12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[bcr5784]

anonymous said:

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But for a much higher cost of ownership - depreciation would be epic. Far better to start with a car that is more focused to start with. Even modified Caterhams suffer severe depreciation ("standard" ones hardly depreciate at all). And if a Caterham is too focused on the driving experience for you, there is always Lotus.

[m88ony]

Twinfan said:

i completely agree! They should be proper stripped out hardcore cars - none should have AC, radio, sensors, heated seats etc.

AC is a god send during a summer Euro road trip to the ring!!! Trust me it's needed!

[waremark]

Presume the no AC comments are tongue in cheek? If not, nonsense! As an occasional track day driver, for me it's hard work and I have the AC on cold. And surely if what you want is a pure track day car you wouldn't start with a GT4 - which IMO is a perfect car for a B road blast. I would choose a lux spec with which it is still suitable for a track day while also being a lovely road car.

[gtsralph]

In case this is not well known, there is a GT4 USA database compiled by a keen owner...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hr3SxleOGr...

Thread http://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/885263-gt4-database...

[BubblesNW]

gtsralph said:

In case this is not well known, there is a GT4 USA database compiled by a keen owner...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hr3SxleOGr...

Thread http://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/885263-gt4-database...

Makes Ian's previous attempts look poor by comparison, I hope he is suitable ashamed...

[mdianuk]

BubblesNW said:

Makes Ian's previous attempts look poor by comparison, I hope he is suitable ashamed...

haha, it is an impressive report (mine was just an analysis of cars for sale).

[HokumPokum]

tbh, I have ac because it was free. if like the Cayman R it was a cost option, I would have skipped it.

Track days are not like endurance racing, 20-30min stints should NOT kill even in mid summer (at least in the UK), but killer for resale.

Free kinda takes the argument away though.....

Edited by HokumPokum on Friday 21st October 12:44

[braddo]

m88ony said:

Twinfan said:

i completely agree! They should be proper stripped out hardcore cars - none should have AC, radio, sensors, heated seats etc.

AC is a god send during a summer Euro road trip to the ring!!! Trust me it's needed!

And I think cruise control has a place on GT cars - all those circuits one wants to visit can be a long motorway schlep away. Cruise control can allow a sustained Slightly Cheeky speed with less fatigue, as well as ensuring one does not accidentally stray into the Very Cheeky speed zone.

[anonymous-user]

gtsralph said:

In case this is not well known, there is a GT4 USA database compiled by a keen owner...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hr3SxleOGr...

Thread http://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/885263-gt4-database...

One of the most interesting items (PTS colour selection) isn't specified. Why go to all the trouble and exclude what is likely available data if owners have contributed?

[Fokker]

mdianuk said:

haha, it is an impressive report (mine was just an analysis of cars for sale).

Ian you have to step things up. This puts you to shame! C'mon, break out the excel!

[mdianuk]

Fokker said:

Ian you have to step things up. This puts you to shame! C'mon, break out the excel!

Ha! Sadly with how things are at the moment, and the increased number of GT4's for sale, doing an updated report is impossible. I do keep an eye on the market though and will say this, high/sensible spec cars still go for £90k. Low spec/comfort cars for £83-£87k. Wrong time of year to sell, but equally a great opportunity for buyers.

[RSVP911]

mdianuk said:

Ha! Sadly with how things are at the moment, and the increased number of GT4's for sale, doing an updated report is impossible. I do keep an eye on the market though and will say this, high/sensible spec cars still go for £90k. Low spec/comfort cars for £83-£87k. Wrong time of year to sell, but equally a great opportunity for buyers.

IMHO , they have a fair way to fall yet as there are simply so many available - buyers pick I'm afraid - this is what happened with the GT3 , they'll go lower , lots will sell and then they will stabilise and rise a bit, if they follow the 3 that is. Either way none of this matters still amazing car / value if purchased at list - enjoy

[RSVP911]

mdianuk said:

Ha! Sadly with how things are at the moment, and the increased number of GT4's for sale, doing an updated report is impossible. I do keep an eye on the market though and will say this, high/sensible spec cars still go for £90k. Low spec/comfort cars for £83-£87k. Wrong time of year to sell, but equally a great opportunity for buyers.

IMHO , they have a fair way to fall yet as there are simply so many available - buyers pick I'm afraid - this is what happened with the GT3 , they'll go lower , lots will sell and then they will stabilise and rise a bit, if they follow the 3 that is. Either way none of this matters still amazing car / value if purchased at list - enjoy

Edited by RSVP911 on Friday 21st October 18:38

[hunter 66]

Like the CS .....

[bcr5784]

anonymous said:

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Agree with some of that - putting 50k on a GT4 is probably not a good idea if you are intent on getting good resale. BUT putting major mods on a 981 (even the S values are still very high, I'm delighted to say, if not as good as GTSs) UNLESS you can remove them afterwards (or it's so old you don't care) is a seriously bad idea. Few dealers will touch a significantly modded car with a barge pole, and few private buyers will take a different view. There are few buyers who will buy from a private seller anyway (I'm one of them) - and I wouldn't touch a modded car with a barge pole either.

