981 Cayman 2.7 PDK

[bcr5784]

PorscheGT4 said:

Hated the gear box, seems to take 20 seconds to get though any gear,

What on earth do you mean?

[mollytherocker]

PorscheGT4 said:

I felt the reverse and hated the car, thought it was the worse car In the range.

Hated the gear box, seems to take 20 seconds to get though any gear, felt lifeless and was a dull drive was happy to give it back.

I am no fan of PDK, but what it definitely isnt is slow!

[pete.g]

I have a 981 2.7 PDK - I'm very happy with it.

It took me a while to adjust from my 987 3.4 manual, but I do enjoy the paddle shifts and the high revving engine makes me nostalgic for the sort of motorbikes I grew up with.

I don't think having one as a loaner is long enough to form an accurate opinion.

[PorscheGT4]

bcr5784 said:

What on earth do you mean?

ok not 20 seconds lol, but board me to death, not a nice car to drive imo, just Transport with a nice badge.

[PorscheGT4]

mollytherocker said:

I am no fan of PDK, but what it definitely isnt is slow!

depends what you call slow, a £50k sports car taking 13 seconds to do the ton in my eyes is slow.

A plastic pig Elise is 11.2 to a ton, the Golf R again 11.2, the crappy BMW 123i 11.9

so yes 13 seconds to a ton for £50k is slow, it feels slow and it's slow though the gears the 213lb/ft does not seem able to pull the car though the gears, change into 2nd you can count to 10 before you need 3rd.

In fact any new Hot hatch walks all over the Porsche to a ton.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 23 July 00:04

[pete.g]

PorscheGT4 said:

bcr5784 said:

What on earth do you mean?

ok not 20 seconds lol, but board me to death, not a nice car to drive imo, just Transport with a nice badge.

Quality trolling.

Even though I'd had a very tiring and busy day, I still took mine out for a blast this evening. I was not 'board' (sic).

Maybe you're not a good enough driver to appreciate the subtle nuances of the car.

[PorscheGT4]

pete.g said:

Quality trolling.

Even though I'd had a very tiring and busy day, I still took mine out for a blast this evening. I was not 'board' (sic).

Maybe you're not a good enough driver to appreciate the subtle nuances of the car.

maybe, my driving standard are quite poor.

[truck71]

The linear power delivery coupled with too high gearing can make them feel flat, you really do have to keep them on the boil. I used 1st in lots of slow corners (pdk) to keep it lively (alps mainly) and found you can make properly rapid progress on the road. I felt the pdk suited the engine really well, you need to change gear an awful lot and quickly- something pdk is brilliant at. It will get blown away by hot hatches and big oil burners on straights- depends if that bothers you or not. I liked the fact it could be caned without getting you into serious trouble. Reminded me a bit of my e30 m3 in many ways. Get one in off the peg spec and they're an absolute bargain.

Are they soulful? Not so sure but modern cars generally aren't.

[FrankCayman]

PorscheGT4 said:

depends what you call slow, a £50k sports car taking 13 seconds to do the ton in my eyes is slow.

A plastic pig Elise is 11.2 to a ton, the Golf R again 11.2, the crappy BMW 123i 11.9

so yes 13 seconds to a ton for £50k is slow, it feels slow and it's slow though the gears the 213lb/ft does not seem able to pull the car though the gears, change into 2nd you can count to 10 before you need 3rd.

In fact any new Hot hatch walks all over the Porsche to a ton.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 23 July 00:04

It's not a £50K sports car...it's £40K, which is around the same price as a Audi/BMW rep car....

If you judge a car purchase purely on it's performance figures, that's your choice...but I would rather own a 986 Boxster 2.5 than some of the 'Hot Hatches' or super quick turbo BMW's and Audis kicking about at the moment.

What I love about the 2.7 is it takes time to learn how to drive it....just to go out in a loaner with the preconceived idea it's going to be rubbish is probably not the best way to approach any car!!

Edited by FrankCayman on Thursday 23 July 07:28

[V800MJH]

I'm a manual man, but this PDK is still awesome, certainly isn't slow.

The car doesn't feel slow to me either. Would much rather have this over any hot hatch or similarly priced car to be honest.

Every morning I leave for work, I keep looking back at it. It looks so so good.

Looking forward to taking it on a good run this weekend!

[Ozzie Osmond]

truck71 said:

too high gearing

I really think that's rubbish. With so many gears in the box and a computer to shuffle rapidly between them it makes no sense at all to say the gearing is too high. It's just one of those internet myths.

Or is there some gear in particular which was causing you concern?

[PorscheGT4]

Ozzie Osmond said:

I really think that's rubbish. With so many gears in the box and a computer to shuffle rapidly between them it makes no sense at all to say the gearing is too high. It's just one of those internet myths.

Or is there some gear in particular which was causing you concern?

some people like it some don't, I cannot stand the car, that is imo, some love it. the above posted his in his opinion, some people will have to live with others opinions lol

end of it :-p

[Mario149]

PorscheGT4 said:

depends what you call slow, a £50k sports car taking 13 seconds to do the ton in my eyes is slow.

A plastic pig Elise is 11.2 to a ton, the Golf R again 11.2, the crappy BMW 123i 11.9

so yes 13 seconds to a ton for £50k is slow, it feels slow and it's slow though the gears the 213lb/ft does not seem able to pull the car though the gears, change into 2nd you can count to 10 before you need 3rd.

