981 Cayman 2.7 PDK
Discussion
bcr5784 said:
FrankCayman said:
Any one of my small fleet Transit Vans is great fun to drive....and can carry large 'things' too....your opinion is of great value AND thought provoking for me too...that stupid crappy Porsche 981 with it's crappy engine, long gearing, silly electric handbrake and vague steering really isn't a patch on it.
Think I will sell the Porsche and sort out the Geo on the Transit....pop a spoiler on the back to give it more downforce....fit some bucket seats...THEN I should have the perfect vehicle.
Keep on posting your opinions, David....I think you're great entertainment.....
While Dissing Mr D certainly has appeal, I wouldn't be inclined to do so if there was more balance in his pronouncements. I can certainly image a combination of mood and road which WOULD make an ST3 more enjoyable than a 981 - there certainly are occasions when I find my other half's Suzuki Swift Sport more enjoyable to drive than my CS. There are quite a few occasions where a Caterham would knock either into a cocked hat for enjoyment. But no car is most enjoyable for all circumstances - and a 981 is an all-rounder, jack of all trades, master of none, but with few really weak points. Is that really so boring (boaring)?Think I will sell the Porsche and sort out the Geo on the Transit....pop a spoiler on the back to give it more downforce....fit some bucket seats...THEN I should have the perfect vehicle.
Keep on posting your opinions, David....I think you're great entertainment.....
FrankCayman said:
I do actually love driving the transit vans - they offer great fun as an alternative...I love driving all types of vehicles.. but your mate Demon said his Fiesta was 10 times more fun than the 981...full stop, in his usual blunt 'troll like' fashion....I can simply not agree with that.
He's certainly not my mate - I too have enjoyed driving Transits, motorbike and sidecars, and even Reliant 3 wheelers! My issue with Mr D is that everything is black and white, great or rubbish.
Ozzie Osmond said:
truck71 said:
Several road testers have made reference to on it on release.
European Car Of The Year 2015,"The Passat’s win was a pretty clear one, with a majority of the 58 jurors from across Europe giving it the nod. It took 340 points. The rest of the shortlist came home like this: Citröen C4 Cactus (248), Mercedes C-class (221), Ford Mondeo (203), Nissan Qashqai (160), BMW 2-series Active Tourer (154) and Renault Twingo (124).
"The jury are all motoring journalists......."
Darn. I'd better get down to the VW dealership and trade in my underpowered, overpriced and poorly geared Boxster!
Edited by truck71 on Friday 24th July 07:37
bcr5784 said:
He's certainly not my mate - I too have enjoyed driving Transits, motorbike and sidecars, and even Reliant 3 wheelers! My issue with Mr D is that everything is black and white, great or rubbish.
I said it was a nice car for transport not aimed at me. I only buy great cars at the top of there game. Exige, CSL, Noble, TTRS, GT3, M3 competition, Cayman R , Spyder, GT4, these are my past few cars, they all have something about them which invokes driver appeal if you LOVE cars, the 2.7 PDK 981 has nothing about it to drive vs any of the cars I have owned the last 10 years, and to add to that to buy a new one cost more than I paid for any of the above by some margin. (bar the GT4 of course)Sport auto the people who really test the cars as they should, always the best reviews imo said about the engine.
"The box engine of the Cayman can only counter this by means of its direct response and lust for revs. Or is it a duty to produce high rev speeds? For below 4,000 rpm there is little thrust. Generally speaking, the 2.7-litre box engine is disappointing, with restrained power output. Like last time, it remains below the factory specification in the 0 to 100 sprint – in spite of the intentionally shifting PDK dual clutch transmission"
the performance for people who think it's a fast car here in black and white ! a 14 seconds 100mph car ! I know it's NOT about straight line speed, just annoying people are saying it's a fast car on here, as we know a car does not need to be fast to be fun, but please don't say it's a fast car because it's not. I would not like to see the manual times in the real world these are the PDK ones as tested.
0-80 km/h 4.3 s
0-100 km/h 6.1 s
0-120 km/h 8.2 s
0-130 km/h 9.5 s
0-160 km/h 14 s
0-180 km/h 18 s
0-200 km/h 23.4 s
todays bench mark is the 0-200 km/h as cars are so fast today a Super car is doing that in 7.7 seconds, I thought the GT4 was a bit slow at 14.5 to 124mph lol (was expecting it to be a bit faster)
23.5 seconds ffs for a £50k sports car !!! it's pain full even if it were fun to drive it's still s
t slow lolI am used to 10 seconds 100 mph cars for my Sports cars, I have had some do it in the 8's and the R prob the slowest in the 11's, you DO really notice the drop off when you drive 14 seconds 100mph cars esp non turbo ones.
again just like the GT3 was NOT fun, the 981 2.7 was not fun either no B road is long enough to either ring the neck out on a Gt3 or get any performance out the 981. So poor as you cannot access the power in one and poor because the other had none for the good chassis but long ratio's it has.
It's a fine line finding a great car esp for UK roads hence why I have been though 50+ cars and have driven most things.
