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anonymous said:
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Think they all have it, hence why they all have the 'bodge' of acoustic weights springing around in the rear hatch....some people may not notice/ears are not effected/have a better tolerance of it...but it's there in them all to some degree (well the 8 or so Cayman 987's I drove in my time). After 80K in the thing, I simply learnt to 'tune it out' and live with it over time....
DJMC said:
TB303 said:
Personally I'd avoid PDK - there's plenty of time left to flap at paddles and not much left of manual gear boxes.
PDK is as good as a manual as a manual, even dropping two gears faster PLUS you can "lazy drive" too. Godsend when crawling behind a motorway pile up. Or... get much bigger left leg muscles from that heavy clutch...OP will no doubt find all the "Manual vs. PDK" threads so lets not get into that... or shall we...?
FrankCayman said:
anonymous said:
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I ok...not rubbish....I simply don't agree with it! Is that ok?I expect that you in fact agree that they have more assistance and less feel, but that it doesnt bother you. I doubt it bothers more than a minority of potential buyers.
They arent AS bad as Audi brakes, of course - the reference to Audi is just to get across that they have moved in that direction.
I'm going to drive my Spyder and see how the brakes are today. There is definitely the grabby snap of a servo when you touch the brakes. The 987's brakes are more progressive and don't have that artificial initial bite.
I would definitely prefer the progressiveness of the older car, but it's not something enough to put me off the 981.
I can't truly comment on overall feel yet, but I didn't notice them to be lacking.
I would definitely prefer the progressiveness of the older car, but it's not something enough to put me off the 981.
I can't truly comment on overall feel yet, but I didn't notice them to be lacking.
ORD said:
What, specifically, do you not agree with? Do you disagree that the brakes are more assisted than in the 987? Do you disagree that they have less feel?
I expect that you in fact agree that they have more assistance and less feel, but that it doesnt bother you. I doubt it bothers more than a minority of potential buyers.
They arent AS bad as Audi brakes, of course - the reference to Audi is just to get across that they have moved in that direction.
Yes, I think you're pretty much hit the nail on the head! To be honest, I wasn't really being that specific...I was simply saying that I don't agree the 981 has become too much like an Audi.....if people think the 981 is too much like an Audi and has lost feel etc. that's no problem for me...simply keep a 987.I expect that you in fact agree that they have more assistance and less feel, but that it doesnt bother you. I doubt it bothers more than a minority of potential buyers.
They arent AS bad as Audi brakes, of course - the reference to Audi is just to get across that they have moved in that direction.
Edited by FrankCayman on Wednesday 2nd December 13:49
OP...I had a very long test drive in a Cayman 2.7 987.2 and thought it was fantastic couldn't fault the car at all and would have been very happy owning one, but I ended up buying a 3.4 S 987.2 and to put it simply it's just better everywhere than the 2.7 it's so good.
Now I did have a go in a 3.4 S 981 for a day or two and it was very nice indeed when I got back in my 987 it seemed sharper plus the steering and brakes had a much better feel. My suggestion would be to look long and hard for a mint low miles Cayman 987.2 S or if your budget can stretch to an R then one of them.
You need to go and drive both versions of each model then you will know for sure which is best for you....good luck I hope you end up with a great car.
Now I did have a go in a 3.4 S 981 for a day or two and it was very nice indeed when I got back in my 987 it seemed sharper plus the steering and brakes had a much better feel. My suggestion would be to look long and hard for a mint low miles Cayman 987.2 S or if your budget can stretch to an R then one of them.
You need to go and drive both versions of each model then you will know for sure which is best for you....good luck I hope you end up with a great car.
ORD said:
What, specifically, do you not agree with? Do you disagree that the brakes are more assisted than in the 987? Do you disagree that they have less feel?
I expect that you in fact agree that they have more assistance and less feel, but that it doesnt bother you. I doubt it bothers more than a minority of potential buyers.
They arent AS bad as Audi brakes, of course - the reference to Audi is just to get across that they have moved in that direction.
There is nothing wrong with the feel and progression of the 981 brakes IMO. What's wrong for manual drivers (and as moose and others have said of the 987 too) the brakes are too light and have too much travel - which is only an issue if you heel and toe. 981 brakes are absolutely fine with PDK.I expect that you in fact agree that they have more assistance and less feel, but that it doesnt bother you. I doubt it bothers more than a minority of potential buyers.
They arent AS bad as Audi brakes, of course - the reference to Audi is just to get across that they have moved in that direction.
I'm afraid the term "audified" has become a generic 8 letter word of abuse (which has no more real meaning than the 4 letter ones - or the 6 letter one "diesel"). The brakes on every car I have driven in recent times with a servo have had too much travel and are too light - for easy heel and toeing, it's not specifically an Audi issue and it's not new. In days gone by peak braking effort typically meant 100lbs pedal pressure or more - now I suspect it's half that.
alcatraz236 said:
audi comment is valid, they have terrible overservoed snatchy brakes
So have loads of others - which is exactly my point! Overservoed the 981 ones? I'd agree. Snatchy? - at least the steel (OK cast iron) ones I'd disagree. Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 2nd December 20:10
anonymous said:
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Drive a Caterham then, when you want real interaction - I do! Different league steering, different league brake feel, different league agility, different league practicality. I'll ignore the Audi thing it's brand prejudice when most the rest of the industry is going the same way. It's only a valid shorthand for those with the same anti Audi prejudices (and no I don't work for Audi, have never owned one - but don't see why they should be targeted).
Coming from a 2012 TTS straight into my 2014 base Cayman PDK I'm somewhat qualified to discuss brake differences.
TTS brakes were overly powerful, too much grab for too little pressure and pedal travel.
Cayman's brakes are more progressive, more pedal travel, more pressure needed.
I have no criticism of the 981 brakes in comparison to the TTS'. They are rather different from each other.
I do wish Porsche would Audify the Cayman's front wheels jumping at full lock and low speed though. How did that ever get through testing?
TTS brakes were overly powerful, too much grab for too little pressure and pedal travel.
Cayman's brakes are more progressive, more pedal travel, more pressure needed.
I have no criticism of the 981 brakes in comparison to the TTS'. They are rather different from each other.
I do wish Porsche would Audify the Cayman's front wheels jumping at full lock and low speed though. How did that ever get through testing?
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