In fact any new Hot hatch walks all over the Porsche to a ton.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 23 July 00:04

To be fair it's just a gearing issue - the manual is about 20% too long and PDK about 10%. There's no way I could live with a manual in 981 (GT)S, let alone the 2.7 version, without changing the final drive

[Ozzie Osmond]

PorscheGT4 said:

In fact any new Hot hatch walks all over the Porsche to a ton.

You seem far more concerned with macho statistics and pointless 0-100 times than the sublime balance of 981s mid-engined chassis. As such you are a million miles away from understanding the brilliance of the car.

[PorscheGT4]

Ozzie Osmond said:

You seem far more concerned with macho statistics and pointless 0-100 times than the sublime balance of 981s mid-engined chassis. As such you are a million miles away from understanding the brilliance of the car.

yep, if that's what you want to think, that's great ! I think it's dull as F4ck. each to their own I guess.

0-100 is just one tiny stat, My Fiesta ST3 is 1/3 of the price , a tad slower but 10 times the fun and has a great chassis, no "macho statistics " there !!!

most new cars have good chassis , it's a moot point these days.

I can see why people buy fast cars which can be a bit dull, due to the speed or slower cars which you can dance with which are great fun, but the 981 2.7 PDK is dull and slow, it's offers really nothing bar a nice car with a nice badge.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 23 July 13:13

[truck71]

Ozzie Osmond said:

truck71 said:

too high gearing

I really think that's rubbish. With so many gears in the box and a computer to shuffle rapidly between them it makes no sense at all to say the gearing is too high. It's just one of those internet myths.

Or is there some gear in particular which was causing you concern?

Not an internet myth, my experience as an owner over 24,000 miles. The PDK is slightly better than the manual in this respect but in both cases they're stacked too high for UK road use. To suggest this makes no sense is a bit inflammatory - it's a valid opinion and one that's held by more than me. Several road testers have made reference to on it on release (even the much lauded CH) as well as other owners.

[FrankCayman]

PorscheGT4 said:

My Fiesta ST3 is 1/3 of the price , a tad slower but 10 times the fun and has a great chassis

Any one of my small fleet Transit Vans is great fun to drive....and can carry large 'things' too....your opinion is of great value AND thought provoking for me too...that stupid crappy Porsche 981 with it's crappy engine, long gearing, silly electric handbrake and vague steering really isn't a patch on it.

Think I will sell the Porsche and sort out the Geo on the Transit....pop a spoiler on the back to give it more downforce....fit some bucket seats...THEN I should have the perfect vehicle.

Keep on posting your opinions, David....I think you're great entertainment.....

[pete.g]

PorscheGT4 said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

You seem far more concerned with macho statistics and pointless 0-100 times than the sublime balance of 981s mid-engined chassis. As such you are a million miles away from understanding the brilliance of the car.

yep, if that's what you want to think, that's great ! I think it's dull as F4ck. each to their own I guess.

0-100 is just one tiny stat, My Fiesta ST3 is 1/3 of the price , a tad slower but 10 times the fun and has a great chassis, no "macho statistics " there !!!

most new cars have good chassis , it's a moot point these days.

I can see why people buy fast cars which can be a bit dull, due to the speed or slower cars which you can dance with which are great fun, but the 981 2.7 PDK is dull and slow, it's offers really nothing bar a nice car with a nice badge.

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Thursday 23 July 13:13

Three times the price of a Fiesta ST2 would buy you a Cayman GTS.

Slightly more will buy a Cayman GT4, which you can have painted in a lurid colour, in case anyone doesn't notice the huge rear wing, which provides essential down-force as you heel and toe your way to Tesco, wearing your little racing boots and imagining you are Derek Bell, when in fact you are Derek Bell-End.

Just my opinion . . .

[bcr5784]

FrankCayman said:

Any one of my small fleet Transit Vans is great fun to drive....and can carry large 'things' too....your opinion is of great value AND thought provoking for me too...that stupid crappy Porsche 981 with it's crappy engine, long gearing, silly electric handbrake and vague steering really isn't a patch on it.

Think I will sell the Porsche and sort out the Geo on the Transit....pop a spoiler on the back to give it more downforce....fit some bucket seats...THEN I should have the perfect vehicle.

Keep on posting your opinions, David....I think you're great entertainment.....

While Dissing Mr D certainly has appeal, I wouldn't be inclined to do so if there was more balance in his pronouncements. I can certainly image a combination of mood and road which WOULD make an ST3 more enjoyable than a 981 - there certainly are occasions when I find my other half's Suzuki Swift Sport more enjoyable to drive than my CS. There are quite a few occasions where a Caterham would knock either into a cocked hat for enjoyment. But no car is most enjoyable for all circumstances - and a 981 is an all-rounder, jack of all trades, master of none, but with few really weak points. Is that really so boring (boaring)?

[Ozzie Osmond]

truck71 said:

Several road testers have made reference to on it on release.

European Car Of The Year 2015,

"The Passat’s win was a pretty clear one, with a majority of the 58 jurors from across Europe giving it the nod. It took 340 points. The rest of the shortlist came home like this: Citröen C4 Cactus (248), Mercedes C-class (221), Ford Mondeo (203), Nissan Qashqai (160), BMW 2-series Active Tourer (154) and Renault Twingo (124).

"The jury are all motoring journalists......."

Darn. I'd better get down to the VW dealership and trade in my underpowered, overpriced and poorly geared Boxster!