12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[Fokker]

BubblesNW said:

Coming back to the ex GF analogy, I suspect that covering 4-5k miles in 5.5 months she was very well and frequently used over that short period of time and driven enthusiastically...

We all know what type of girlfriend she was - which might be the appeal of getting back there once again

Haha, absolutely and it was still tight when I let it go! Luckily it didn't get the stage where it felt like I was throwing a hotdog down the high street!

[av185]

waremark said:

Of course the GT3 is/will be a better car, but will it actually be any more enjoyable to use on the road?

Can someone explain how the new GT3 with manual will relate to the 911R, and what that will do to 911R desirability and values?

The GT3 won't necessarily be a 'better' road car....just different. Subjectively a GT4 and PDK S GT3 could well be the only 2 cars you would ever need.

Also depends on what kind of driving roads we are talking about notwithstanding the obvious national speed limits. But there are undoubtedly more opportunities to get anywhere near the huge capabilities of the rewarding driving limits offered by both the GT4 and GT3 on 'northern' roads. Thats why most quality road tests head north of course....better scenery and better beer too!

Regarding the 911R I see these as taking a relative fall from grace following the introduction of the new GT3. Imo the winged GT3 looks better. Better higher revving engine. Same 'manuel' box too.

But clearly the R has more rarity factor on its side....essential for overs...and essential for collectors which is unfortunately where most will end up.

But even so in the short term at least the c £430k auction price recently achieved could well look too expensive very soon.

Edited by av185 on Friday 24th March 12:21

[BubblesNW]

av185 said:

The GT3 won't necessarily be a 'better' road car....just different. Subjectively a GT4 and PDK S GT3 could well be the only 2 cars you would ever need.

Also depends on what kind of driving roads we are talking about notwithstanding the obvious national speed limits. But there are undoubtedly more opportunities to get anywhere near the huge capabilities of the rewarding driving limits offered by both the GT4 and GT3 on 'northern' roads. Thats why most quality road tests head north of course....better scenery and better beer too!

Regarding the 911R I see these as taking a relative fall from grace following the introduction of the new GT3. Imo the winged GT3 looks better. Better higher revving engine. Same 'manuel' box too.

But clearly the R has more rarity factor on its side....essential for overs...and essential for collectors which is unfortunately where most will end up.

But even so in the short term at least the c £430k auction price recently achieved could well look too expensive very soon.

Edited by av185 on Friday 24th March 12:21

I agree with your logic on the 991R but recent prices being asked for a 997 Sports Classic (£395k) with only 8k miles at OPC Sheffield leads me to believe that 991R prices will remain stratospheric forever.

[trowelhead]

BubblesNW said:

I agree with your logic on the 991R but recent prices being asked for a 997 Sports Classic (£395k) with only 8k miles at OPC Sheffield leads me to believe that 991R prices will remain stratospheric forever.

wow - i had no idea they sold for that kind of money!

[boxsey]

BubblesNW said:

I agree with your logic on the 991R but recent prices being asked for a 997 Sports Classic (£395k) with only 8k miles at OPC Sheffield leads me to believe that 991R prices will remain stratospheric forever.

I think you're right. It seems to me that cars like the 911R create a sort of owners club. The members of the club have such assets that they're unlikely to get involved in any panic selling. If anything cars will pass to others that are capable of joining the club. A sort of high end pyramid car club so to speak.

[VerySideways]

boxsey said:

I think you're right. It seems to me that cars like the 911R create a sort of owners club. The members of the club have such assets that they're unlikely to get involved in any panic selling. If anything cars will pass to others that are capable of joining the club. A sort of high end pyramid car club so to speak.

I wonder how many of them will ever be driven "in anger".
The answer I anticipate makes me sad...

[av185]

BubblesNW said:

I agree with your logic on the 991R but recent prices being asked for a 997 Sports Classic (£395k) with only 8k miles at OPC Sheffield leads me to believe that 991R prices will remain stratospheric forever.

What a way to blow nearly £400k! Be interesting to know if any have actually been sold at anywhere near that figure.

Truly insane price.

Can't honestly see them at half that figure!

[av185]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

But the market always has 'rewarded' or values low mileages on any car. Always will. Bizarre if it didn't. Mileage equals depreciation. Not rocket science. No one in their right mind would pay the same for a 5000 mile car as a 500 mile car, especially an expensive relatively rare one such as the R.

