12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[WCZ]

Fokker said:

Crikey, that is a lot of movement. I think you could be right as they're good value when you now consider that the GT3 is £111,000 without spec so even a poverty spec car is going to be in the high hundred teens.
We're only in March!! I see there are still 18 Cayman GTS' on the used locator. I reckon a few owners have been getting themselves into the GT4 realising that the price seems to be stable now and the realisation that they're not coming down any time soon.

the new gt3 has a good/permissible spec as standard iirc ?
a gt4 on avg is £90k, imo for a £20k premium the gt3 is much better value

[Twinfan]

WCZ said:

the new gt3 has a good/permissible spec as standard iirc ?
a gt4 on avg is £90k, imo for a £20k premium the gt3 is much better value

I agree, the engine alone is worth that!

However, supply of a GT3 at list is the issue.

[chrisABP]

WCZ said:

the new gt3 has a good/permissible spec as standard iirc ?
a gt4 on avg is £90k, imo for a £20k premium the gt3 is much better value

You are forgetting the most critical point here WCZ - You can't buy a new GT3! (Unless you have bought 30 cars of them in the last 3 years, your brother / sister / uncle etc is an OPC dealer principal or some other unknown golden entrance ticket...!) Pretty sure 991.2 GT3 cars will be coming up for sale from the usual suspects at +£30k overs so the actual difference will be £50k between that and a GT4.

[Fokker]

WCZ said:

the new gt3 has a good/permissible spec as standard iirc ?
a gt4 on avg is £90k, imo for a £20k premium the gt3 is much better value

Not really much better value in my opinion. £111000 standard - you want to paint your wheels in Platinum or black, £716. You want buckets, which a lot do, £3324. You want leather, £2147. Even 18 seats are £1734 - You also need Axel lift so that other £1600. Thats £119600 plus on the road costs of I think £2000 now with the new tax prices so you're at £121500 by clicking 3 boxes so that's £31500 not £20000 difference over a GT4.

A lot of people buying a 90k GT4 won't just be able to pay the extra £31500 for a GT3 and a medium spec one at that.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PJX9UN16 - This is what I would consider a minimum spec £119705 or save 1500 quid if you spec 18 way seats due to not wanting buckets.

Of course you could look at the GT3 as a bargain due to the fact that one can flip / sell on quickly for a good £40-50k premium within days to the JZM's of this world. Then it makes it a bargain but of course, none of us on here are going to do that, are we?!

[theRossatron]

chrisABP said:

You are forgetting the most critical point here WCZ - You can't buy a new GT3! (Unless you have bought 30 cars of them in the last 3 years, your brother / sister / uncle etc is an OPC dealer principal or some other unknown golden entrance ticket...!) Pretty sure 991.2 GT3 cars will be coming up for sale from the usual suspects at +£30k overs so the actual difference will be £50k between that and a GT4.

Indeed, if that comparison is to be made it should really be list price of the GT4 vs the list price of the GT3...

No idea what the overs will be on the GT3 but my guess is it will be substantial!

[BubblesNW]

theRossatron said:

chrisABP said:

You are forgetting the most critical point here WCZ - You can't buy a new GT3! (Unless you have bought 30 cars of them in the last 3 years, your brother / sister / uncle etc is an OPC dealer principal or some other unknown golden entrance ticket...!) Pretty sure 991.2 GT3 cars will be coming up for sale from the usual suspects at +£30k overs so the actual difference will be £50k between that and a GT4.

Indeed, if that comparison is to be made it should really be list price of the GT4 vs the list price of the GT3...

No idea what the overs will be on the GT3 but my guess is it will be substantial!

I'm very confident to bet a virtual beer that we will see a 991.2GT3 for sale >£200k before the end of the year at the usual sources...JZM, Romans, Hartley etc.

I think £30k overs is being very conservative. I would think £50k+ is more realistic in today's market. Especially when the journos are saying what a bargain it is at list.

Edited by BubblesNW on Thursday 23 March 13:59

[boxsey]

Fokker said:

Not really much better value in my opinion. £111000 standard - you want to paint your wheels in Platinum or black, £716. You want buckets, which a lot do, £3324. You want leather, £2147. Even 18 seats are £1734 - You also need Axel lift so that other £1600. Thats £119600 plus on the road costs of I think £2000 now with the new tax prices so you're at £121500 by clicking 3 boxes so that's £31500 not £20000 difference over a GT4.

A lot of people buying a 90k GT4 won't just be able to pay the extra £31500 for a GT3 and a medium spec one at that.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PJX9UN16 - This is what I would consider a minimum spec £119705 or save 1500 quid if you spec 18 way seats due to not wanting buckets.

I agree with your spec price for a GT3 which does indeed mean it will be at least £31.5K more than a £90K GT4. However I would argue that the new GT3 is still much better value on paper because the GT3 is new while the GT4 is probably now two years old. This is of course dependent on the ability for someone to simply order a new GT3 because they want to. Which I know is a ridiculous idea.

