts from Manual to pdk here?
Discussion
I prefer manuals to autos due to how clunky all autos are around town driving. The delay they have when pulling away....seems an all or nothing delivery...drives me crazy. Had a Audi TT dsg for two years 80K and preferred driving my Ford Transit Van!
That said...PDK is very very good and sooooo much better than the god awful tiptronic system it replaced.
That said...PDK is very very good and sooooo much better than the god awful tiptronic system it replaced.
I have a 2 hours test drive in a PDK Cayman S booked in two weeks time. I plan to drive the same route with my manual Evora on the same day, .it will be interesting to compare the cars. I need to replace the Evora, ideally with another one but if I want new the then I need finance and there just aren't the deals that abound for the Cayman
why do people who love PDK still state, they cannot plan or steer or brake a car !
seems to all point back to being a crap driver if one cannot do these things to a high level in a manual !
not my worlds, just pointing out what is said time and time again why PDK is more fun or better by the owners !
people don't say, I find PDK more engaging and interacting , they just state, "I can now steer better"
lol I despair but then that's why PDK sales are high, it's a shame when your mum can drive just as fast as you.
but then again, GTR sold well, and now people love GT3's now they do every thing and we seem to have a new client base of owners in those, and those do steer for you now !
seems to all point back to being a crap driver if one cannot do these things to a high level in a manual !
not my worlds, just pointing out what is said time and time again why PDK is more fun or better by the owners !
people don't say, I find PDK more engaging and interacting , they just state, "I can now steer better"
lol I despair but then that's why PDK sales are high, it's a shame when your mum can drive just as fast as you.
but then again, GTR sold well, and now people love GT3's now they do every thing and we seem to have a new client base of owners in those, and those do steer for you now !
PorscheGT4 said:
Why do people who love PDK still state, they cannot plan or steer or brake a car !
seems to all point back to being a crap driver if one cannot do these things to a high level in a manual !
not my worlds, just pointing out what is said time and time again why PDK is more fun or better by the owners !
people don't say, I find PDK more engaging and interacting , they just state, "I can now steer better"
lol I despair but then that's why PDK sales are high, it's a shame when your mum can drive just as fast as you.
but then again, GTR sold well, and now people love GT3's now they do every thing and we seem to have a new client base of owners in those, and those do steer for you now !
They don't!seems to all point back to being a crap driver if one cannot do these things to a high level in a manual !
not my worlds, just pointing out what is said time and time again why PDK is more fun or better by the owners !
people don't say, I find PDK more engaging and interacting , they just state, "I can now steer better"
lol I despair but then that's why PDK sales are high, it's a shame when your mum can drive just as fast as you.
but then again, GTR sold well, and now people love GT3's now they do every thing and we seem to have a new client base of owners in those, and those do steer for you now !
Why do those who dislike PDK feel the need to misrepresent the position of those who do enjoy PDK as if by doing so they strengthen their own argument....?
Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 29th April 10:01
Report back on that test drive BlueG 
Was wondering myself if I can get a test drive of a PDK via a local OPC. After all I am a potential future customer to Porsches newer range of cars by them trying to convince an oldschool manual driver to convert to the witchcraft of PDK ;-)
Did hear in a review yesterday that a PDK box adds 55kg to a Cayman R...not a plus point! Is it true?
Was wondering myself if I can get a test drive of a PDK via a local OPC. After all I am a potential future customer to Porsches newer range of cars by them trying to convince an oldschool manual driver to convert to the witchcraft of PDK ;-)
Did hear in a review yesterday that a PDK box adds 55kg to a Cayman R...not a plus point! Is it true?
If only proper drivers want manual transmissions I wonder why it is the latest Porsche GT3, the entire Ferrari range, Lamborghini, Bugatti etc etc are now all entirely double clutch transmission? Because they are only bought by inferior drivers?
Those of us who prefer such 'boxes are not worse drivers than those who prefer manuals. To try and infer such smacks of a lost debate.
