Admission of negligence
Discussion
Skyman said:
Why? You have yet to. Just get the damage rectified and move on. Life is too short, and your would-be loss is of no relevance to you or anyone else. The tide is clearly against you.
bwahahahah tide. Ive said many times I posted here to get peoples thoughts & to share an experience.
Skyman said:
Opportunism seems to be the word most relevant to this thread. Modern society at its best. Had my mother's mother been on the Titanic........
I wonder if you'd feel the same if you had a young child in the car with you if a similar occurrence happened? I'd be a mad cat and if I had Mr OPs skills someone at OPC would be being knocked out. He's been pretty reasonable, eloquent and laid back for a killing machine....sidicks said:
It's just that you don't like the thoughts that you are receiving!
Incorrect.Just makes me think of this......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1MO023vN8o
sebulban said:
davek_964 said:
I guess you 'win' if you proceed with legal action, win the case and Porsche award you compensation. Personally, I don't see that as very likely.
But if it's what you want to do, then knock yourself out.
Incorrect.But if it's what you want to do, then knock yourself out.
You made a statement "At least my view is : you can't be compensated for something that didn't happen....."
That strikes me as a huge generalisation.
You are already being compensated for loss (tyres etc). You were not injured. Are you claiming suffering?
You cannot be 'compensated' for loss, suffering or injury that did not happen.
In any event, you do 'win' because this discussion is a pointless waste of time. The only people whose opinion you seem to want are the ones that agree with you. Since that's not mine I will no longer offer an opinion.
IMI A said:
I wonder if you'd feel the same if you had a young child in the car with you if a similar occurrence happened? I'd be a mad cat and if I had Mr OPs skills someone at OPC would be being knocked out. He's been pretty reasonable, eloquent and laid back for a killing machine....
Oh yes, I forgot his capability. But still, move on.davek_964 said:
The dictionary definition of compensation : Something, typically money, awarded to someone for loss, suffering or injury.
You are already being compensated for loss (tyres etc). You were not injured. Are you claiming suffering?
You cannot be 'compensated' for loss, suffering or injury that did not happen.
In any event, you do 'win' because this discussion is a pointless waste of time. The only people whose opinion you seem to want are the ones that agree with you. Since that's not mine I will no longer offer an opinion.
Nail.....head. Excellent post.You are already being compensated for loss (tyres etc). You were not injured. Are you claiming suffering?
You cannot be 'compensated' for loss, suffering or injury that did not happen.
In any event, you do 'win' because this discussion is a pointless waste of time. The only people whose opinion you seem to want are the ones that agree with you. Since that's not mine I will no longer offer an opinion.
davek_964 said:
The dictionary definition of compensation : Something, typically money, awarded to someone for loss, suffering or injury.
You are already being compensated for loss (tyres etc). You were not injured. Are you claiming suffering?
You cannot be 'compensated' for loss, suffering or injury that did not happen.
In any event, you do 'win' because this discussion is a pointless waste of time. The only people whose opinion you seem to want are the ones that agree with you. Since that's not mine I will no longer offer an opinion.
I don't think its a waste of time myself.... there has been plenty of good points raised. I have learnt from those on both sides of the debate. Thanks to the person who raised about seeing a suspension specialist - my car is booked in. You are already being compensated for loss (tyres etc). You were not injured. Are you claiming suffering?
You cannot be 'compensated' for loss, suffering or injury that did not happen.
In any event, you do 'win' because this discussion is a pointless waste of time. The only people whose opinion you seem to want are the ones that agree with you. Since that's not mine I will no longer offer an opinion.
It just surprises me when people derail a discussion and poke someone then get all butt hurt when they are answered back to......
I agree it didn't have to be continued for 200 posts and I did try a final post to summarise.
What i will add.... is I guess Im cut from a different cloth and wont stand morons as well as a lot of you. I don't in every day life either - maybe its the martial artist in me. Good luck with your nicey nicey approach though Im sure it will work out for you. But I have a set of balls and will stand up for myself.
Im not going to say what Porsche head office came back with this evening..... as someone pointed out probably best to keep the details quiet. Needless to say had I tuck tailed and done what a lot of you clearly do in your everyday life I wouldn't be getting the result I have :-)
BertBert said:
YoungMD said:
On balance this is a pretty good summary.....
When you offer a premium service and charge for it you should deliver it, full stop. If you don't put it right and compensate appropriately. Big chit chat about what appropriate is but it seems on the scale Porsche have selected the lower end, simply to put right there 'probable' f up. I would want more if only for my time and effort, but life is short so I wouldn't pursue the big scary people........
Que lots of responses, they have done everything, porsche is great blar blar
You are still lumping two different things together. "Putting it right" and "compensation". There is nothing to compensate for. When you offer a premium service and charge for it you should deliver it, full stop. If you don't put it right and compensate appropriately. Big chit chat about what appropriate is but it seems on the scale Porsche have selected the lower end, simply to put right there 'probable' f up. I would want more if only for my time and effort, but life is short so I wouldn't pursue the big scary people........