If it were still possible to choose between a new GT4 (specced to a price of between £75K and £80K) then I would find it to be a more even choice. I suspect I would then choose the GT4. Which I know is another ridiculous idea!

[Fokker]

boxsey said:

I agree with your spec price for a GT3 which does indeed mean it will be at least £31.5K more than a £90K GT4. However I would argue that the new GT3 is still much better value on paper because the GT3 is new while the GT4 is probably now two years old. This is of course dependent on the ability for someone to simply order a new GT3 because they want to. Which I know is a ridiculous idea.

If it were still possible to choose between a new GT4 (specced to a price of between £75K and £80K) then I would find it to be a more even choice. I suspect I would then choose the GT4. Which I know is another ridiculous idea!

Or buy a nice Cayman R and save even more money!

I've actually just bought another GT4 for the summer to have some fun in as I was missing the manual shift. You'll be even happier to hear that its in white!

[GT4P]

My gt4 otr price was £72k a 991.2gt3 ( if I was lucky to get one would be about £122k otr lightly specd similar to my gt4 so £50k more!
In the overs world a nice low miles GT4 is about £90k a GT 3 overs is going to look like £180k + so a real world £90k+ difference or the price of a gt4 and a 981 Spyder!

[Porsche911R]

see above, spec for spec £50k is about right list on the cost of the new GT3, at overs it will be more like £75k between the 2 cars.

[mdianuk]

For a bit of real world clarity, my GT4 spec was around £73k; the GT3 with the same spec would be £119k, so £46k difference. More than 50% of the car again is a lot, which might be why GT4 sales continue to be very positive.

[av185]

BubblesNW said:

I'm very confident to bet a virtual beer that we will see a 991.2GT3 for sale >£200k before the end of the year at the usual sources...JZM, Romans, Hartley etc.

I think £30k overs is being very conservative. I would think £50k+ is more realistic in today's market. Especially when the journos are saying what a bargain it is at list.

Edited by BubblesNW on Thursday 23 March 13:59

Yes, most consider the 991.2 GT3 will be RS money I.e. £200k + within a short time. After all, it is the same car potentially with a better higher revving engine. And a bargain compared to the R which imo is too expensive.

The GT4 at approaching £100k is still great value....a fantastic package at the money and certainly easily worth half of the potential value of the new GT3.

[waremark]

av185 said:

Yes, most consider the 991.2 GT3 will be RS money I.e. £200k + within a short time. After all, it is the same car potentially with a better higher revving engine. And a bargain compared to the R which imo is too expensive.

The GT4 at approaching £100k is still great value....a fantastic package at the money and certainly easily worth half of the potential value of the new GT3.

Of course the GT3 is/will be a better car, but will it actually be any more enjoyable to use on the road?

I consider the GT4 to be a great road car. 380 bhp seems ideal to me for UK B road driving. 500 bhp is becoming challenging to use.

Now for a track car, I would take a GT3 with PDK in a flash.

Can someone explain how the new GT3 with manual will relate to the 911R, and what that will do to 911R desirability and values?

[Shiverman]

Fokker said:

Or buy a nice Cayman R and save even more money!

I've actually just bought another GT4 for the summer to have some fun in as I was missing the manual shift. You'll be even happier to hear that its in white!

Have you sold the 991GTS in readiness for an incoming GT3 or running it alongside?

I'm interested to hear what you think going back to the GT4 as they are an interesting proposition at current prices, but I'm thinking is it like an old girlfriend - best left as a memory of great things and time to move on and experience new adventures as when you revisit you remember all the reasons it didn't work out first time?

[GT3cs]

Shiverman said:

Have you sold the 991GTS in readiness for an incoming GT3 or running it alongside?

I'm interested to hear what you think going back to the GT4 as they are an interesting proposition at current prices, but I'm thinking is it like an old girlfriend - best left as a memory of great things and time to move on and experience new adventures as when you revisit you remember all the reasons it didn't work out first time?

Haha , I'm in exactly he same position . Sold the GT4 Aug after 4000m . Been in a Targa GTS briefly then a 981 Spyder for some road trips back end of the year . Currently in a Macan Turbo PP for the winter . I have a Confirmed GT3 coming, but likely to late to enjoy this year so what do I do for this summer .... I've been thinking about another GT4 .

I known when I sold I was ready for a change so am I looking back through rose tinted glasses .... other options

987 Spyder ( if I can find one ) never had one but loved the Cayman R's I had
991.1 GTS
991.2 GTS 2wd manual (new)

Or another GT4 .

Edited by GT3cs on Friday 24th March 05:46

[Trikster]

Well the Porstmouth blue one has gone; just chatting with the guy picking it up a waiting for a fix on the Macan - sounds like he's going to use it properly too

[Fokker]

GT3cs said:

Haha , I'm in exactly he same position . Sold the GT4 Aug after 4000m . Been in a Targa GTS briefly then a 981 Spyder for some road trips back end of the year . Currently in a Macan Turbo PP for the winter . I have a Confirmed GT3 coming, but likely to late to enjoy this year so what do I do for this summer .... I've been thinking about another GT4 .