As an example, at the end of the spectrum, take the humble Astra. Totally different car, different price but the principle is the same.

2 year old Astra 165 Elite. Cap clean 3k miles £9575. 13k miles £9075. 23k miles £8550.

So roughly £50 per thousand miles depreciation. £500 difference for 10k miles.

So quite a percentage difference considering the cars value. Entirely down to usage.

Its all relative.

[mdianuk]

Movement continues, Colchester and Reading cars removed (sold?); Tonbridge and Tewkesbury cars added.

16 OPC GT4's FOR SALE in total(since 11/11/2016)

Year	Colour	Mileage	Price	OPC	Brakes	Seats	Leather	Trim	Phone	Sat Nav	Clubsport	Link	Status
2016(65)	Black	3710	£87895	Tonbridge	Steel	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	No	No	Clicky	New addition
2015(65)	Red	1542	£87900	Portsmouth	Steel	Race	No	Anthracite	Yes	No	No	Clicky	Available
2015(65)	Yellow	4968	£87900	Reading	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	No	Yes	Clicky	Available
2015(65)	White	2490	£87995	Colchester	Steel	Sports	Yes	Leather	Yes	Yes	No	Clicky	Available
2015(65)	Grey	5633	£88995	East London	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	No	Yes	Clicky	Available
2016(16)	White	2000	£89981	Tewkesbury	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	Yes	Clicky	New addition
2016(16)	Yellow	550	£91900	Bournemouth	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Clicky	Available
2016(16)	Yellow	1996	£92500	Leeds	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Clicky	Available
2015(15)	Black	3500	£92991	Tewkesbury	Steel	Sports	Yes	Carbon	No	Yes	No	Clicky	Available
2016(16)	Silver	4682	£95000	Edinburgh	PCCB	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Clicky	Available
2015(65)	White	1050	£95000	Solihull	PCCB	Sports	Yes	Carbon	No	Yes	No	Clicky	Available
2016(16)	Yellow	3749	£95995	Kendal	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Clicky	Available
2016(16)	Blue	4868	£97000	Portsmouth	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Clicky	Available
2016(65)	Black	3492	£98981	Tewkesbury	PCCB	Race	Yes	Leather	Yes	Yes	No	Clicky	Available
2016(66)	Grey	2725	£98990	Cardiff	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Clicky	Available
2016(65)	Yellow	4760	£99990	Bristol	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Clicky	Available

