The £50k Cayman R

The £50k Cayman R

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mrdemon

19 posts

104 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
what's a 993 RS then at £350k

The thing is the 981 is not a drivers drive, it's a nice car, but drive an R and you feel like YOU are driving.
I would NOT swap my cars for the 981 non GT cars, nor would many owners hence the prices people pay for a better drive.
hilarious you think you can compare them. 993 rs is way more special than the run out parts bin cayman.

calling the 981 "not a drivers drive" is total rubbish mate, get your head out of your arse.

Richie200

2,011 posts

208 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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mrdemon said:
PorscheGT4 said:
what's a 993 RS then at £350k

The thing is the 981 is not a drivers drive, it's a nice car, but drive an R and you feel like YOU are driving.
I would NOT swap my cars for the 981 non GT cars, nor would many owners hence the prices people pay for a better drive.
hilarious you think you can compare them. 993 rs is way more special than the run out parts bin cayman.

calling the 981 "not a drivers drive" is total rubbish mate, get your head out of your arse.
I don't get this, are you arguing with yourself wink

V800MJH

503 posts

156 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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I WOULD NOT swap my R for a CGTS. No chance.

Unless I could sell the CGTS and buy the same spec R back, banking the difference.

Beanoir

1,327 posts

194 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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V800MJH said:
I WOULD NOT swap my R for a CGTS. No chance.

Unless I could sell the CGTS and buy the same spec R back, banking the difference.
+1

I was about to press the button on a GTS until I drove the R, pissed off my OPC mind. Had nothing to do with cost either.

If I wanted a daily car to commute a 100mile round trip in comfort then I'd consider the GTS

Sarnie

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8,025 posts

208 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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Beanoir said:
+1

I was about to press the button on a GTS until I drove the R, pissed off my OPC mind. Had nothing to do with cost either.

If I wanted a daily car to commute a 100mile round trip in comfort then I'd consider the GTS
I ordered a GTS last Autumn, spec was nearly £74k with PTS etc.

Then I had my PEC day and my OPC let me have one for a day. Lovely, lovely car but it just left me feeling a bit non-plussed. Cancelled the order and bought an R, love it!

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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Sarnie said:
Beanoir said:
+1

I was about to press the button on a GTS until I drove the R, pissed off my OPC mind. Had nothing to do with cost either.

If I wanted a daily car to commute a 100mile round trip in comfort then I'd consider the GTS
I ordered a GTS last Autumn, spec was nearly £74k with PTS etc.

Then I had my PEC day and my OPC let me have one for a day. Lovely, lovely car but it just left me feeling a bit non-plussed. Cancelled the order and bought an R, love it!
I'm sure for you that was the right move. Both have there merits in different ways. I guess the question i was posing of this thread is would you buy a £50k R with that millage assuming it was the only one left, over a brand new 981 s or gts? If your in the market for an R and there are sub £45k examples out there as you move towards £40k, in my mind its a very different comparison with buying a new car. As on the R its residuals will at least not drop like a stone in yr1 of ownership. Whilst on the 981, you are looking at finding (compared to £45k buy price of an R) another £10k to get a basic GTS or well optioned S and then another £10k in depreciation. Therefore for me I would look it as a £20k decision.

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

264 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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I think they will drop more than £10k in ownership in a GTS ! they will be 55% of list value in 3 years !

R are still 20k off list for a high spec car, they are just holding well at mid £40's.

But any one looking at the R WILL NOT buy a CGTS it's nothing like the same drive.

Any way off the drive the GT4 ;-)

Edited by PorscheGT4 on Wednesday 29th July 10:29

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
I think there will drop more than £10k in ownership in a CTS !

R are still 20k off list for a high spec car, they are just holding well at mid £40's.
yeah obviously it will be more than £10k in its life time.... did you miss I wrote 1st year. I don't think it is going to lose more than that in one year. Or certainly AT suggested otherwise currently.smash

worldwidewebs

2,313 posts

249 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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I think I should increase the price of mine readit

Still, it'll only end up costing me more when I want to buy it back next year furious

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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anonymous said:
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agree- thats I was trying to tease out, at what point the money would become a factor, even if one offered a better perceived experience to the prospective owner

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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worldwidewebs said:
I think I should increase the price of mine readit

Still, it'll only end up costing me more when I want to buy it back next year furious
Go for it type

Beanoir

1,327 posts

194 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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Trotmant said:
I guess the question i was posing of this thread is would you buy a £50k R with that millage assuming it was the only one left, over a brand new 981 s or gts?.
Thats a very hypothetical question if you don't mind me saying, ones thats likely to be an unrealistic situation to find yourself in. Cayman R were made in limited numbers granted, but not that limited...




WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Wednesday 29th July 2015
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the 981s looks much better but the R is a much more appealing drive imo - spent the day with an R and had a courtesy car 981s for 4 days.

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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anonymous said:
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Well I think the question makes perfect sense smile and don't think a £50k decision for a r or latest and greatest is as binary as you make out personally.

