Cayman GT4 Is it quick enough?
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Really spending some quality time with my GT4 now it's fullIy run in. It's a lovely car but it does feel a bit slow!
As an £80K- £100K car it's not actually that quick. It is nowhere compared to a 991GT3, and it's not as much fun as my 997-2 GT3. Why?
It may well be that it is damm quick but it's so composed that it doesn't feel it?
The big flat torque curve and lack of high rev sparkle make it feel slow.
Incidentally where the hell does all the fuel go? Mine uses more fuel than any GT3 I have owned and I have had nearly all of them. The lovely interior obviously takes a lot of dragging about.
That is a quick strop over some lovely roads but with due deference to Cup2's and cold slightly damp roads.
10 MPG! Even my V10 M5 was better than that.
As an £80K- £100K car it's not actually that quick. It is nowhere compared to a 991GT3, and it's not as much fun as my 997-2 GT3. Why?
It may well be that it is damm quick but it's so composed that it doesn't feel it?
The big flat torque curve and lack of high rev sparkle make it feel slow.
Incidentally where the hell does all the fuel go? Mine uses more fuel than any GT3 I have owned and I have had nearly all of them. The lovely interior obviously takes a lot of dragging about.
That is a quick strop over some lovely roads but with due deference to Cup2's and cold slightly damp roads.
10 MPG! Even my V10 M5 was better than that.
Uhmmm that's a bit worrying .... Particularly as I didn't think the GT3,s I've had were particularly quick in a straight line . The only porsche I've got out of recently and thought was quick quick was a 991 Turbo S . I'm hoping the experience of the GT4 replaces the sheer power . I've got a little running in to do before I can judge .
Edit : having said that I've ran 2 Cayman R's over the last couple of years in between the GT3's and never felt that they were to slow , so i doubt the GT4 will ......( to me )
Edit : having said that I've ran 2 Cayman R's over the last couple of years in between the GT3's and never felt that they were to slow , so i doubt the GT4 will ......( to me )
Edited by GT3cs on Sunday 22 November 19:06
Edited by GT3cs on Sunday 22 November 19:09
I am finding mpg too low, which is odd vs a 991, also the car DOES NOT feel fast until you look a the speedo, now I know it's not 991 GT3 fast, but the car feels more rock solid than any other car I have been in so it feels slow !!
My Spyder feels faster because it a jiggly alive thing with no roof weighing 1250Kg.
Funny thing performance, if you want that you buy a Turbo S or a 675LT or some thing with big torque, if you want feel and to be alive you buy a Caterham every thing else is some where in between.
you can get 420BHp from it to unlock the detuned engine mind you if you fee like it.
GT4 is already too fast for the road by miles so not sure what you expect from it.
My Spyder feels faster because it a jiggly alive thing with no roof weighing 1250Kg.
Funny thing performance, if you want that you buy a Turbo S or a 675LT or some thing with big torque, if you want feel and to be alive you buy a Caterham every thing else is some where in between.
you can get 420BHp from it to unlock the detuned engine mind you if you fee like it.
GT4 is already too fast for the road by miles so not sure what you expect from it.
Took mine for a quick spin today up the welsh coast road today and had a massive thumbs-up from a white Aston V12 vantage driver outside Llanrhystud,anybody on here?.Had my 12yr old son with me and still running in so going steady.First impressions of performance is of the remarkable flexibility.My acid test on grunt on sports cars is can it pull up the hill into Aberystwyth at 30mph and pull away in 6th gear,the GT4 did it easily so very torquey.
The GT4 imho is way too quick for the public road as it is,any quicker than this is a waste of power.The satisfying thing is that it feels wired into my brain and body which makes it enjoyable even at sane speeds.I admit the chassis dynamics and wondrous PCCB brakes are way over engineered for a 1340Kg 385HP car allowing room for a faster future GT4m2.All in all based on my limited experience the most dynamic,exciting and connected car i have ever driven.
The GT4 imho is way too quick for the public road as it is,any quicker than this is a waste of power.The satisfying thing is that it feels wired into my brain and body which makes it enjoyable even at sane speeds.I admit the chassis dynamics and wondrous PCCB brakes are way over engineered for a 1340Kg 385HP car allowing room for a faster future GT4m2.All in all based on my limited experience the most dynamic,exciting and connected car i have ever driven.
Collecting mine this week and hopefully it should prove a better road car overall than the 991 GT3 which in some situations is just too quick.....and apart from the PDK box easing congestion driving is actually a bit crap a slow speed and sounds it too (unless Sharkwerk exhaust enhanced or se actuators are disconnected).
Would view the GT4 perhaps in the same light as the 997 GTS being perhaps the perfect mix of fast and slow for road use......sounds great too!
Maybe those unhappy with the GT4 feeling too slow should have gone for a Spyder (981).
Would view the GT4 perhaps in the same light as the 997 GTS being perhaps the perfect mix of fast and slow for road use......sounds great too!
Maybe those unhappy with the GT4 feeling too slow should have gone for a Spyder (981).
Not sure if trolling, but I guess is it "quick enough" is only for you to judge. Looking at the numbers and the acclaim from pretty much all corners of the motoring world and winner of the ECOTY, my guess is that it will be enough for most people. MPG seems to be around 20-25, 10 on the road seems pretty extreme. Maybe there is something wrong with it?