59 OPC GT4's SOLD in total(since 11/11/2016)

Year	Colour	Mileage	Price	OPC	Brakes	Seats	Leather	Trim	Phone	Sat Nav	Clubsport	Status
2015(65)	Yellow	7326	£79000	Glasgow	Steel	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	No	No	Sold? ~11/11/2016
2016(65)	Blue	7364	£83000	Swindon	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~23/03/2017
2016(65)	Black	3145	£83990	Newcastle	Steel	Sports	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~28/11/2016
2015(65)	White	3641	£84990	Bristol	Steel	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~13/03/2017
2016(16)	White	1092	£84990	Cardiff	Steel	Sports	No	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~10/02/2017
2015(65)	Blue	9780	£84995	Colchester	Steel	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~31/12/2016
2015(65)	White	5299	£86990	Newcastle	Steel	Race	Yes	Anthracite	Yes	No	Yes	Sold? ~16/12/2016
2016(16)	Yellow	1042	£87000	Leicester	Steel	Sports	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~15/02/2017
2016(16)	Yellow	1350	£87000	Solihull	Steel	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~16/01/2017
2015(65)	Silver	1898	£87890	Leeds	Steel	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~07/02/2017
2016(16)	White	1197	£87990	Cardiff	Steel	Race	No	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~07/02/2017
2015(65)	White	3726	£88000	Leicester	Steel	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~09/12/2016
2015(65)	Red	2466	£88500	Leeds	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~20/02/2017
2015(65)	White	3948	£88981	Tewkesbury	Steel	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~12/01/2017
2015(65)	Yellow	759	£88990	Cardiff	PCCB	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~15/02/2017
2016(16)	Black	2092	£88990	Bristol	PCCB	Sports	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~23/01/2017
2015(65)	Red	4070	£89500	Glasgow	Steel	Race	Yes	Painted	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~05/12/2016
2015(65)	Red	782	£89500	Edinburgh	Steel	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~18/11/2016
2015(15)	Yellow	16021	£89900	Portsmouth	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~09/01/2017
2015(15)	White	3347	£89901	Nottingham	Steel	Sports	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~24/02/2017
2016(65)	White	2973	£89990	Wolverhampton	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~23/03/2017
2016(16)	Yellow	4305	£89990	Newcastle	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	No	Yes	Sold? ~20/01/2017
2015(65)	White	1385	£89990	Bristol	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~05/01/2017
2016(16)	Red	2199	£89991	Chester	Steel	Race	No	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~13/03/2017
2016(16)	Red	5472	£89995	Colchester	Steel	Race	Yes	Anthracite	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~27/03/2017
2016(65)	White	2260	£89995	Colchester	Steel	Sports	Yes	Anthracite	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~19/12/2016
2016(16)	Black	1692	£89995	Colchester	Steel	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~16/12/2016
2016(16)	Silver	230	£89995	Tonbridge	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~12/12/2016
2015(65)	Blue	3274	£90000	Edinburgh	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~27/02/2017
2015(65)	Grey	2755	£90900	Reading	Steel	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~27/03/2017
2016(16)	Black	3372	£90990	Cardiff	Steel	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~28/12/2016
2016(65)	Black	50	£91990	Swindon	Steel	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~31/12/2016
2016(16)	Blue	1400	£92000	Guildford	Steel	Race	Yes	Anthracite	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~23/03/2017
2015(65)	Blue	2286	£92000	Edinburgh	Steel	Race	Yes	Painted	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~30/01/2017
2016(16)	White	3925	£92401	Sutton Coldfield	Steel	Race	No	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~13/03/2017
2015(65)	Grey	5569	£92790	Leeds	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~17/03/2017
2016(66)	Black	1107	£92900	Hatfield	Steel	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~23/03/2017
2015(65)	Yellow	3660	£92981	Tewkesbury	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~07/03/2017
2016(16)	Grey	1356	£92990	Wolverhampton	Steel	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~23/03/2017
2015(65)	White	1065	£92995	Colchester	Steel	Race	No	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~31/12/2016
2016(16)	White	6012	£93000	Aberdeen	PCCB	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~13/03/2017
2016(65)	Black	1655	£93000	Mid Sussex	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~20/01/2017
2016(65)	Red	715	£93000	Mid Sussex	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~21/12/2016
2016(16)	Blue(PTS)	1431	£93990	Cardiff	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~21/11/2016
2016(65)	Black	50	£94000	East London	Steel	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~23/11/2016
2015(15)	Red	899	£94850	Exeter	PCCB	Sports	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~10/02/2017
2015(65)	Blue	1300	£95000	Solihull	Steel	Race	Yes	Leather	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~31/12/2016
2015(65)	Yellow	754	£95990	Cardiff	PCCB	Sports	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~10/02/2017
2016(16)	Silver	975	£96490	Newcastle	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~23/03/2017
2016(16)	Yellow	344	£96850	Exeter	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~30/01/2017
2016(16)	Red	3012	£96995	Portsmouth	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~23/03/2017
2015(65)	Silver	1000	£97000	Silverstone	Steel	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~20/02/2017
2016(16)	Silver	20	£99500	Solihull	PCCB	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~11/11/2016
2016(65)	Blue	713	£99990	Bolton	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~07/03/2017
2016(65)	Blue	90	£99995	Brooklands	Steel	Race	Yes	Brushed	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~23/03/2017
2016(16)	Blue	700	£100000	Solihull	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~21/11/2016
2016(16)	Black	3200	£101000	Solihull	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~15/02/2017
2016(16)	Green(PTS)	3500	£102000	Solihull	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	No	Sold? ~21/11/2016
2016(16)	Red	2300	£102000	Solihull	PCCB	Race	Yes	Carbon	Yes	Yes	Yes	Sold? ~19/12/2016

Edited by mdianuk on Tuesday 28th March 08:25

Edited by mdianuk on Tuesday 28th March 11:06

[Mario149]

bcr5784 said:

Slippydiff said:

Have you been living in a cave ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULIuS_wO6o0&fe...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHSX3H11ALo

No - just in the UK. It is amazing that given the manual gearbox ratios have been so widely critised that an alternative is so low profile.

