12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[Fokker]

sone said:

Possibly, problem is can I resist driving it?

If I have leant anything from selling many cars over the years is that you just need to keep it advertised. Its a bit like watching paint dry but it'll sell if you just leave it up there...

[sone]

Fokker said:

sone said:

Possibly, problem is can I resist driving it?

If I have leant anything from selling many cars over the years is that you just need to keep it advertised. Its a bit like watching paint dry but it'll sell if you just leave it up there...

I've no doubt it will, I've had a few calls, a couple of low ball cash offers from dealers and a couple offering me Sor services. Also couple of private buyers showing an interest. I think finance might be a stumbling block for some but it'll find it's place I'm sure.
In the meantime the weathers crap so I don't think I'm missing out(-:

[anissut]

sone said:

I've no doubt it will, I've had a few calls, a couple of low ball cash offers from dealers and a couple offering me Sor services. Also couple of private buyers showing an interest. I think finance might be a stumbling block for some but it'll find it's place I'm sure.
In the meantime the weathers crap so I don't think I'm missing out(-:

Interested to know what the couple of low ball cash offers from dealers were if you're willing to share.

[Sam All]

anissut said:

sone said:

I've no doubt it will, I've had a few calls, a couple of low ball cash offers from dealers and a couple offering me Sor services. Also couple of private buyers showing an interest. I think finance might be a stumbling block for some but it'll find it's place I'm sure.
In the meantime the weathers crap so I don't think I'm missing out(-:

Interested to know what the couple of low ball cash offers from dealers were if you're willing to share.

Spec dependant so Just call 911 Virgin/ JZM/Romans for an exact offer.

[spareparts]

woollyjoe said:

There is some truth to this, but not quite what I have experienced.

I did get a call for a nice car above list but only £10k above. They knew they could sell much higher, but they took a moral stance and must have come to some arrangement with the original customer to act accordingly. The point being that they never listed the car either and handled it in a way which did not encourage speculation in the market place.

So for those thinking Porsche don't care or are doing nothing - they do their best when they can. Porsche Franchisee's are independant business and chase profit first and foremost.

Wish they would just make another 10,000 cars / extend production to dissolve the speculative market.

A market that is so hot that flippers are tempted to buy in is simply not good for Porsche in the long run. However, a market that suggests the cost of ownership for an owner is near zero/flat with negligible depreciation will ensure that demand remains consistently and rationally strong, rather than the nervous speculative nature the RS market currently draws. If Porsche are selling at only 10k over, the sellers are probably simply selling back to Porsche at the buyer's cost - what a great story for Porsche to tout to potential buyers of their cars - "a Porsche may cost you nothing in depreciation"...

I am sure that many here would be very happy if they were able to buy and sell their Porsche knowing it cost them nothing in depreciation. Anything 'over' is merely the cherry on the icing...

[Jon666]

Unlike Spyder GT4 production is continuing so market continuing to be fed. Given the number of orders that have gone to flippers there has to be some chance of over supply?

Cancelled my order. Happy to wait until prices lower at some point in future and see what the fuss is about then.

[Fokker]

Jon666 said:

Unlike Spyder GT4 production is continuing so market continuing to be fed. Given the number of orders that have gone to flippers there has to be some chance of over supply?

Cancelled my order. Happy to wait until prices lower at some point in future and see what the fuss is about then.

Cancelled your order? What in the hope that they'll fall well below their new list price and you'll pick one up for a bargain in a couple of years?

Has anyone got any evidence that GT4 orders are still being taken? I thought it had stopped?

Edited by Fokker on Friday 5th February 18:46

[mattiemerc]

I have been told that GT4 production has finished.

Makes sense with the new model out now.

I have Carmine Red specced up to £78,000 coming in March.

Sold my 911 4s 991 on head v heart purchase, but I am getting very excited now after hearing review after review.

Also my salesman said one got picked up last week with buckets and the customer is not happy at all with it.

[av185]

woollyjoe said:

av185 said:

Nearly all UK OPCs would always sell to the enthusiast.....and rightly so. Don t forget anyone flipping a car outside the Porsche network will be blacklisted and unable to buy another new Porsche. Porsche have an in house team tracking all sales and anyone flipping a new GT car will only have the one opportunity to do so.......

Don't think it works this way and certainly many flippers are repeat flippers with that dealership. The dealership gets two opportunities to make a profit and usually they make significantly more selling a flipped car than first owner, so they are actually financially incentivised to sell to customers who at some point (sooner or later) will flip.

Porsche won't have the resources to track all worldwide cars either so I don't believe that at all.

