12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[apachesmith]

GT4-BaV said:

TheBMWDriver said:

Yes this is very good value compared to the other cars around at the moment. I think it will be sold fast.

I'm confused as to why an OPC would allow a car to be stored with them unregistered until it is flipped for a big profit. Surely that's unfair seeing as there are still genuine people out there that want to secure a new car with no intention of flipping it.

That does seem like rubbing peoples noses in it....

Why would you go to the trouble and hassle of getting an allocation, spec'ing, waiting and then just flipping it...

His further post was: "Mine to sell, never intended keeping it." Followed by "and you can have it tomorrow !!!!!"

80k buy with OTR costs so 20k profit, seems hes turned down an offer of £95k already for it! I would imagine PGB would take a dim view of this?

OPC must be aware! Or maybe they don't care... This followed on from the same post:

"I was at OPC Silverstone a week before Christmas when a gent and his wife were collecting a new Macan and a new GT4. Said gent was pondering leaving the GT4 there after the dealer made him an offer... he was undecided. I'd love to know what path he took."

Edited by apachesmith on Tuesday 5th January 15:06

[apachesmith]

WCZ said:

if you haven't bought a 918 then I doubt you'll be able to get a 911R.
I'd love one though

I inquired several months ago about this car and my dealer said they will get 2 and they are already allocated to the top buyers who have 918, GT3RS etc etc..... It's a collectable for the VIP's.....

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ClioTrophy55 said:

m33ufo said:

Was chatting about the Bristol car yesterday. Was very basic, £66/67K list. I was surprised it sold instantly!

White is perfect for the GT4. Then again, that's what mine is

Mine too! That's why I was concerned...

It does seem white is taking longer to shift, the JZM one a still for sale as well while the Sapphire Blue one went in hours....

Not sure why as White looks good especially with the black wheels!

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boxsey said:

Although I like them and have been in a couple, I'm not interesting in owning one as it doesn't fit with my plans. What I struggle with is the concept of paying about 25% more for a new car than it had cost a few weeks or months earlier. I can see it being worth the premium if it's going to an investment (e.g. like the GT3 RS 4.0) but there are too many GT4s for that to happen. So I guess they must be being bought those that missed out on being a first owner and are comfortable with losing the premium come re-sale? Or maybe they think there is still time to make some margin before the prices fall?

April through to August will be a good indicator of where these are going! Time will tell and if I'm honest and you want a manual low volume well built mid engine sports car this is really the only one out there I'm not saying that because I'm an owner I'm saying that as I've racked my brains thinking what would I buy if I sold my GT4 for 100k and I really can't think of anything!

I know of a couple of wealthy owners who are looking to pay the premium, they are Ferrari owners and didn't really have an interest in Porsche before the GT4, they drive R8 v10's as daily drivers but are getting bored of them and want a manual NA car as a fun daily driver and keep the F12 and Speciale for the weekends! When you operate at that level 100k for fun is not a massive issue for the rest of us it seems like madness!

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birdcage said:

Here's a genuine question because I haven't driven one.

I can go and test drive one but I have never test driven anything so why start now!

I have a GTS manual with the lowered suspension and buckets plus all options possible.

I could probably get 55k from a dealer for it to put towards a GT4.

Now I know the GT cars are specials I have had 997 GT3 RS and GT3 etc but this would cost me 50k to swap. Is that the best use of 50k?

Probably not a great idea unles 50k is not going to dent the savings! If it is I would stick with the GTS, it's probably 90% of what the GT4 is and if you don't have a burning desire to use it in a track then I don't see the sense in changing!

I would however lodge an LOI with your current dealer for the next GT4.2 and hope to get one new when they next one comes out probably in 3ish years time!

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av185 said:

Ozzie Osmon3d said:

av185 said:

Fair price even though no buckets.

I own a 981 bought for half that money and I wouldn't pay that price in 100 years.

For an extra £26k you could be on the road in a MacLaren.

All 981s aren t the same.....just like 911s. A 991 GT3 is easily worth twice a £65k Carrera S.....it is more than twice the car.

Quite frankly the Mclaren is irrelevant.....it is 26 percent more anyway for what....a 5 year old car with many problems far less involvement from a drivers perspective and rampant depreciation to boot especially with the reasonable value up to date and prettier 570 just arrived....which incidently recently lost out along with the RS to the GT4 in

Agree with the sentiment however the 570 wasn't part of the ECOTY, the McLaren was a 675LT which was an eye watering 300k car when optioned; so yes the GT4 Is in a class of its own even at £100k, tell me another new car that can deliver what it does for £100k and I'll eat my copy of ECOTY!