Edited by bcr5784 on Saturday 18th March 21:28

Talk about a missed opportunity, it was second gear that really needed changing, a shorter 3rd and 4th etc is nice to have, but for being able to use the more of the engine revs more of the time 2nd gear was the key.

[ClarkeyDiem]

mdianuk: I just wanted to say that Ive been following the Sale and Sold update for a while now. Top Job

And indeed, the whole thread is a great source of info

Im a bit of a (positive vibe) lurker...so much so that I "might" be one of those that really tried to be content with a CGTS but got drawn to a GT4 (despite the overs)...

I drove the yellow preprod car at PEC and really really wanted to come away saying..."ah Yes the CGTS is 90% of a GT4 and thats all I need" etc etc....but.....the major imprint that the GT4 left was the steering "feeeeeel".. I realy didnt want to like it so much, but it made the CGTS feel wooden and disconnected in comparison (recognising that the B/CGTS are great cars.

I had 2 718 manuals as courtesy cars and that was the slippery slope back to a manual...

The Man Maths from a (PDK) CGTS was relatively easy: 911 engine, proper GT car, great looking front and rear with +ve downforce, GT3 front end(ish), great wheel design, all new rear suspension, GT3 brakes, sportstdesign wing mirrors, big wing, LWBs, manual, LSD etc

BTW, not sure anybody else has done this: I was thinking of reusing my front and rear frunk/boot liners from the CGTS and neither of them fit - a bit surprising...more mods to the BIW than you would think??...

Just to say (not having a pop) that the white Colchester car looks too good to be true because it is...the linky goes to a car with Sports seats and c2500 miles.

Keep up the good work...

[Fokker]

ClarkeyDiem said:

mdianuk: I just wanted to say that Ive been following the Sale and Sold update for a while now. Top Job

And indeed, the whole thread is a great source of info

Im a bit of a (positive vibe) lurker...so much so that I "might" be one of those that really tried to be content with a CGTS but got drawn to a GT4 (despite the overs)...

I drove the yellow preprod car at PEC and really really wanted to come away saying..."ah Yes the CGTS is 90% of a GT4 and thats all I need" etc etc....but.....the major imprint that the GT4 left was the steering "feeeeeel".. I realy didnt want to like it so much, but it made the CGTS feel wooden and disconnected in comparison (recognising that the B/CGTS are great cars.

I had 2 718 manuals as courtesy cars and that was the slippery slope back to a manual...

The Man Maths from a (PDK) CGTS was relatively easy: 911 engine, proper GT car, great looking front and rear with +ve downforce, GT3 front end(ish), great wheel design, all new rear suspension, GT3 brakes, sportstdesign wing mirrors, big wing, LWBs, manual, LSD etc

BTW, not sure anybody else has done this: I was thinking of reusing my front and rear frunk/boot liners from the CGTS and neither of them fit - a bit surprising...more mods to the BIW than you would think??...

Just to say (not having a pop) that the white Colchester car looks too good to be true because it is...the linky goes to a car with Sports seats and c2500 miles.

Keep up the good work...

Great first post Clarkey. You'll be hooked now!

Congrats on the GT4 which car did you buy?

[anonymous-user]

ClarkeyDiem said:

mdianuk: I just wanted to say that Ive been following the Sale and Sold update for a while now. Top Job

And indeed, the whole thread is a great source of info

Im a bit of a (positive vibe) lurker...so much so that I "might" be one of those that really tried to be content with a CGTS but got drawn to a GT4 (despite the overs)...

I drove the yellow preprod car at PEC and really really wanted to come away saying..."ah Yes the CGTS is 90% of a GT4 and thats all I need" etc etc....but.....the major imprint that the GT4 left was the steering "feeeeeel".. I realy didnt want to like it so much, but it made the CGTS feel wooden and disconnected in comparison (recognising that the B/CGTS are great cars.

I had 2 718 manuals as courtesy cars and that was the slippery slope back to a manual...

The Man Maths from a (PDK) CGTS was relatively easy: 911 engine, proper GT car, great looking front and rear with +ve downforce, GT3 front end(ish), great wheel design, all new rear suspension, GT3 brakes, sportstdesign wing mirrors, big wing, LWBs, manual, LSD etc

BTW, not sure anybody else has done this: I was thinking of reusing my front and rear frunk/boot liners from the CGTS and neither of them fit - a bit surprising...more mods to the BIW than you would think??...

