GT4 TO GET PDK - WILL SPYDER BE NEXT ?

[WG]

excuse me, but what as all this VW business got to do with my original post ? Interesting though it is!

[av185]

Todays Autocar says only 50 GT4s for the UK.

Must be true.....:

[bcr5784]

WG said:

excuse me, but what as all this VW business got to do with my original post ? Interesting though it is!

If VW are in trouble and they (and Porsche?) can't produce diesels for a while (if there was a simple fix they would have done it in the last 6 years) - then the VW group (and Porsche) will have to reassess their production schedules. So anything that has been said about future production will be reconsidered - and what the outcome will be, who knows. So there is little point in arguing about what AP may or may not have said/written/meant.

[ORD]

bcr5784 said:

WG said:

excuse me, but what as all this VW business got to do with my original post ? Interesting though it is!

If VW are in trouble and they (and Porsche?) can't produce diesels for a while (if there was a simple fix they would have done it in the last 6 years) - then the VW group (and Porsche) will have to reassess their production schedules. So anything that has been said about future production will be reconsidered - and what the outcome will be, who knows. So there is little point in arguing about what AP may or may not have said/written/meant.

None of which would have any impact on sports cars, as Porsche doesnt really build its diesel cars, does it? Basically Audis.

[mollytherocker]

ORD said:

None of which would have any impact on sports cars, as Porsche doesnt really build its diesel cars, does it? Basically Audis.

I have no doubt that there is more shared than we know. Especially, technical development etc.

Theres a huge virus in VW Group and none of us know how wide this spreads yet.

Remember that the cheating software may have been developed by a supplier, like Bosch?

It could be industry wide.

[bcr5784]

ORD said:

None of which would have any impact on sports cars, as Porsche doesnt really build its diesel cars, does it? Basically Audis.

Who knows? Porsche's biggest profit centre is SUVs - a large proportion of which are diesels. Boxsters are produced at Osnabruck - a VW factory. At the moment it's quite impossible to see how this "virus" will spread, the impact it will have, and how VW group as a whole will try to regain profitability - particularly as we don't even know who the "new" CEO will be.

Will it impact on sports car production and in what way? Will it affect Porsche's image or marketing strategy? How can we know? At one extreme VW could go to the wall/be taken over/be split up, at the other (if lots of other manufacturers are guilty) the "authorities" may try to smooth things over with far less draconian impact. The fact that German government seems to have been well aware that something dodgy was going on might seem to confirm that view.

Given that diesel manufacture and sales in the US are far less significant than in Europe - US authorities might take a far harder line than would likely be the case in Europe.

Far too many imponderables at the moment to predict what will happen.

Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 23 September 20:35

[WG]

Just got back from Frankfurt Motor Show (fabulous event). Spent some time on Porsche stand talking to a marketing guy who stated that definitely no PDK for Spyder. So thgat closes my own thread !! Alos told me that total Spyder production has been sold but wouldn't give full production numbers.

[Ozzie Osmond]

av185 said:

VW will need their pots of cash with talk of a possible €37500 fine per offending car since 2009...........

Pure hyperbole.

No one in Europe is going to be stupid enough to put their biggest car manufacturer out of business. USA will flap about a bit as it's "foreigners" (see also BP and Piper Alpha).

• No one will be able to prove injury to health
• Even if VW had to buy back all the cars sold in USA it would only be at their used value - at which point they can be shipped to Africa (or wherever) and sold again.

Whilst more than a storm in a teacup I really don't think this will ultimately be a very big deal.

Personal opinion - if it gets some stinking diesels off the road that's absolutely fine by me!

[Ozzie Osmond]

WG said:

marketing guy who stated that definitely no PDK for Spyder. So that closes my own thread !! Also told me that total Spyder production has been sold but wouldn't give full production numbers.

Believe that if you want to.

If customers are daft enough to queue up for Special Edition Porsches at full list price I'm pretty confident that Porsche will keep churning them out, each in a slightly different specification for "strictly limited production".

[ORD]

Ozzie Osmond said:

WG said:

marketing guy who stated that definitely no PDK for Spyder. So that closes my own thread !! Also told me that total Spyder production has been sold but wouldn't give full production numbers.

Believe that if you want to.

If customers are daft enough to queue up for Special Edition Porsches at full list price I'm pretty confident that Porsche will keep churning them out, each in a slightly different specification for "strictly limited production".

Grinch!

It seems to have worked well for these daft people so far. Depreciation proof cars!

[mdianuk]

Well it does seem as if Matttheboatman caused unnecessary hysteria by misquoting AP on PDK coming to the GT4, to the point where he suggests it got him in a bit of trouble with the bosses at Porsche, and made specific reference to it at the Rennsport event:

"I read that in the internet as well. There is some individual that had an interview with me, apparently, which I don't know of, and some internet forums stated that there will be a PDK version of this car (points to the gt4 in front of him and he pauses briefly)...No sir, not the case, we will not do it. This is purely a manual car. Maybe in the future generations, when we will go on with this gt4 story, which I hope we will be able to do, we might make to the customer whether (we offer) PDK or not, but at this lifecycle for the 981 we just can't do it...so that was bad information and sorry for that. Caused a lot of trouble for me, believe me...(laughter in the audience)."

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-and-rs/895835-r...

He has however suggested an increase in production of the current GT4, though unclear if this is for the US market only. From around 1600 to 2500-3000, but certainly less than 5000! Gives hope to those of us waiting in the wings.