Que lots of responses, they have done everything, porsche is great blar blar
i think this tread deserves at least a 8.5/10, and i like the guy who started the tread, seems to make sense to me, and even if he doesn't I'm on his side.....
sebulban said:
What i will add.... is I guess Im cut from a different cloth and wont stand morons as well as a lot of you. I don't in every day life either - maybe its the martial artist in me. Good luck with your nicey nicey approach though Im sure it will work out for you. But I have a set of balls and will stand up for myself.
Im not going to say what Porsche head office came back with this evening..... as someone pointed out probably best to keep the details quiet. Needless to say had I tuck tailed and done what a lot of you clearly do in your everyday life I wouldn't be getting the result I have :-)
I can certainly see the similarities here with the MMA fighter: for one thing, you clearly like to have your fights in front of an audience - and you certainly got one here on PH for this fight with your OPC!Im not going to say what Porsche head office came back with this evening..... as someone pointed out probably best to keep the details quiet. Needless to say had I tuck tailed and done what a lot of you clearly do in your everyday life I wouldn't be getting the result I have :-)
Do traditional martial arts approve of unnecessary aggression?
You've had this battle very much in public - so we've seen a bit about what you're about - and fair play to you, you seem happy with how it ended, well done. But don't make the mistake of thinking that means you know much about any of us or what we do in our everyday life.
You've had a lot of help offered on here; yep you've caught some incoming and there have been a few arguments on the sidelines (as is alway the case on PH) - but aren't there more magnanimous ways to sign off than implying that you're the only one with any balls around here?
How is the car any way? Maybe share some thoughts about how it is driving now it's back? What are you planning to do when you get the geometry done?
Late to the thread and have only skipped through, so forgive me if I'm repeating, but -
My 2003 986S has just done a similar thing, although nowhere near so badly. It shaved off the inner edges of the rear tyres, plus I was aware of an occasional 'clunk' from underneath.
It's cost a grand to put right at Center Gravity.
So my thoughts are, how old is the OP's car? What were the tyres that were replaced like, because just replacing the rear tyres will not cause that wear pattern?
If alignment was carried out when the tyres were replaced, what did the OP pay, because you only get what you pay for? Alignment is a serious task imo, on MX5 forums I used to read of people who reckoned they've had alignment done for 35 quid or whatever, and I know at that cost you don't get anything at all.
Not that that absolves anyone of anything - but you do only get what you pay for.
Alignment equipment is expensive, and to do it properly can take from a couple of hours on a new/young car, to a couple of days on an old car like mine where all the fasteners under the car seizes up. (We're talking about threads that don't get turned for years, exposed to the elements).
My 2003 986S has just done a similar thing, although nowhere near so badly. It shaved off the inner edges of the rear tyres, plus I was aware of an occasional 'clunk' from underneath.
It's cost a grand to put right at Center Gravity.
So my thoughts are, how old is the OP's car? What were the tyres that were replaced like, because just replacing the rear tyres will not cause that wear pattern?
If alignment was carried out when the tyres were replaced, what did the OP pay, because you only get what you pay for? Alignment is a serious task imo, on MX5 forums I used to read of people who reckoned they've had alignment done for 35 quid or whatever, and I know at that cost you don't get anything at all.
Not that that absolves anyone of anything - but you do only get what you pay for.
Alignment equipment is expensive, and to do it properly can take from a couple of hours on a new/young car, to a couple of days on an old car like mine where all the fasteners under the car seizes up. (We're talking about threads that don't get turned for years, exposed to the elements).
Oso said:
sebulban said:
What i will add.... is I guess Im cut from a different cloth and wont stand morons as well as a lot of you. I don't in every day life either - maybe its the martial artist in me. Good luck with your nicey nicey approach though Im sure it will work out for you. But I have a set of balls and will stand up for myself.
Im not going to say what Porsche head office came back with this evening..... as someone pointed out probably best to keep the details quiet. Needless to say had I tuck tailed and done what a lot of you clearly do in your everyday life I wouldn't be getting the result I have :-)
I can certainly see the similarities here with the MMA fighter: for one thing, you clearly like to have your fights in front of an audience - and you certainly got one here on PH for this fight with your OPC!Im not going to say what Porsche head office came back with this evening..... as someone pointed out probably best to keep the details quiet. Needless to say had I tuck tailed and done what a lot of you clearly do in your everyday life I wouldn't be getting the result I have :-)
Do traditional martial arts approve of unnecessary aggression?
You've had this battle very much in public - so we've seen a bit about what you're about - and fair play to you, you seem happy with how it ended, well done. But don't make the mistake of thinking that means you know much about any of us or what we do in our everyday life.
You've had a lot of help offered on here; yep you've caught some incoming and there have been a few arguments on the sidelines (as is alway the case on PH) - but aren't there more magnanimous ways to sign off than implying that you're the only one with any balls around here?
How is the car any way? Maybe share some thoughts about how it is driving now it's back? What are you planning to do when you get the geometry done?
Now I'm off to read about the husband that is suing his wife after their wedding as when she took her make-up off he did not recognise her......
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