£20k options on a 2.7 981 WTF
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anonymous said:
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I agree. I drove a 15 plate Cayman the other week. I like the interior in general much more than my 987, but the cheap plastic doorcards and dash and the manual seats really stood out. That car only had a few of the boxes ticked. On a £40k car, the plastic is cheap and pretty awful, but on a £60k one it is even worse.anonymous said:
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What's the problem. Nowhere for the pipe and slippers? 
981 is an absolutely astounding car which I suspect is going to make its way into the history books as one of the all-time great real world sportscars. The chassis is sublime, the engine loves to rev and the interior is bang up to date. Value for money is astounding if you stay sensible in the options list.
Ozzie Osmond said:
anonymous said:
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What's the problem. Nowhere for the pipe and slippers? 981 is an absolutely astounding car which I suspect is going to make its way into the history books as one of the all-time great real world sportscars. The chassis is sublime, the engine loves to rev and the interior is bang up to date. Value for money is astounding if you stay sensible in the options list.
anonymous said:
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Not sure what/if the F4 being faster has anything to do with this. Increased performance does not makes something more likely to be a classic unless its breaking boundaries that set it in a class of its own. The 981.1 will not do this. History has proven that a segue in technology is more likely to define a classic, accompanied by cars that appear timeless in their looks or have enthusiast appeal. The 981 certainly ticks these boxes and the 2.7 example we started this thread with is a good example of a beautiful car in many people’s eyes. You only have to look at the F-type. Classic written all over it. Even with its farting exhaust you don’t like. That is a certain fact imo.
As for not being allowed to think the 981.1 is a step backwards. It’s a free world have an opinion and don’t be afraid to vocalise it in the right way. Nobody can tell you how you feel. And I’m not sure why you would feel intimidated if people labelled you a Luddite. There are plenty of people how resist change until its forced on them. But eventually the market dictates not individual owner opinion.
Trotmant said:
Not sure what/if the F4 being faster has anything to do with this. Increased performance does not makes something more likely to be a classic unless its breaking boundaries that set it in a class of its own. The 981.1 will not do this.
I'd like to think that breaking boundaries in a good way was the defining criteria - but I think, far too often it's (like cars in general it must be said) more about looks, image and, especially, scarcity.Take a couple of (non-Porsche) examples. Dino 246 - Perhaps the fastest (percentage-wise) appreciating classic around. It genuinely is a boundary breaking car - Ferraris move to mid market mid engined cars. But you could say the same about the 914 Porsche - except that a 914 is only worth a tiny fraction of the value of a 246. Why? Because the 914 is ugly and 246 is anything but, and because the 246 is a rustbox there are hardly any left, so it's very rare.
E-Type vs Elan. Both were actually quite ground- breaking in different ways. So why is a Mk1 E worth about 8 times the price of an Elan (but a 2+2 or V12 far far less). Scarcity and looks again (perhaps some still believe a 3.8 or 4.2 will get even close to 150mph). And, if you've driven them, you would know that actually an Elan is dynamically in a different league, and accelerates as fast despite having less than half the capacity.
And why a car owned by Paul Newman should be worth far more an identical one owned by John Doe, or some unperforated stamps should be worth a small fortune I leave you to figure.
anonymous said:
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I was quite surprised when I saw the ad for your Cayman to discover it is has the grey interior rather than black....even more surprising to see what looks like the 'ruffled' leather option on the seats.......reminds of the interior of an old Chrysler Voyager.My 981 has no leather ....just the alcantara seats and black 'low rent' plastic dash.....which looks much nicer IMO.... !! :-)
bcr5784 said:
Trotmant said:
Not sure what/if the F4 being faster has anything to do with this. Increased performance does not makes something more likely to be a classic unless its breaking boundaries that set it in a class of its own. The 981.1 will not do this.
I'd like to think that breaking boundaries in a good way was the defining criteria - but I think, far too often it's (like cars in general it must be said) more about looks, image and, especially, scarcity.Take a couple of (non-Porsche) examples. Dino 246 - Perhaps the fastest (percentage-wise) appreciating classic around. It genuinely is a boundary breaking car - Ferraris move to mid market mid engined cars. But you could say the same about the 914 Porsche - except that a 914 is only worth a tiny fraction of the value of a 246. Why? Because the 914 is ugly and 246 is anything but, and because the 246 is a rustbox there are hardly any left, so it's very rare.
E-Type vs Elan. Both were actually quite ground- breaking in different ways. So why is a Mk1 E worth about 8 times the price of an Elan (but a 2+2 or V12 far far less). Scarcity and looks again (perhaps some still believe a 3.8 or 4.2 will get even close to 150mph). And, if you've driven them, you would know that actually an Elan is dynamically in a different league, and accelerates as fast despite having less than half the capacity.
And why a car owned by Paul Newman should be worth far more an identical one owned by John Doe, or some unperforated stamps should be worth a small fortune I leave you to figure.
anonymous said:
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Why haven't you mentioned its had an engine rebuild for bore scoring? thought this would have been a huge plus for a buyer.http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Edited by Trotmant on Tuesday 21st July 22:45
anonymous said:
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I think your reasons are sound. I think it properly says more about the prospect market that buyers are not even willing to research the risk and understand the huge upside of this. Odd. Which personally I think is crackers given £20k for most people is not a small sum of money. You think people would do their home work. For anyone reading this. Buy something thats been repaired. Otherwise you waiting for the ticking time bomb. As you know, could I wind the clock back, I would go for something exactly like yours. I didn't went for something that hadn't and £10k later you find out the former option was probably better. 
anonymous said:
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Even for £15k how much more of a risk is it to other performance cars I wonder? All I know was the MG's I used to have, their VVC's just went pop every five min. The amount of fun I had from my gen1 was priceless. Yes a bitter taste when it went pop, but luckily I had a warranty too (for the first episode). Still look back with fond memories even compared to the 981. There different animals, but both exceptional. It was one hell of a car of the money back then (<£30k). So now for half that again – YOLO I would be thinking if I was 5 years younger again.Well this was always going to happen...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Only another £10k to go...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
Only another £10k to go...
Trotmant said:
There will always be exceptions to the rule. Where inferior products become the dominant or desired. only have to look at the vhs vs betamax saga. No industry is exempt to this. But as a rule of thumb for cars i would say provided there is a step change in the technology and the looks are suited to timeless, its a got a higher chance than most. Look at lancia stratos falls apart. Still and always will be an icon because of the technology i.e. the fezza v6 and its look. Imo the 981 will be the prettiest cayman model for some time. Only have to look at the spy shots of the new 991.2 with turbos. IMO they just look awful and the cay/box will no doubt follow suite.
I expect late 987.2s to be worth at least as much as 981s once they stop depreciating heavily.The buyer that is interested in a flat 6 NA engine will also probably want hydraulic steering. Also unlikely to care about incremental improvements in chassis rigidity (pointless), etc.
ORD said:
Trotmant said:
There will always be exceptions to the rule.
I expect late 987.2s to be worth at least as much as 981s once they stop depreciating heavily.The buyer that is interested in a flat 6 NA engine will also probably want hydraulic steering. Also unlikely to care about incremental improvements in chassis rigidity (pointless), etc.
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