Any converts from Manual to pdk here?
Discussion
dreamcar said:
blueg33 said:
Rev matching? Heel and toe?
I think a PDK is the rigjt thing for you.
There is an art to driving a manual smoothly and well. A perfectly executed defies of downshifts in s manual is Beth rewarding.
Believe it or not I have owned manual sports cars.... 2 x Porsches, Honda S2000, etc etc. I first went to PDK, unconvinced, as I wanted a car that SWMBO could drive ( she prefers autos simply because being short of leg she struggles to fully depress a clutch pedal in most cars), so from a Boxster S 987/1 3.4 with manual transmission, including the superb factory fitted short shift linkage to a 987/2 Cayman S PDK. After the diabolically awful tiptronic Porsche's PDK was a revelation and I loved it. We are now on our third PDK equipped car, a Boxster GTS, and the latest PDK is much much better than the first generation, both faster and smoother. The seventh gear is also a major benefit, as the first six gears are closer spaced than the ratios in the manual gearboxes. I think a PDK is the rigjt thing for you.
There is an art to driving a manual smoothly and well. A perfectly executed defies of downshifts in s manual is Beth rewarding.
Just as manual may be right for you PDK is right for me, it doesn't make you a better driver because you happen to prefer manual.
There are plenty of times when I wish the Evora was an auto and then plenty of times when I am glad it isn't. But the Mrs wont drive it, she would rather drive an auto and that is one of the reasons for my Cayman PDK test in a couple of weeks.
blueg33 said:
But the Mrs wont drive it, she would rather drive an auto and that is one of the reasons for my Cayman PDK test in a couple of weeks.
Sounds like exactly the path I trod which led me to PDK! Ironically, we chose the Cayman S PDK in an attempt to drop from three cars to two, it didn't work, SWMBO hated the Cayman and found it a real ordeal to drive, ( made the mistake of believing that a Porsche salesman knew what he was talking about and badly misled us on the specification we chose) so having sold the Boxster, and her shopping trolley to go to the Cayman, we ended up getting her another shopping trolley and shortly afterwards part exchanged the Cayman for. Carrera S PDK. So we are now back to three cars, I drive a Skoda Octavia as my work car, SWMBO has her shopping trolley and we have the Boxster GTS as our sunny day and fun car. Edited by dreamcar on Wednesday 29th April 20:12
PorscheGT4 said:
why do people who love PDK still state, they cannot plan or steer or brake a car !
seems to all point back to being a crap driver if one cannot do these things to a high level in a manual !
not my worlds, just pointing out what is said time and time again why PDK is more fun or better by the owners !
people don't say, I find PDK more engaging and interacting , they just state, "I can now steer better"
lol I despair but then that's why PDK sales are high, it's a shame when your mum can drive just as fast as you.
but then again, GTR sold well, and now people love GT3's now they do every thing and we seem to have a new client base of owners in those, and those do steer for you now !
Just remind me what your ultimate dream car is?? You know...the one you think gives the driving experience by involvement.seems to all point back to being a crap driver if one cannot do these things to a high level in a manual !
not my worlds, just pointing out what is said time and time again why PDK is more fun or better by the owners !
people don't say, I find PDK more engaging and interacting , they just state, "I can now steer better"
lol I despair but then that's why PDK sales are high, it's a shame when your mum can drive just as fast as you.
but then again, GTR sold well, and now people love GT3's now they do every thing and we seem to have a new client base of owners in those, and those do steer for you now !
Oh yes I remember now....the 458 Italia....the AUTO box of which is widely regarded as inferior to the PDK S.........
dreamcar said:
SkinnyPete said:
If thats all you think you do then it explains a lot.
Is that a cheap insult because I don't happen to agree with your views on the subject? Enlighten us.
mollytherocker said:
Why dont you explain to us all what else a manual gearbox brings on top of 'pressing a clutch'? Your comment leads the reader to conclude that you have no idea.
Enlighten us.
I'm getting a tad fed up with the interrogation from the pro-manual brigade here. Believe it or not I understand why people prefer manual, I wish they would accept why the benefits of PDK lead some - me included - to prefer it. This does not make me a worse, less experienced or less competent driver.Enlighten us.
blueg33 said:
dreamcar said:
PorscheGT4 said:
people don't say, I find PDK more engaging and interacting!
I find PDK more engaging and interacting.I really don't see why a manual is any more involving just because you have to depress a pedal to change gear.
I think a PDK is the rigjt thing for you.
There is an art to driving a manual smoothly and well. A perfectly executed defies of downshifts in s manual is Beth rewarding.
dreamcar said:
mollytherocker said:
Why dont you explain to us all what else a manual gearbox brings on top of 'pressing a clutch'? Your comment leads the reader to conclude that you have no idea.
Enlighten us.
I'm getting a tad fed up with the interrogation from the pro-manual brigade here. Believe it or not I understand why people prefer manual, I wish they would accept why the benefits of ODK lead some - me included - to prefer it. This does not make me a worse, less experienced or less competent driver.Enlighten us.
Why do I prefer a manual box? Why not have a stab?