[itsybitsy]

mdianuk said:

He has however suggested an increase in production of the current GT4, though unclear if this is for the US market only. From around 1600 to 2500-3000, but certainly less than 5000! Gives hope to those of us waiting in the wings.

I thought production was going to be around 2500-3000 in the first place and not as low as 1600!

The CaymanR had an overall production of circa 5100 cars of which split c3500 N.America and ROW c1600 of which UK got 15% of ROW cars(240 cars) although on the 987.2spyder the UK got 20% of the c1200 ROW cars(230) and NA c800 cars

So even if they build 3000 cars cannot see UK getting more than 150-200 cars of which all allocations are sold so any increase if any must be for the N.America market which must be getting the bulk of GT4s if the CR production is anything to go by!
Unless the 1600 refers to cars built upto 31.12.15 and the rest 900-1400 to be built in 1st quarter 2016 when demand/production falls for 981.1 as the 981.2 approaches ?

[mdianuk]

itsybitsy said:

I thought production was going to be around 2500-3000 in the first place and not as low as 1600!

I'm not sure, just going off what someone who was at the event said

http://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-and-rs/895835-r...

3. Worldwide GT4 production originally intended to be 1600. Now will be 2500 - 3000. And that will be it until next gen

[GaryF]

Some of those additional cars will surely find their way into UK allocations. I do think there is something to this as my OPC is now at least anticipating more cars.

Call it pure speculation, but I think Porsche will want to keep fueling the interest that has been generated thus far and drip feed a few more out the door.

Though they definitely won't have PDK. That at least seems to have been made clear

[cardigankid]

Matttheboatman said:

mdianuk said:

I spoke to him on email D

Don't you agree that implying you talked with AP was misleading if you did not? It may not be lie, but its not the truth either, is it?

Give him a break for goodness sake. Just getting a Christmas card from Andreas Preuninger would be impressive.

[mdianuk]

cardigankid said:

Give him a break for goodness sake. Just getting a Christmas card from Andreas Preuninger would be impressive.

I suspect he's run away with his tail between his legs already, especially after AP outed him in public; following the statement is provided to me.

[EricE]

itsybitsy said:

I thought production was going to be around 2500-3000 in the first place and not as low as 1600!

The CaymanR had an overall production of circa 5100 cars of which split c3500 N.America and ROW c1600 of which UK got 15% of ROW cars(240 cars) although on the 987.2spyder the UK got 20% of the c1200 ROW cars(230) and NA c800 cars

Uh... no. Are you just making up random numbers?

987.2 Cayman R:

2010: 10

2011: 977

2012: 151

1138 total


987.2 Spyder:

2009: 33

2010: 1418

2011: 493

1944 total

Source: Porsche Museum

Most of the Spyders went to the USA/California for obvious reasons, most of the CRs stayed in Europe.

So there's a chance they'll build more 981.1 GT4 than CR/Spyder combined.

Edited by EricE on Thursday 1st October 19:20

[Romo]

FWIW;


Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport mit Doppelkupplungsgetriebe
Im Gegensatz zu seinem Straßenbruder kommuniziert der Boxermotor im Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport nicht mit einem manuellen Sechsgangschalter, sondern einem Siebengang-Doppelkupplungsgetriebe. Für die Schaltvorgänge muss der Pilot also nicht mehr mit der rechten Hand nach unten greifen. Stattdessen zappt er über Lenkradwippen durch die Gänge.

Die Leichtbau-Federbein-Vorderachse erbt der neue Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport direkt von seinem großen Bruder 911 GT3 Cup. Zu einer besseren Traktion und mehr Querdynamik verhilft dem Rennwagen eine mechanische Hinterachs-Quersperre, die es auch für den Straßen-GT4 gibt.

Viele Leistungsdaten gibt Porsche noch nicht preis. Geschweige denn Fotos. Mit einem Gewicht von 1.300 Kilogramm – immerhin 40 kg weniger als die Straßenversion, dürfte der Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport etwas schneller auf 100 km/h beschleunigen können. Der Mittelmotorsportler für die Straße schafft den Spurt laut Hersteller in 4,4 Sekunden. Um Fahrt rauszunehmen, stoppt den Renner eine Rennbremsanlage mit im Durchmesser jeweils 380 Millimeter großen Stahlbremsscheiben



http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/motorsport/neue...

[bcr5784]

Worth quite a lot

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-la-m...

But it sounds like a genuine race-car - mind you a loss of 40kg doesn't sound like much if it genuinely is stripped out, even if a roll cage adds quite a bit.

Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 6th October 16:50

[itsybitsy]

EricE said:

Uh... no. Are you just making up random numbers?

987.2 Cayman R:

2010: 10

2011: 977

2012: 151

1138 total


987.2 Spyder:

2009: 33

2010: 1418

2011: 493

1944 total

Source: Porsche Museum

Most of the Spyders went to the USA/California for obvious reasons, most of the CRs stayed in Europe.

So there's a chance they'll build more 981.1 GT4 than CR/Spyder combined.

Edited by EricE on Thursday 1st October 19:20

Just noticed this your figures for the spyder are correct but your CR ones are all wrong!
For starters none were built in 2010 and going by chassis numbers over 1600 cars were delivered to rest of world alone and more than double went to the states!
If you go on planet 9 back to march 2012 the guys in the states were receiving cars with chassis numbers higher than 3500( cannot remember exact number from over 4 years ago)
I think it's you making up random numbers the CR was a bigger sales success than the spyder world wide!