For the avoidance of doubt, flipping is selling the car with a handful of miles or delivery mileage very soon after purchase either via an independent or the OPC.....it does NOT mean selling a couple of months after in isolation either for a genuine reason or with say a thousand miles on.

The worse scenario for Porsche is clearly if the car ends up at an independent outside the OPC network .

Porsche DO indeed have the resouces to track every car and owner especially in the relatively small UK market which, with its premiums for GT cars is unique and what we are referring to here.

The whole system for GT cars is of course now completely changed post the 'Boltongate' deposit debacle. Letters of intent are effectively history now, being replaced by an invitation by the OPC for past customers they know to show interest in specific GT cars, this being determined by their knowledge of past custom and profiling via previous GT car buying history at that OPC, spending power, likelihood of future purchases and amount spent, warranty and servicing work as a result of previous sales and proximity to the OPC itself.

Edited by av185 on Friday 5th February 18:50

[Fokker]

mattiemerc said:

I have been told that GT4 production has finished.

Makes sense with the new model out now.

I have Carmine Red specced up to £78,000 coming in March.

Sold my 911 4s 991 on head v heart purchase, but I am getting very excited now after hearing review after review.

Also my salesman said one got picked up last week with buckets and the customer is not happy at all with it.

The buckets are very upright, some people have spent hours in them and love them but if you're used to a reclined driving position you'll probably not like them.
Personally I find them comfortable.

[mattiemerc]

Wasnt an option as they only offered the middle range buckets with no height adjustment at the time.

So I went for the 17way with heated seats.

This will help my wife to drive it.

[Fokker]

av185 said:

For the avoidance of doubt, flipping is selling the car with a handful of miles or delivery mileage very soon after purchase either via an independent or the OPC.....it does NOT mean selling a couple of months after in isolation either for a genuine reason or with say a thousand miles on.

The worse scenario for Porsche is clearly if the car ends up at an independent outside the OPC network .

Porsche DO indeed have the resouces to track every car and owner especially in the relatively small UK market which, with its premiums for GT cars is unique and what we are referring to here.

The whole system for GT cars is of course now completely changed post the 'Boltongate' deposit debacle. Letters of intent are effectively history now, being replaced by an invitation by the OPC for past customers they knowvto show interest in specific GT cars, this being determined by their knowledge of past custom and profiling via previous GT car buying history at that OPC, spending power, likelihood of future purchases and amount spent, warranty and servicing work as a result of previous sales and proximity to the OPC itself.

Proximity less so as there are a lot of people with great relationships with OPC's who lives miles apart. Cardiff for example has people from all over the UK come to buy their cars. If this was to change then they would effectively ps off a large portion of their top customer base.

[av185]

Fokker said:

The buckets are very upright, some people have spent hours in them and love them but if you're used to a reclined driving position you'll probably not like them.
Personally I find them comfortable.

The folding buckets are slightly more 'reclined', narrower at the hips but wider at the shoulders than the new lightweight buckets.

[Fokker]

av185 said:

The folding buckets are slightly more 'reclined', narrower at the hips but wider at the shoulders than the new lightweight buckets.

He doesn't say if they were folding or full but the issue with the folding buckets for me and always has been is that they are relatively high.
I always feel like I am sitting on the car not in it whereas the full buckets allow you to sit as low as you like due to the adjustment.

[anissut]

av185 said:

The folding buckets are slightly more 'reclined', narrower at the hips but wider at the shoulders than the new lightweight buckets.

I have the lightweight buckets and you're right they are pretty upright. Once you're in the seat they are very comfortable. What I have noticed though is wearing a thick coat or jacket makes it even more upright. I'm 5ft 10 and fairly broad shouldered. The height adjustment helps with finding the right position.

[spareparts]

mattiemerc said:

I have been told that GT4 production has finished.

Makes sense with the new model out now.

My lock down date is not until April.

[sone]

anissut said:

sone said:

I've no doubt it will, I've had a few calls, a couple of low ball cash offers from dealers and a couple offering me Sor services. Also couple of private buyers showing an interest. I think finance might be a stumbling block for some but it'll find it's place I'm sure.
In the meantime the weathers crap so I don't think I'm missing out(-:

Interested to know what the couple of low ball cash offers from dealers were if you're willing to share.

Suffice to say not high enough and a bit irrelevant to be honest.

[RSVP911]

spareparts said:

My lock down date is not until April.

Hi there - is this June Production ?

[Sam All]

RSVP911 said:

spareparts said:

My lock down date is not until April.

Hi there - is this June Production ?

Osnabruck has capacity as the switch to the 718 takes place.

[Jon666]

New Cayman not out yet. Spyder production ending but no end announced for GT4 yet.