The £50k Cayman R
Discussion
I use my R every day and the miles are going on :-)
lifes too short to drive a s
tter as a daily, but many do, keeping that GT3 or which ever car they have saved up for a 2k a year thing, check how many left and there are loads of GT3, spyders and R's on sorn over winter, I use my cars all year round.
put in a £45k offer on that R and it would prob buy it, then it's like having a new one and as values are strong even if it goes down, no other R has 8k miles on it you would still loose twice as much buying a golf R, or a DS3 or some stter as a daily.
lifes too short to drive a s
tter as a daily, but many do, keeping that GT3 or which ever car they have saved up for a 2k a year thing, check how many left and there are loads of GT3, spyders and R's on sorn over winter, I use my cars all year round.put in a £45k offer on that R and it would prob buy it, then it's like having a new one and as values are strong even if it goes down, no other R has 8k miles on it you would still loose twice as much buying a golf R, or a DS3 or some s
tter as a daily.PorscheGT4 said:
I use my R every day and the miles are going on :-)
lifes too short to drive a stter as a daily, but many do, keeping that GT3 or which ever car they have saved up for a 2k a year thing, check how many left and there are loads of GT3, spyders and R's on sorn over winter, I use my cars all year round.
put in a £45k offer on that R and it would prob buy it, then it's like having a new one and as values are strong even if it goes down, no other R has 8k miles on it you would still loose twice as much buying a golf R, or a DS3 or some stter as a daily.
I agree! But to me the Cayman R reminds me of the E46 M3 CS in the sense it has some very nice bits on it to differentiate from the base model but its performance isn't way beyond. When I was looking at the E46 M3 many dealers attempted to create a halo around the 'CS' model but they failed as it just doesn't have the cachet of the CSL. With the Cayman R it doesn't have the heritage/cachet of the 911, it isn't currently trading above its own list and so I personally see its value as only ever tracking the base model with prospective owners rightly paying a premium for those very nice parts it does have. Mind you, someone somehow seems to have created a halo around the old air cooled 911 cars such that even the base models are trading above their original list price so perhaps it isn't beyond the realms it could happen to the R, maybe there is even hope for my gen 1 CS Halfords special with its 73k miles and chocolate engine! lifes too short to drive a s
tter as a daily, but many do, keeping that GT3 or which ever car they have saved up for a 2k a year thing, check how many left and there are loads of GT3, spyders and R's on sorn over winter, I use my cars all year round.put in a £45k offer on that R and it would prob buy it, then it's like having a new one and as values are strong even if it goes down, no other R has 8k miles on it you would still loose twice as much buying a golf R, or a DS3 or some s
tter as a daily.E46 M3 CS are expensive now though !! and of course if you did not want SMG then this was the next best thing and manual (smg option).
£20k for a 100,000 miles 10 year old car now ! £26k for one sub 30k miles
normal M3 are £9k !!! for a lower mile 05 !!! £11k seems to be some minters about.
I hope the R keeps a value double that of the standard car like the M3 CS has :-)
Again I ONLY look at cost to buy/sell so end to buying LTD models they always do well in any make again buying the best model in the range always pays you back come resale.
Hence I had the CSL ;-p, the R, etc etc it stood me in good sted to allow me to buy more expensive cars, not losing 50% of a cars value in 3 years !!!
£20k for a 100,000 miles 10 year old car now ! £26k for one sub 30k miles
normal M3 are £9k !!! for a lower mile 05 !!! £11k seems to be some minters about.
I hope the R keeps a value double that of the standard car like the M3 CS has :-)
Again I ONLY look at cost to buy/sell so end to buying LTD models they always do well in any make again buying the best model in the range always pays you back come resale.
Hence I had the CSL ;-p, the R, etc etc it stood me in good sted to allow me to buy more expensive cars, not losing 50% of a cars value in 3 years !!!
Edited by PorscheGT4 on Friday 31st July 10:30
PorscheGT4 said:
I use my R every day and the miles are going on :-)
lifes too short to drive a stter as a daily, but many do, keeping that GT3 or which ever car they have saved up for a 2k a year thing, check how many left and there are loads of GT3, spyders and R's on sorn over winter, I use my cars all year round.
I think I've struck a reasonable balance. I don't use my R daily as it wouldn't even get warm on the drive to work and driving something that good in traffic just infuriates me that I can't have any fun with it. So I use my old Mondeo for work and for lugging around bikes and short trips round town and to the supermarket. It's very comfy and costs me hardly anything to run. And I don't care if someone scrapes it in Tescos car park. Then if I want to go for a drive for fun I take the R out - bought it with 11.5k miles last November and now at about 16.5k so not doing mega miles, but certainly not just having it to not use either! And after the Mondeo it always makes it feel more special and faster too. I use the R all year and wouldn't dream of sorning it for winter but to be honest for commuting and the boring stuff I prefer to use the big comfy family car. Horses for courses and all that.lifes too short to drive a s
tter as a daily, but many do, keeping that GT3 or which ever car they have saved up for a 2k a year thing, check how many left and there are loads of GT3, spyders and R's on sorn over winter, I use my cars all year round.
PorscheGT4 said:
E46 M3 CS are expensive now though !! and of course if you did not want SMG then this was the next best thing and manual (smg option).
£20k for a 100,000 miles 10 year old car now ! £26k for one sub 30k miles
normal M3 are £9k !!! for a lower mile 05 !!! £11k seems to be some minters about.