As for a CGTS not being a an enthusiast purchase, well I must be bucking the trend then. As I do love my cars and Porsche to that matter. For me it was the best street compromise for a good driving experience based on where I live, near London. And not being fortune enough to have a GT4 slot available at list to upgrade too. But then I would say that wouldn't I. smile

Good luck driving the GT4 tomorrow I'm very jealous and I'm sure it will be epic!! If you like it, would it be enough for you to change your mind about going back to the old skool


robj4

389 posts

156 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Beanoir said:
+1

I was about to press the button on a GTS until I drove the R, pissed off my OPC mind. Had nothing to do with cost either.

If I wanted a daily car to commute a 100mile round trip in comfort then I'd consider the GTS
That's why I never tried the R, I couldn't be arsed with the searching for a good one, all the usual BS and lies dragged out from whoever is selling. If the first and only Porker you've ever driven is a CGTS then you can reside happy in ignorant bliss and not lust after a GT3, GT4 that are unobtainable (for me) anyway. Job jobbed.

The car which is the subject of this thread would have tempted me though, what's an extra £5k for a car that hasn't, probably, been mistreated or buggered about with? Im my numbers come up on the D**k head tax this weekend I'll buy it just to prove everyone wrong about the price. (And a GT3 RS for £295k).

PR36

341 posts

115 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Cayman r showing on ph for 38k with 40 k miles. Has pse, buckets, manual, spider wheels. Who cares about the higher mileage has a great engine, enjoy an R and put 12 thousand pounds in your pocket?

Sarnie

Original Poster:

8,025 posts

208 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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PR36 said:
Cayman r showing on ph for 38k with 40 k miles. Has pse, buckets, manual, spider wheels. Who cares about the higher mileage has a great engine, enjoy an R and put 12 thousand pounds in your pocket?
I'd assume anyone spending £50k on an R isn't thinking too much about enjoying it as a car but as an investment.....

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Sarnie said:
PR36 said:
Cayman r showing on ph for 38k with 40 k miles. Has pse, buckets, manual, spider wheels. Who cares about the higher mileage has a great engine, enjoy an R and put 12 thousand pounds in your pocket?
I'd assume anyone spending £50k on an R isn't thinking too much about enjoying it as a car but as an investment.....
That's what I mean, £38k is a lot of car for your money! £50k for what is getting on for two generations old (soon) makes me think you must sure want it as a garage queen....

Trotmant

385 posts

113 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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robj4 said:
Beanoir said:
+1

I was about to press the button on a GTS until I drove the R, pissed off my OPC mind. Had nothing to do with cost either.

If I wanted a daily car to commute a 100mile round trip in comfort then I'd consider the GTS
That's why I never tried the R, I couldn't be arsed with the searching for a good one, all the usual BS and lies dragged out from whoever is selling. If the first and only Porker you've ever driven is a CGTS then you can reside happy in ignorant bliss and not lust after a GT3, GT4 that are unobtainable (for me) anyway. Job jobbed.

The car which is the subject of this thread would have tempted me though, what's an extra £5k for a car that hasn't, probably, been mistreated or buggered about with? Im my numbers come up on the D**k head tax this weekend I'll buy it just to prove everyone wrong about the price. (And a GT3 RS for £295k).
Never driven a gt3 sadly, or RS as well out of reach of me. Why would you want an R and a GT3 Rs? All the reviews suggest it's a good daily driver. Or would you want to keep the miles off it and use the R as the dd. Assuming I had that sort of disposable income, then I wouldn't care about depreciation and or wear and tear. Would just drive it everyday and love the thing.

Apart from needing 4 seats, can't see the point of driving anything else, especially non Porsche. It Would depress me. smile

PR36

341 posts

115 months

Friday 31st July 2015
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Sarnie said:
PR36 said:
Cayman r showing on ph for 38k with 40 k miles. Has pse, buckets, manual, spider wheels. Who cares about the higher mileage has a great engine, enjoy an R and put 12 thousand pounds in your pocket?
I'd assume anyone spending £50k on an R isn't thinking too much about enjoying it as a car but as an investment.....
Well in my view now we get into the realms of silliness. I mean I could 'almost' understand if it had delivery miles only but from memory it has about 9k right. I suppose if you were looking back at some of the old air cooled cars in years gone by (leaky engine 964, rusting shells etc etc) and someone said one day these old kettles would be worth silly money you wouldn't believe it, or at least I wouldn't. Well, if the Cayman R goes the same way I would be very surprised, no offence to anyone but to me it isn't that much different from the mass produced S version. I think people should be careful in thinking just because somethings made in limited numbers it makes it special or valuable, you could apply the same argument to the 'Design Edition' cayman which seems to invite nothing but scorn from the R clique on here. Anyway, the more I read about all this investment nonsense and the endless discussion about values on ph the more I think im a very strange type of p owner indeed. My criteria for buying a car is to drive and and enjoy and the importance of value to me is that I would not be totally devastated were I to put it into the barriers at the nurburgring. That's it.