Those of us who prefer such 'boxes are not worse drivers than those who prefer manuals. To try and infer such smacks of a lost debate.
Most of the reasons for lots of powerful cars being auto-only have nothing to do with customer demand:
(1) [This one is an exception] You wouldn't sell many manual cars anyway, so there isn't much money in offering a choice.
(2) Lots of torque places a lot of strain on the transmission, and lots of "off the shelf" auto boxes are able to (a) handle a lot of twist and (b) work with the ECU to protect components from excessive wear (unlike letting some t
t operate the clutch and gears).
(3) Auto boxes have lots of ratios, which helps make up for a low red line and, more importantly, improves acceleration figures and official cycle mpg and CO2 figures.
(4) An auto box makes it unnecessary to worry about putting together a good manual clutch, getting throttle settings perfect, etc - you just give the idiot driver a "Sport" button to press and he think "Wow, its so responsive!" (which is just the result of the box staying in 2nd gear).
(5) An auto box gives you "stamp and go" launch control for 0-60 times. These sell cars, notwithstanding that most cars will not survive this function actually being used.
(6) An auto box is expensive. It helps add to the price!
(1) [This one is an exception] You wouldn't sell many manual cars anyway, so there isn't much money in offering a choice.
(2) Lots of torque places a lot of strain on the transmission, and lots of "off the shelf" auto boxes are able to (a) handle a lot of twist and (b) work with the ECU to protect components from excessive wear (unlike letting some t
t operate the clutch and gears).(3) Auto boxes have lots of ratios, which helps make up for a low red line and, more importantly, improves acceleration figures and official cycle mpg and CO2 figures.
(4) An auto box makes it unnecessary to worry about putting together a good manual clutch, getting throttle settings perfect, etc - you just give the idiot driver a "Sport" button to press and he think "Wow, its so responsive!" (which is just the result of the box staying in 2nd gear).
(5) An auto box gives you "stamp and go" launch control for 0-60 times. These sell cars, notwithstanding that most cars will not survive this function actually being used.
(6) An auto box is expensive. It helps add to the price!
anonymous said:
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I'm afraid that does smack of elitism. I put a lot of concentration and effort into making smooth quiet gearchanges on my (very) old bmw motorcycle (trust me it's every bit as hard as heel and toe), It gave me considerable pleasure in doing so. I didn't consider myself superior to all those riders of Japanese bikes who didn't have to do that and nor did I look back fondly when I moved to Jap bikes myself.This heel and toe, manual gearbox thing is about nostalgia more than anything else.
And how Mr D can go on about and contemplate buying a 458 I really don't know.
MJ911 said:
Report back on that test drive BlueG
Was wondering myself if I can get a test drive of a PDK via a local OPC. After all I am a potential future customer to Porsches newer range of cars by them trying to convince an oldschool manual driver to convert to the witchcraft of PDK ;-)
Did hear in a review yesterday that a PDK box adds 55kg to a Cayman R...not a plus point! Is it true?
I have the brochure at home (a very nice hard back thing), I skim read it last night and the weight difference jumped out, 55kg does ring a bell. The salesman said don't bother with a PDK 2.7.Was wondering myself if I can get a test drive of a PDK via a local OPC. After all I am a potential future customer to Porsches newer range of cars by them trying to convince an oldschool manual driver to convert to the witchcraft of PDK ;-)
Did hear in a review yesterday that a PDK box adds 55kg to a Cayman R...not a plus point! Is it true?
ORD said:
Most of the reasons for lots of powerful cars being auto-only have nothing to do with customer demand:
(1) [This one is an exception] You wouldn't sell many manual cars anyway, so there isn't much money in offering a choice.
(2) Lots of torque places a lot of strain on the transmission, and lots of "off the shelf" auto boxes are able to (a) handle a lot of twist and (b) work with the ECU to protect components from excessive wear (unlike letting some tt operate the clutch and gears).