I am not sure what people are driving for fun, but it's clearly NOT what I am looking for in a car, people need to respect my opinion on the car.
I DO wonder what some one who drove my Spyder and then drove their own 981 PDK 2.7 would say to me in real life if we went for a blat back to back in both cars.
I doubt I would get the normal "you cannot drive" s
t I get on here, I might even open people eyes to what makes a car feel exciting to drive over just owning a nice car to drive to work and back.same for the other end of the scale with GT3 owners, I would love to do back to backs with these guys on B roads and see how they get the best from a GT3 on B roads and find that rewarding.
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 24th July 10:28
I've got one of these at the moment whilst mine is with the dealer.
I just wanted to say what a great car it is!
Had a lot of fun in it this weekend. It feels so solid, goes well, brakes are superb, sounds great (even without PSE), and I forgot just how awesome the PDK gearbox is.
Very very impressed.
You wouldn't actually need the S for daily road driving. This would be more than sufficient.
My good friend is so impressed with it, he's spoken to Porsche and is trying to get a deal on this exact car.
I think it's got a GTS style kit on it too?
Mean while back to the original posting its a cracking car compared to its peer group and I would love to own one
I just wanted to say what a great car it is!
Had a lot of fun in it this weekend. It feels so solid, goes well, brakes are superb, sounds great (even without PSE), and I forgot just how awesome the PDK gearbox is.
Very very impressed.
You wouldn't actually need the S for daily road driving. This would be more than sufficient.
My good friend is so impressed with it, he's spoken to Porsche and is trying to get a deal on this exact car.
I think it's got a GTS style kit on it too?
Mean while back to the original posting its a cracking car compared to its peer group and I would love to own one
PorscheGT4 said:
I doubt I would get the normal "you cannot drive" st I get on here, I might even open people eyes to what makes a car feel exciting to drive over just owning a nice car to drive to work and back.
same for the other end of the scale with GT3 owners, I would love to do back to backs with these guys on B roads and see how they get the best from a GT3 on B roads and find that rewarding.
You can't even get close to the proper GT3 experience on a UK road unless t I get on here, I might even open people eyes to what makes a car feel exciting to drive over just owning a nice car to drive to work and back.same for the other end of the scale with GT3 owners, I would love to do back to backs with these guys on B roads and see how they get the best from a GT3 on B roads and find that rewarding.
a) you're willing to take ridiculous risks with your licence
or
b) you go to great lengths to find roads in the middle of nowhere where plod is not around
....and you'd have to be a nutter in either case.
I drive mine on the road occasionally, it's fun, and I like the feel of it, but you can't use the engine in any meaningful way (gearing), so it gets frustrating after a while, but I didn't buy it for that anyway. You can only get the proper GT3 experience on track, which is fine by me. If anyone hasn't had theirs on track, they're either missing out big time, or are complete mentalists on the road.
Mario149 said:
You can't even get close to the proper GT3 experience on a UK road unless
a) you're willing to take ridiculous risks with your licence
or
b) you go to great lengths to find roads in the middle of nowhere where plod is not around
....and you'd have to be a nutter in either case.
I drive mine on the road occasionally, it's fun, and I like the feel of it, but you can't use the engine in any meaningful way (gearing), so it gets frustrating after a while, but I didn't buy it for that anyway. You can only get the proper GT3 experience on track, which is fine by me. If anyone hasn't had theirs on track, they're either missing out big time, or are complete mentalists on the road.
Have to agree there are plenty of times when driving a slow(ish) car is far less frustrating (and more fun) than driving a fast car which can feel like a caged animal for much of the time. a) you're willing to take ridiculous risks with your licence
or
b) you go to great lengths to find roads in the middle of nowhere where plod is not around
....and you'd have to be a nutter in either case.
I drive mine on the road occasionally, it's fun, and I like the feel of it, but you can't use the engine in any meaningful way (gearing), so it gets frustrating after a while, but I didn't buy it for that anyway. You can only get the proper GT3 experience on track, which is fine by me. If anyone hasn't had theirs on track, they're either missing out big time, or are complete mentalists on the road.
Mario149 said:
PorscheGT4 said:
I doubt I would get the normal "you cannot drive" st I get on here, I might even open people eyes to what makes a car feel exciting to drive over just owning a nice car to drive to work and back.
same for the other end of the scale with GT3 owners, I would love to do back to backs with these guys on B roads and see how they get the best from a GT3 on B roads and find that rewarding.
You can't even get close to the proper GT3 experience on a UK road unless t I get on here, I might even open people eyes to what makes a car feel exciting to drive over just owning a nice car to drive to work and back.same for the other end of the scale with GT3 owners, I would love to do back to backs with these guys on B roads and see how they get the best from a GT3 on B roads and find that rewarding.
a) you're willing to take ridiculous risks with your licence
or
b) you go to great lengths to find roads in the middle of nowhere where plod is not around
....and you'd have to be a nutter in either case.