Depends where and how you drive the car. For commuting in a busy city/driving as fast as you can on track then PDK is very good. I only drive my car for fun so a manual was the only option for me. I was given a 991S PDK for a couple of days and it was fun for the first few hours but afterwards I just left it to do its own thing as I found it boring.
Horses for courses and all that.
Horses for courses and all that.
pete.g said:
blueg33 said:
dreamcar said:
PorscheGT4 said:
people don't say, I find PDK more engaging and interacting!
I find PDK more engaging and interacting.I really don't see why a manual is any more involving just because you have to depress a pedal to change gear.
I think a PDK is the rigjt thing for you.
There is an art to driving a manual smoothly and well. A perfectly executed defies of downshifts in s manual is Beth rewarding.
mollytherocker said:
I will guess why you prefer PDK. Its faster, easier to use, more efficient, requires less effort, its better in traffic and 'your wife cn drive it'. Correct?
Why do I prefer a manual box? Why not have a stab?
You are correct - having been a die hard manual gearbox enthusiast that would never have considered an auto 'box of any description in a sports car having purchased and lived with a PDK car ( now have my third) I became converted.Why do I prefer a manual box? Why not have a stab?
I can't read your mind so I'll leave it to you to explain. But as has been said on this thread umpteen times there is no right or wrong as it is purely personal preference. I won't however accuse you of being a fully paid up member of the Flat Earth Society for refusing to accept modern technology.....
Edited by dreamcar on Thursday 30th April 11:12
dreamcar said:
I'm getting a tad fed up with the interrogation from the pro-manual brigade here.
Really ? It's a public forum, it's primary objective is to provide a platform to allow individuals to air their opinions, if you don't like it, you can vote with your feet. Like many others who've come and gone before you, you won't be missed if you decide to head off elsewhere.And yes, I did read the post you directed my way yesterday (before you conveniently deleted it)
I'm glad you did, because as you clearly realised, it was littered with untruths and inaccuracies
At no point had I said "PDK js wrong, manual is right" (pot, kettle, black springs to mind
) I merely stated that my preference was for the older, more crude SMG/S'Tronic type 'boxes, rather than the later PDK/DSG/DCT items.You're new around here, yet you seem hellbent on making a reputation for yourself, just as others have in the past. Try winding your neck in a tad, it'll make the forum a more pleasant place to frequent for all
dreamcar said:
mollytherocker said:
I will guess why you prefer PDK. Its faster, easier to use, more efficient, requires less effort, its better in traffic and 'your wife cn drive it'. Correct?
Why do I prefer a manual box? Why not have a stab?
You are correct - having been a die hard manual gearbox enthusiast that would never have considered an auto 'box of any description in a sports car having purchased and lived with a PDK car ( now have my third) I became converted.Why do I prefer a manual box? Why not have a stab?
I can't read your mind so I'll leave it to you to explain. But as has been said on this thread umpteen times there is no right or wrong as it is purely personal preference. I won't however accuse you of being a fully paid up member of the Flat Earth Society for refusing to accept odern technology.....
Edited by dreamcar on Thursday 30th April 08:05
I would probably have it in a Pana Diesel doing 30k a year. I just dont want it in my 'fun car'.
Slippydiff said:
You're new around here, yet you seem hellbent on making a reputation for yourself, just as others have in the past. Try winding your neck in a tad, it'll make the forum a more pleasant place to frequent for all
Your assumptions are incorrect. What annoys me is when certain posters seem to imply that because certain individuals do not themelves want PDK - and there is nothing wrong in that - similarly there is nothing wrong with those that prefer it. Either choice does not make a car, or its driver inferior.Live and let live, and accept that not everyone likes the same things, and everyone will get on ust fine. I will not be trodden on or beaten into submission, that's for sure.
Porsche have done the right thing offering such cars as the new Spyder and GT4 (for now) as 'manuel' only. The 3.8 S Carrera engine is clearly not a screamer.....unlike the 991 GT3 which quite frankly would be totally unsuited to a 'manuel' box for the same reasons a 458 or at the extreme, an F12 would be unsuited.
So, some cars suit 'manuel'.......some don't.
So, some cars suit 'manuel'.......some don't.
Edited by av185 on Thursday 30th April 09:59
ks on here, I see - it didn't take long for the usual suspects to start throwing the insults around!av185 said:
Just remind me what your ultimate dream car is?? You know...the one you think gives the driving experience by involvement.
Oh yes I remember now....the 458 Italia....the AUTO box of which is widely regarded as inferior to the PDK S.........
it's a dream car well the speciale is , I don't own it :-) I could own one and hate it. if I did own one I would keep my Manual Spyder.Oh yes I remember now....the 458 Italia....the AUTO box of which is widely regarded as inferior to the PDK S.........
I love cars, I have petrol for blood and they rule my life (not a good thing)
nothing wrong in wanting to try a Ferrari 458.
but people giving up every thing and buying a 981 PDK and then bleeting on about now great is it is funny, esp people who say "the OH has to drive it" or "I can plan ahead now" or "I can now steer" it's like they did not really want it !!
all these quotes do make me shudder. and while a 991 GT3 is a great car if some one said 997.2 RS or 991 GT3 for free I would take the 997.2 RS.
if I had a 997.2 RS then yes a 991 GT3 makes a great daily :-)
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 30th April 10:19
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