(3) Auto boxes have lots of ratios, which helps make up for a low red line and, more importantly, improves acceleration figures and official cycle mpg and CO2 figures.
(4) An auto box makes it unnecessary to worry about putting together a good manual clutch, getting throttle settings perfect, etc - you just give the idiot driver a "Sport" button to press and he think "Wow, its so responsive!" (which is just the result of the box staying in 2nd gear).
(5) An auto box gives you "stamp and go" launch control for 0-60 times. These sell cars, notwithstanding that most cars will not survive this function actually being used.
(6) An auto box is expensive. It helps add to the price!
None of which applies to the 991 GT3...(1) [This one is an exception] You wouldn't sell many manual cars anyway, so there isn't much money in offering a choice.
(2) Lots of torque places a lot of strain on the transmission, and lots of "off the shelf" auto boxes are able to (a) handle a lot of twist and (b) work with the ECU to protect components from excessive wear (unlike letting some t
t operate the clutch and gears).(3) Auto boxes have lots of ratios, which helps make up for a low red line and, more importantly, improves acceleration figures and official cycle mpg and CO2 figures.
(4) An auto box makes it unnecessary to worry about putting together a good manual clutch, getting throttle settings perfect, etc - you just give the idiot driver a "Sport" button to press and he think "Wow, its so responsive!" (which is just the result of the box staying in 2nd gear).
(5) An auto box gives you "stamp and go" launch control for 0-60 times. These sell cars, notwithstanding that most cars will not survive this function actually being used.
(6) An auto box is expensive. It helps add to the price!
ORD said:
Shoot me for saying it, but I think a major consideration was that a manual would be a lot slower.
While I've no doubt that was a consideration, I'm sure the main one is that the majority of buyers (for whatever reason) choose pdk over manual, so it reduces cost to only produce the one most will buy. Even on this forum - which probably represent the purist end of the spectrum - I'm sure if we take a poll more than half will be pdk.
The bottom line for me is that if you want a pure driving experience uncorrupted by automatic gearboxes, power steering, servo and abs brakes, stability controls, vast (relatively) weight, get a Mono, Caterham, Atom, Radical - a Porsche is a huge compromise - which we have all made. Which bit of the compromise irks us the most (if any) is a personal thing and not one which can be right or wrong.
dreamcar said:
PorscheGT4 said:
people don't say, I find PDK more engaging and interacting!
I find PDK more engaging and interacting.I really don't see why a manual is any more involving just because you have to depress a pedal to change gear.
I think a PDK is the rigjt thing for you.
There is an art to driving a manual smoothly and well. A perfectly executed defies of downshifts in s manual is Beth rewarding.
blueg33 said:
Rev matching? Heel and toe?
I think a PDK is the rigjt thing for you.
There is an art to driving a manual smoothly and well. A perfectly executed defies of downshifts in s manual is Beth rewarding.
Believe it or not I have owned manual sports cars.... 2 x Porsches, Honda S2000, etc etc. I first went to PDK, unconvinced, as I wanted a car that SWMBO could drive ( she prefers autos simply because being short of leg she struggles to fully depress a clutch pedal in most cars), so from a Boxster S 987/1 3.4 with manual transmission, including the superb factory fitted short shift linkage to a 987/2 Cayman S PDK. After the diabolically awful tiptronic Porsche's PDK was a revelation and I loved it. We are now on our third PDK equipped car, a Boxster GTS, and the latest PDK is much much better than the first generation, both faster and smoother. The seventh gear is also a major benefit, as the first six gears are closer spaced than the ratios in the manual gearboxes. I think a PDK is the rigjt thing for you.
There is an art to driving a manual smoothly and well. A perfectly executed defies of downshifts in s manual is Beth rewarding.
Just as manual may be right for you PDK is right for me, it doesn't make you a better driver because you happen to prefer manual.
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