I known when I sold I was ready for a change so am I looking back through rose tinted glasses .... other options

987 Spyder ( if I can find one ) never had one but loved the Cayman R's I had
991.1 GTS
991.2 GTS 2wd manual (new)

Or another GT4 .

Edited by GT3cs on Friday 24th March 05:46

In response to you and Shiverman - I like the ex GF analogy! I have a problem basically, like a lot of you out there and i fully admit it! The chase is just addictive.
I'd done between 4 and 5k in the GT4 in a relatively short space of time, 5.5 months and so perhaps I was GT4'd out?! The flat spot in the rev range used to annoy me when in 3rd gear but after a few laps at the RS day with Bubbles in his red GT4, it rekindled my want and now that I have track day cover with my new insurer, Mannings, I am going to track it a bit. I just didn't feel happy tracking the GTS as to me its more of a road car although I'm pretty sure it would have been fine.
The GT4 is also a very good looking car so I'll be happy to stare at it once again and take in its scoops, gorgeous looking wheels and other design features while it sits there plastered in road grime!

Rose tinted glasses (?), well yes possibly but I do remember very fondly the manual box and that's the main reason I am going back. PDK is very effective but I find its too clinical. It's suited well to the GT3 with its higher revving nature. I'm lucky enough to have a Cayenne S diesel so after owning the GTS, not that its as civilised as the Cayenne but I want a more opposite driving experience / weekend fun car as against a car that'll do it all like the GTS. The other reasons are the buckets and the sticky tyres. Cornering / handling in the GTS is great but the GT4 gave a better, more exhilarating experience. For what it's worth, the steering wheel in the GTS is also too big but thats a small gripe and something they've addressed on the new one.. The cabin in the GT4 feels smaller even though width is the same and the car more chuckable just going on my current GTS experience. I will be able to report more next week after i collect the GT4 and drive back to Cardiff from up North down through the middle of Wales.

Due to where I live, I have great roads on my doorstep so my thoughts were to make the most of it over the summer. I have some car stuff planned plus a couple of good weekend drives with my brothers who'll be in a a TVR Sag and a Caterham 420R so I'm after a bit more of a hoon-mobile, something a little more anti-social! I've gone for a white car with black wheels, LWBS, full leather grey stitching, PCM, cruise, dig radio and PDLS with not much else so its what you might call a mid spec. Its a departure from my usual tastes in colour so actually looking forward to that too. I know that the engine in the GTS is better, more free revving and urgent having the power-kit, I love that about the GTS as well as the cabin howl which is divine. I might be getting out of it at the wrong time as i firmly believe the 991.1 GTS will be a very desirable 911 as its the last of the N/A cars so I could be making a bad decision but its all about the driving and thats why I'm going back at least until I get a new GT3 which I am hopeful of.

Edited by Fokker on Friday 24th March 11:01

[boxsey]

Fokker said:

In response to you and Shiverman - I like the ex GF analogy! I have a problem basically, like a lot of you out there and i fully admit it! The chase is just addictive.
I'd done between 4 and 5k in the GT4 in a relatively short space of time, 5.5 months and so perhaps I was GT4'd out?! The flat spot in the rev range used to annoy me when in 3rd gear but after a few laps at the RS day with Bubbles in his red GT4, it rekindled my want and now that I have track day cover with my new insurer, Mannings, I am going to track it a bit. I just didn't feel happy tracking the GTS as to me its more of a road car although I'm pretty sure it would have been fine.
The GT4 is also a very good looking car so I'll be happy to stare at it once again and take in its scoops, gorgeous looking wheels and other design features while it sits there plastered in road grime!

Good for you! Hope we see you on one of our GT4/CR track get togethers. As you saw on the RS day we have a nice little group that enjoy the track day craic. Bubbles is organizing the next one at Anglesey. Unfortunately I can make that one because of moving house.

[Fokker]

boxsey said:

Good for you! Hope we see you on one of our GT4/CR track get togethers. As you saw on the RS day we have a nice little group that enjoy the track day craic. Bubbles is organizing the next one at Anglesey. Unfortunately I can make that one because of moving house.

Hi Boxey,

Thanks for that, yes would be great to join you so count me in!

[BubblesNW]

Fokker said:

I'd done between 4 and 5k in the GT4 in a relatively short space of time, 5.5 months and so perhaps I was GT4'd out?!

Edited by Fokker on Friday 24th March 11:01

Coming back to the ex GF analogy, I suspect that covering 4-5k miles in 5.5 months she was very well and frequently used over that short period of time and driven enthusiastically...

We all know what type of girlfriend she was - which might be the appeal of getting back there once again