I hope the R keeps a value double that of the standard car :-)
Buts its no different from the p world though is it, anyone can advertise a car for a silly amount but that doesn't mean that's what they are worth or what anyone would pay for one. I certainly looked at many E46 M3 CS at the time they started to go up. Most had been owned by boy racers before the bubble and had been abused to death. Using flowery language in an ad about mature drivers, or suggesting its a future investment blah blah doesn't erase its previous life racing around council estates. I told the dealers - money for old rope! £20k for a 100,000 miles 10 year old car now ! £26k for one sub 30k miles
normal M3 are £9k !!! for a lower mile 05 !!! £11k seems to be some minters about.
I hope the R keeps a value double that of the standard car :-)
PR36 said:
PorscheGT4 said:
I use my R every day and the miles are going on :-)
lifes too short to drive a stter as a daily, but many do, keeping that GT3 or which ever car they have saved up for a 2k a year thing, check how many left and there are loads of GT3, spyders and R's on sorn over winter, I use my cars all year round.
put in a £45k offer on that R and it would prob buy it, then it's like having a new one and as values are strong even if it goes down, no other R has 8k miles on it you would still loose twice as much buying a golf R, or a DS3 or some stter as a daily.
I agree! But to me the Cayman R reminds me of the E46 M3 CS in the sense it has some very nice bits on it to differentiate from the base model but its performance isn't way beyond. When I was looking at the E46 M3 many dealers attempted to create a halo around the 'CS' model but they failed as it just doesn't have the cachet of the CSL. With the Cayman R it doesn't have the heritage/cachet of the 911, it isn't currently trading above its own list and so I personally see its value as only ever tracking the base model with prospective owners rightly paying a premium for those very nice parts it does have. Mind you, someone somehow seems to have created a halo around the old air cooled 911 cars such that even the base models are trading above their original list price so perhaps it isn't beyond the realms it could happen to the R, maybe there is even hope for my gen 1 CS Halfords special with its 73k miles and chocolate engine! lifes too short to drive a s
tter as a daily, but many do, keeping that GT3 or which ever car they have saved up for a 2k a year thing, check how many left and there are loads of GT3, spyders and R's on sorn over winter, I use my cars all year round.put in a £45k offer on that R and it would prob buy it, then it's like having a new one and as values are strong even if it goes down, no other R has 8k miles on it you would still loose twice as much buying a golf R, or a DS3 or some s
tter as a daily.use the money for AP brakes and quality suspension
exactly the same with a boggo cayman S.
great standard cars, just like the e46 m3. but just don't go far enough. If they had made the engine different enough/ suspension different enough and brakes different enough it would be worth it but hey, that's the GT4.
This is also the singular reason why the 987 spyder will be more desirable in the long run and imo, the 981 spyder as well, if not more.
Mermaid said:
Cayman R & the E46 CSL are in the same space.
Interesting comparison, the CSL has 110kg advantage and 20hp benefit over the base model M3, exactly double that of the advantage the CR has over its base model! But I wont split hairs, I don't have any agenda and am not knocking the CR in any way, I only used the M3 CS as an analogy, I do think the CR is a great car and in my view values around about 40k are reasonable. The CSL will have the advantage because it is the best the marque delivered. Boxster and Caymans will never compare to a 911, i'm afraid.
Am i the only one appreciating the irony of people talking about how wonderful a Cayman R is because it's such a driver's car, yet this particular vehicle has averaged about 2,000 miles a year?
Am i the only one appreciating the irony of people talking about how wonderful a Cayman R is because it's such a driver's car, yet this particular vehicle has averaged about 2,000 miles a year?
hondansx said:
Boxster and Caymans will never compare to a 911, i'm afraid.
Compare in what way? I've owned several 'standard' 911s, (997 4S, 996 C2/C4) and the Cayman R is in a different league to those as a 'sports car' - my 997 GT2 is in a different league again but I'd always take the CR over any standard 911 to be honest.for a start the engine. even though the HP upgrade is 15 or so HP, the ecu management is completely different using a MAP instead of MAF, the airbox, the more brutal gear shift. It sounds fantastic as a result.
The weight loss is also more extreme.
improved steering rack, suspension, carbon roof, bumpers and boot lid.
The CR is an optimised Cayman S with extra 10HP from ecu tuning and alloy doors from 997 parts bin and some weight loss. It works as a package but isn't so far removed from a cayman S compared to the CSL.
The weight loss is also more extreme.
improved steering rack, suspension, carbon roof, bumpers and boot lid.
The CR is an optimised Cayman S with extra 10HP from ecu tuning and alloy doors from 997 parts bin and some weight loss. It works as a package but isn't so far removed from a cayman S compared to the CSL.
Mermaid said:
isaldiri said:
Mermaid said:
Cayman R & the E46 CSL are in the same space.
Absolutely not.The CSL is IMO much the superior car and far more special to drive.
Better sound & some will say looks more special. But better transmission, engine, handling, brakes? Better road car, track car?
hondansx said:
Mermaid said:
isaldiri said:
Mermaid said:
Cayman R & the E46 CSL are in the same space.
Absolutely not.The CSL is IMO much the superior car and far more special to drive.
Better sound & some will say looks more special. But better transmission, engine, handling, brakes? Better road car, track car?
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