There will always be faster cars. My tip is to buy a GT-R and tune it if "fast" is all you want.
There will always be faster cars. My tip is to buy a GT-R and tune it if "fast" is all you want.
av185 said:
Collecting mine this week and hopefully it should prove a better road car overall than the 991 GT3 which in some situations is just too quick.....and apart from the PDK box easing congestion driving is actually a bit crap a slow speed and sounds it too (unless Sharkwerk exhaust enhanced or se actuators are disconnected).
Would view the GT4 perhaps in the same light as the 997 GTS being perhaps the perfect mix of fast and slow for road use......sounds great too!
Maybe those unhappy with the GT4 feeling too slow should have gone for a Spyder (981).
Agree wholeheartedly about the Spyder. Better choice to enjoy the whole interaction.Would view the GT4 perhaps in the same light as the 997 GTS being perhaps the perfect mix of fast and slow for road use......sounds great too!
Maybe those unhappy with the GT4 feeling too slow should have gone for a Spyder (981).
The outside noise of the GT4 is way better than the inside. It's on a par with the 991GT3 for borderline civility, there is a horrible wheezy intake noise all the time that drowns out the stereo, a few people have pointed it out, as well as all the bump thump, vibration and general rumble. The lovely exhaust note is rather lost.
Incidentally I love all the NVH, it's what reminds you it's a "proper" Porsche GT car.
As a better road car than the 991 GT3 it's not (assuming you ignore price). They are very very similar in many ways but you loose the feral aggression of the 991 in full chat. You pays your money and you makes your choice.
This car has 380bhp and can reach 183mph. Just how fast do you want it to be?
Or is it easier turbo woooooosh type power you want?
As it stands, pushing this car at eight tenths plus on the road for more than 10 or so seconds is going to have you taking huge risks, unless it is a very well sighted and quiet road.
Or is it easier turbo woooooosh type power you want?
As it stands, pushing this car at eight tenths plus on the road for more than 10 or so seconds is going to have you taking huge risks, unless it is a very well sighted and quiet road.
acey81 said:
Not sure if trolling, but I guess is it "quick enough" is only for you to judge. Looking at the numbers and the acclaim from pretty much all corners of the motoring world and winner of the ECOTY, my guess is that it will be enough for most people. MPG seems to be around 20-25, 10 on the road seems pretty extreme. Maybe there is something wrong with it?
There will always be faster cars. My tip is to buy a GT-R and tune it if "fast" is all you want.
Not trolling at all. There will always be faster cars. My tip is to buy a GT-R and tune it if "fast" is all you want.
Just doesn't feel that quick! I know it's subjective and "fast" is Deffo not what it's about. I have other things on slicks for proper quick. It's about feeling fast and it just doesn't. I think its the power delivery which is very different to previous GT cars. It's like a very quick diesel!
, you'll be selling it soon?bigmowley said:
Not trolling at all.
Just doesn't feel that quick! I know it's subjective and "fast" is Deffo not what it's about. I have other things on slicks for proper quick. It's about feeling fast and it just doesn't. I think its the power delivery which is very different to previous GT cars. It's like a very quick diesel!
It's no racing engine but "a quick diesel"... come on. Just doesn't feel that quick! I know it's subjective and "fast" is Deffo not what it's about. I have other things on slicks for proper quick. It's about feeling fast and it just doesn't. I think its the power delivery which is very different to previous GT cars. It's like a very quick diesel!
The main "problem" is that the chassis, tyres and brakes feel like they could easily handle an extra 150-200 hp. I found that it can feel a bit gutless below 4k rpm when you're trying to pull out of a serpentine hairpin in 2nd. With PDK-S I would have just used 1st for this situation, but with the manual it's not really worth it.
Shorter gearing would help a lot, this has already been discussed at length.
It's the entry model of the GT line at an entry level price, Porsche will always make sure that the higher up cars have the edge over it. In this case they put a bread and butter 3.8L with long manual gearing in it. Ideally they should have shrunk the (fixed!) GT3 engine to 3.6L with shorter than stock gearing.
bigmowley said:
Not trolling at all.
Just doesn't feel that quick! I know it's subjective and "fast" is Deffo not what it's about. I have other things on slicks for proper quick. It's about feeling fast and it just doesn't. I think its the power delivery which is very different to previous GT cars. It's like a very quick diesel!
Ok, I see what you are talking about. I guess it is because this engine is tuned for mid range punch as opposed to a rising peaky crescendo, like other GT's.Just doesn't feel that quick! I know it's subjective and "fast" is Deffo not what it's about. I have other things on slicks for proper quick. It's about feeling fast and it just doesn't. I think its the power delivery which is very different to previous GT cars. It's like a very quick diesel!
mollytherocker said:
bigmowley said:
Not trolling at all.
Just doesn't feel that quick! I know it's subjective and "fast" is Deffo not what it's about. I have other things on slicks for proper quick. It's about feeling fast and it just doesn't. I think its the power delivery which is very different to previous GT cars. It's like a very quick diesel!
Ok, I see what you are talking about. I guess it is because this engine is tuned for mid range punch as opposed to a rising peaky crescendo, like other GT's.Just doesn't feel that quick! I know it's subjective and "fast" is Deffo not what it's about. I have other things on slicks for proper quick. It's about feeling fast and it just doesn't. I think its the power delivery which is very different to previous GT cars. It's like a very quick diesel!
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