Just to say (not having a pop) that the white Colchester car looks too good to be true because it is...the linky goes to a car with Sports seats and c2500 miles.

Keep up the good work...

Sorry for not trimming. Pistonheads haven't heard that mobile is a 'thing' and it's impossible to scroll select and delete.

I have the trunk and frunk liners for my GT4 and they're a 981 series part so would expect them to fit. Can you post a pic - can confirm if they're the same. I know the 987 series don't.

[TDT]

I drove the Agate Grey car @ Reading on Friday.... and bought it.

Moving up from PDK X73 Cayman GTS to the GT4. Previously owned PDK 997 GTS 2 Coupe.

I had given up on what to replace the Cayman GTS with, because the 981 package is awesome - it's the right size for the UK and practical with its two boots and decent equipment level and comfort as well as class defining driving dynamics.
Shortlisted and driven a number of cars -
McLaren 570s - was thinking about the 570GT - a lot of car, beautiful drive with so much performance but didn't feel it was right for me - super car lairy with the doors and I'm not that rockstar yet.
Mercedes AMG GT S - fast, luxurious, sounds like thunder but the feel through the helm and chassis is disconnected when you're used to Porsche dynamics.
991.2 GTS - lovely car but I think if I was going turbo, I want the big block Turbo, and that the 3.0l turbos are a mid step before the all new platform comes in

I thought I'd finally decided to keep the GTS for longer - had it from new isince 2014, as my daily, but over recent weeks started to become a bit frustrated with it, as I wanted it to feel more special - The GT4 is special.
Combination of manual gear box which actually I now realised I have missed for driving engagement. 918 Buckets, huge brakes, roll cage, big wing and of course the 3.8 flat six.

I'd been planning how to make the GTS more special - looking at headers and tuning packages, drive train and chassis, but the problem is that I'd be throwing money at it and really what I wanted was some that was more special from the start.

Started to think I'd ask my local dealer to keep an eye out for a GT4 or 981 Spyder and let me know.
I popped into the dealership on Friday for a general sniff of what was new - as I walk through the car park, Tom, head of sales says … "what you here for, T?" I say "general look", he says… "GT3 or GT4?" We walk through the door and there it is right at reception and the keys are handed to me… "take your time… then let's have a chat…"

I have always respected and hankered after a GT4, whilst also being a big advocate that the GTS was all I'd ever need for the road, and a PDK 981 GTS really is a weapon, BUT, after driving that GT4 - first turn of the wheel and first shift - I knew I was wrong and that I'd been bitten. Where do I sign.… please.

GT4 has a familiar layout but really feels like a different car to the series 981 and that's because it is different with a completely bespoke rear axle and chassis set up. Thing that surprised me most was the pliancy of the ride on the PASM vs the X73 in the GTS. GT4 is just more sophisticated - plain and simple - it's evident right away, it even puts the power down better as a result.

To keep the GT4 for real driving, I'll be picking up something on lease to take car of daily duties, and we also have a GLA.
This particular car has really been cared for in perfect condition and barely run in, which the CS ancillaries nicely in boxes. Thank you Mr Previous Owner.

This car won't be a garage queen whilst in my care - I plan to keep it for a long time and am not worried about putting good driving miles on it because I believe this is the car I've been looking for in my Porsche journey so far - something that will grow on me - that I'll learn, can be adjusted, has been built to take the punishment and will deliver rewards.

Should be picking up on the weekend - I can't wait.

Edited by TDT on Monday 27th March 23:06

[ClarkeyDiem]

Fokker: youre right, looking forward to the journey. I bought the Guards Red mid spec car at Leeds OPC, hadn't bought from them before. Whilst clearly relieving me of funds, they did it with style

Mutema: Thanks for the info, you've made me question myself now;) Ill try again tonight, but pretty sure the standard liners don't fit - perhaps there are specific 981 GT4 part numbers? Don't do pics but will measure them up

TDT: very similar journey to you: CGTS, X73 PDK to GT4 and agree your "logic"

Lets be honest, we are lucky bu88ers;)

[mdianuk]

ClarkeyDiem said:

Just to say (not having a pop) that the white Colchester car looks too good to be true because it is...the linky goes to a car with Sports seats and c2500 miles.

Thanks for letting me know, I'm sure there are other errors too, especially when cars are first published, as the spec they submit isn't always right. Edited now.