I drive mine on the road occasionally, it's fun, and I like the feel of it, but you can't use the engine in any meaningful way (gearing), so it gets frustrating after a while, but I didn't buy it for that anyway. You can only get the proper GT3 experience on track, which is fine by me. If anyone hasn't had theirs on track, they're either missing out big time, or are complete mentalists on the road.
Such a shame...there are lots of threads on GTS/GT4/GT3/ Spyder...but hardly any on the entry level model.
I only want one car...I've tried running two over a decade ago with a brand new e46 BMW 330ci MSport for business and a 3 year old Lotus Elise for pleasure....I didn't like having two cars...pain in the arse.
My 2.7/2.9 987's and my latest 981 offer me fantastic fuel economy, wonderful handling and a sweet engine....I drive approx. 40K a year in the car I want to be in all the time. I don't want to spend 90% of my life in a bloody Fiesta and have a Spyder in dry dock in the garage.
David, I do take on board you opinions....and fair enough, you can't understand why I would buy a brand new 2.7 c 981 for £45K when you would buy a 987 Cayman R.... but we are all different and have different needs from our cars. I am 6ft 2" and always found the 987 cabin very tight...also the weird acoustics and buffeting design flaw of the 987 Cayman cabin always annoyed me...having to put acoustic weights in the rear hatch seemed a bit of a bodge job by Porsche....I also prefer the look of the 981....in fact.... I love the look of the 981...your opinion will not change that.
Nobody in this thread is saying the 2.7 has super car performance or is the best car in the world....but there really is no need to waste any more of your time trying to convince me that I've made the wrong choice.
Please, David...don't worry yourself anymore.
FrankCayman said:
Ha ha...no probs! I shall go OT now quickly too...just to say...love the Red Roof/Blue Paint colour combo on your GTS...looks gorgeous.
Always nice to converse with a fellow man of distinguished taste..... 
FrankCayman said:
Top choice in wheel design too! (see my profile pic!).
Have you also noticed how they don't show brake dust as the matt grey on the inside of the wheel is basically perfect the right colour to hide it?!Ozzie Osmond said:
Popped into the local OPC today and they have several brand new 2.9 PDKs in there waiting for buyers. Clearly it's a package which works well for customers.
good entry level snob value ;-) although you will find they are 2.7L again showing people don't even know what engine is in the cars !I doubt anyone will adjust the oem geo so they are not the same type of driver as I am.
I also doubt the people owning them here have changed the setup of the car either, last time I asked the reply was "Porsche know best"
o hum.
PorscheGT4 said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Popped into the local OPC today and they have several brand new 2.9 PDKs in there waiting for buyers. Clearly it's a package which works well for customers.
good entry level snob value ;-) although you will find they are 2.7L again showing people don't even know what engine is in the cars !I doubt anyone will adjust the oem geo so they are not the same type of driver as I am.
I also doubt the people owning them here have changed the setup of the car either, last time I asked the reply was "Porsche know best"
o hum.
PorscheGT4 said:
I am used to 10 seconds 100 mph cars for my Sports cars, I have had some do it in the 8's and the R prob the slowest in the 11's, you DO really notice the drop off when you drive 14 seconds 100mph cars esp non turbo ones.
For goodness sake this is about bar bragging rights. Any sports bike will easily blow such "slugs" away without breaking sweat - but it is completely irrelevant!! Even on a bike (and you can use far more performance on the road on a bike than you can in a car) you can't seriously use 0-100 in 8 (which any sports bike will do) on the road for more than a tiny fraction of the time.Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 24th July 10:28
PorscheGT4 said:
good entry level snob value ;-) although you will find they are 2.7L again showing people don't even know what engine is in the cars !
I doubt anyone will adjust the oem geo so they are not the same type of driver as I am.
I also doubt the people owning them here have changed the setup of the car either, last time I asked the reply was "Porsche know best"
o hum.
Can you come back to the Spyder thread please and tell us how crap the 981 spyder will be. We've missed you. Lay off the base 2.7 for a bit please and let them enjoy it. We require our dose of abuse.I doubt anyone will adjust the oem geo so they are not the same type of driver as I am.
I also doubt the people owning them here have changed the setup of the car either, last time I asked the reply was "Porsche know best"
o hum.
The gears are obviously too long, Ozzie! Are you seriously saying that you wouldn't prefer shorter gears?
We all probably attach different amounts of significance to the issue - for example, it might just about stop me buying a manual 991, but we shall see; whereas others aren't very bothered by it. But we would all prefer more sensible ratios so that we could rev a bit higher in 3rd and 4th, right? The 2.7 could also do with shorter gears (probably just the final drive) to put the engine in the power band more of the time, because it is down on torque and so a bit lethargic at some speeds.
We all probably attach different amounts of significance to the issue - for example, it might just about stop me buying a manual 991, but we shall see; whereas others aren't very bothered by it. But we would all prefer more sensible ratios so that we could rev a bit higher in 3rd and 4th, right? The 2.7 could also do with shorter gears (probably just the final drive) to put the engine in the power band more of the time, because it is down on torque and so a bit lethargic at some speeds.
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