But why would you want to? Even a stripped out Cayster is a big heavy lump and there are better track day cars out there - and any Cayster so modded would be a narrowly focused road car. Rose joints? Not most peoples cup of tea on the road - not even most Caterham owners.

[Sierra Mike]

av185 said:

bcr5784 said:

av185 said:

Without attaching too much weight to the GT4s praises by many respected Journos together with the Ecoty win, beating the GT3 RS and Mclaren, are you saying the GT4 is without outstanding ability in contradiction to its numerous road tests etc?

Yes, there are quicker cars, but as a complete package especially as a road car it takes some beating especially at the money.

Not at all, but lets be realistic, as a road car (as opposed to a track day weapon) most people's needs would be better served by a 981S or GTS - other than the not inconsiderable matter of depreciation. And were production of the GT4 unlimited, most would choose a more mainstream model, and a GT4 would depreciate just like other models in the range.

Nope your logic is nonsense.....why would 'most peoples needs' be better served by a more mainstream 981?? Is this PH?? I have driven a GTS at length and ran a 981 Cayman S loaner over 8k miles whilst the 991 GT3 engine issues were resolved and can confirm these cars come nowhere near and are chalk and cheese compared to a GT4, which , and as GT4P has confirmed is a fantastic road car. I would go so far as to say the GT4 is actually a better road car than the 991 GT3 in so far as it is more engaging at lower speeds and you don't have to be 'on it' as much at ridiculously high speeds....one of the advantages of a non GT engine.

+1 however I'd still like to see a GT engine in the GT4.

I felt the the 911 GT3 never came close to a GT4 in terms of driver engagement and fun on the road. I blame the PDK, not the engine.

[bcr5784]

Sierra Mike said:

+1 however I'd still like to see a GT engine in the GT4.

I felt the the 911 GT3 never came close to a GT4 in terms of driver engagement and fun on the road. I blame the PDK, not the engine.

Be realistic - the great majority of Porker owners specify PDK, we are talking about niche market not mainstream cars.

[av185]

Sierra Mike said:

+1 however I'd still like to see a GT engine in the GT4.

I felt the the 911 GT3 never came close to a GT4 in terms of driver engagement and fun on the road. I blame the PDK, not the engine.

Yes I think the PDK was part of the issue although I still rate the PDK S as being eminently suitable to the car and actually better than the 458 F1 box. The other aspect being the GT4 FEELS more compact like a go cart and generally more chuckable and even more fun than the GT3 despite both cars being identical widths mirror to mirror at 1978mm.

[Sierra Mike]

bcr5784 said:

Sierra Mike said:

+1 however I'd still like to see a GT engine in the GT4.

I felt the the 911 GT3 never came close to a GT4 in terms of driver engagement and fun on the road. I blame the PDK, not the engine.

Be realistic - the great majority of Porker owners specify PDK, we are talking about niche market not mainstream cars.

The GT3 is niche, not mainstream. It should only ever have been sold with manual in my opinion with the RS only available with PDK. We'll see what happens with the second generation.

av185 said:

Sierra Mike said:

+1 however I'd still like to see a GT engine in the GT4.

I felt the the 911 GT3 never came close to a GT4 in terms of driver engagement and fun on the road. I blame the PDK, not the engine.

Yes I think the PDK was part of the issue although I still rate the PDK S as being eminently suitable to the car and actually better than the 458 F1 box. The other aspect being the GT4 FEELS more compact like a go cart and generally more chuckable and even more fun than the GT3 despite both cars being identical widths mirror to mirror at 1978mm.

I agree the PDK-S was well suited to the 991 GT3 but it still contributed to the lack of driver engagement on the road. I'm really looking forward to seeing a manual only option for the 991.2 GT3 ... fingers crossed. Again I agree with regards to the GT4. It's well proportioned compared to the 991 and mid-engined to boot (no pun intended!). Driving the 991 back to back with the 997 made it clear just how much of a longer car the 991 is.

[bcr5784]

Sierra Mike said:

I agree the PDK-S was well suited to the 991 GT3 but it still contributed to the lack of driver engagement on the road. I'm really looking forward to seeing a manual only option for the 991.2 GT3 ... fingers crossed. Again I agree with regards to the GT4. It's well proportioned compared to the 991 and mid-engined to boot (no pun intended!). Driving the 991 back to back with the 997 made it clear just how much of a longer car the 991 is.

I really can't see why those who want PDK shouldn't have the choice - and those that want manual should have that too. Let's face it most GT4s for sale have loads of trinkets - most have PCM, climate control, etc even CRUISE control. (Don't get me started on contrasting stitching, PTS etc) And the odd ones that don't are generally priced well below those that do. So clearly that is what at least the majority of the market wants.