[VerySideways]

TDT said:

I drove the Agate Grey car @ Reading on Friday.... and bought it.

.....

What a brilliant post.
So much is touted about the GTS and GT4 but your comparison makes perfect sense.

[Porsche911R]

TDT said:

I drove the Agate Grey car @ Reading on Friday.... and bought it.

Moving up from PDK X73 Cayman GTS to the GT4. Previously owned PDK 997 GTS 2 Coupe.

I had given up on what to replace the Cayman GTS with, because the 981 package is awesome - it's the right size for the UK and practical with its two boots and decent equipment level and comfort as well as class defining driving dynamics.
Shortlisted and driven a number of cars -
McLaren 570s - was thinking about the 570GT - a lot of car, beautiful drive with so much performance but didn't feel it was right for me - super car lairy with the doors and I'm not that rockstar yet.
Mercedes AMG GT S - fast, luxurious, sounds like thunder but the feel through the helm and chassis is disconnected when you're used to Porsche dynamics.
991.2 GTS - lovely car but I think if I was going turbo, I want the big block Turbo, and that the 3.0l turbos are a mid step before the all new platform comes in

I thought I'd finally decided to keep the GTS for longer - had it from new isince 2014, as my daily, but over recent weeks started to become a bit frustrated with it, as I wanted it to feel more special - The GT4 is special.
Combination of manual gear box which actually I now realised I have missed for driving engagement. 918 Buckets, huge brakes, roll cage, big wing and of course the 3.8 flat six.

I'd been planning how to make the GTS more special - looking at headers and tuning packages, drive train and chassis, but the problem is that I'd be throwing money at it and really what I wanted was some that was more special from the start.

Started to think I'd ask my local dealer to keep an eye out for a GT4 or 981 Spyder and let me know.
I popped into the dealership on Friday for a general sniff of what was new - as I walk through the car park, Tom, head of sales says … "what you here for, T?" I say "general look", he says… "GT3 or GT4?" We walk through the door and there it is right at reception and the keys are handed to me… "take your time… then let's have a chat…"

I have always respected and hankered after a GT4, whilst also being a big advocate that the GTS was all I'd ever need for the road, and a PDK 981 GTS really is a weapon, BUT, after driving that GT4 - first turn of the wheel and first shift - I knew I was wrong and that I'd been bitten. Where do I sign.… please.

GT4 has a familiar layout but really feels like a different car to the series 981 and that's because it is different with a completely bespoke rear axle and chassis set up. Thing that surprised me most was the pliancy of the ride on the PASM vs the X73 in the GTS. GT4 is just more sophisticated - plain and simple - it's evident right away, it even puts the power down better as a result.

To keep the GT4 for real driving, I'll be picking up something on lease to take car of daily duties, and we also have a GLA.
This particular car has really been cared for in perfect condition and barely run in, which the CS ancillaries nicely in boxes. Thank you Mr Previous Owner.

This car won't be a garage queen whilst in my care - I plan to keep it for a long time and am not worried about putting good driving miles on it because I believe this is the car I've been looking for in my Porsche journey so far - something that will grow on me - that I'll learn, can be adjusted, has been built to take the punishment and will deliver rewards.

Should be picking up on the weekend - I can't wait.

yes it is odd how the GT4 feels very GT and solid and very unlike a 981 even with x73 etc, it rides the bumps like no other car at this level should and while it still has EPS, it's a long way from the normal 981 EPS.

I could not own a 981 Cayman or Boxster as the steering does my head in on those cars, they are nice cars, but that's it, not drivers cars.
The 981 saps every thing which was sports car from the 987.2 cars imo and just made it a nice car nothing more.
GT4 needs a geo and rear toe links once pushed, but that's cheap enough and transformed the car for me as oem it's way to understeery and I did not gel with my GT4 until I changed the full geo on it.

[Nickz]

ClarkeyDiem said:

BTW, not sure anybody else has done this: I was thinking of reusing my front and rear frunk/boot liners from the CGTS and neither of them fit - a bit surprising...more mods to the BIW than you would think??...

This front boot Porsche liner fits 987, 997 (not C4s) and GT4





Nick

[timjoslyn]

mdianuk said:

Thanks for letting me know, I'm sure there are other errors too, especially when cars are first published, as the spec they submit isn't always right. Edited now.

Doing a great job, fyi the remaining Reading car is a Clubsport.