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JiggyJaggy said:

This has just come for sale on PH:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

The seats will limit this cars appeal in the short term, with the LWB it would go for £105k nicely spec'd interior! Reds not my thing but I know it appeals to many!

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MB 1 said:

The only thing I'd consider is an Exige V6, which is a massive amount of fun and even more analog than a GT4. Problem is (having owned some S2s) you get to a point in life where you want a touch of refinement and the Porsche is in another league of quality.

So there's the trade off.

Exactly my thoughts too, with the GT4 you get the build quality, refinement, driver engagment and everyday usability I can't think of another new car that offers all that for the money! Possibly if you play devils advocate and you don't mind a 7-8 year old car the 997.1 GT3!

BMW - no
Mercedes - no
Ferrari - too expensive
Lotus - too Heath Robinson
Maserati - too heavy and old man
Aston - as above and lack the dynamics and driver involvement
McLaren 12c - 20-30% more for a 4-5 year old car and IMO bland styling

I've been around and around thinking if I sold the GT4 what's out there I would buy and as per the above I am at a loss to think of anything that comes close for the money! So I'll keep it for a long long time!

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lemmingjames said:

apachesmith said:

Agree with the sentiment however the 570 wasn't part of the ECOTY, the McLaren was a 675LT which was an eye watering 300k car when optioned; so yes the GT4 Is in a class of its own even at £100k, tell me another new car that can deliver what it does for £100k and I'll eat my copy of ECOTY!

Dodge viper
Chevy corvette (which beat the gt4 in road and tracks coty)

Both left hand drive and make a Kia look like it has a plush interia, I give it the Z06 is a good tack car but when you start look at refinement, build quality, vehicle dynamics and involvement I can't think of another car at this price point t to match the GT4!

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lemmingjames said:

Have you seen the interiors of the new Viper and Z07 Vette? They improved on the interior to compete with the European counterparts

So is the Cayman LHD

Given that the Viper still is without driver aids and i believe holds a ring record, what makes you think it would be less involving than a GT4?

I'm from the UK so obviously I'm going to be discussing RHD and preface my comments based on that! I'm sure they are very fast and hugely enjoyable and the ACR no doubt is a lot of fun to drive and fast but it no longer holds the ring record in fact there are now several cars ahead of it but I think that's a side note! Comment on European levels of interior is wide of the mark in my view! Still very cheap plastics and large swathes of it all over the cabin but definitely a step up on what was there before!

My point was if you want a RHD new car even at £100k I can't think of a RHD car that offers as much of a package as the GT4 for the money other than maybe a 997.1 GT3 but then you would need o be looking at and 8+ year old car - my opinion only and I appreciate everyone is looking for something slightly different in the cars they drive, the fact the GT4 has been so warmly received by both the press and owners only goes to show that a lot of people seem to agree!

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lemmingjames said:

apachesmith said:

I'm from the UK so obviously I'm going to be discussing RHD and preface my comments based on that! I'm sure they are very fast and hugely enjoyable and the ACR no doubt is a lot of fun to drive and fast but it no longer holds the ring record in fact there are now several cars ahead of it but I think that's a side note! Comment on European levels of interior is wide of the mark in my view! Still very cheap plastics and large swathes of it all over the cabin but definitely a step up on what was there before!

My point was if you want a RHD new car even at £100k I can't think of a RHD car that offers as much of a package as the GT4 for the money other than maybe a 997.1 GT3 but then you would need o be looking at and 8+ year old car - my opinion only and I appreciate everyone is looking for something slightly different in the cars they drive, the fact the GT4 has been so warmly received by both the press and owners only goes to show that a lot of people seem to agree!

Youre changing the 'debate' to suit your answer. The GT4 can also be had with vast swathes of plastic all over unless owners spec extended leather or whatever it is to cover it.

Unfortunately, only fastest laps. the new ACR/T/A model isnt covered (not enough track data) so ive used the older one (which is slower) and the 2011 Vette (think a new one is due or its had a power upgrade) but heres a quick comparison
http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/pjr0pv09b1jd

Let me guess, not allowed to compare as the GT4 is down on power so we need something of similar power and price and rhd, which for manufacturers, is a small market. Seen plenty of LHD super/hyper cars at shows in this country mind.

Bored! Let's just agree to disagree!

[apachesmith]

m33ufo said:

Fokker said:

There was a red car on PH for sale at 100k privately with 918 buckets... that would be a good guy if its still up for sale. You might get it for slightly less if the owner really wants rid...

I think this is the car you're referring to:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...

It's actually offers OVER £100K. I'm sure it would have been long gone otherwise.

Someone posted a few days ago that this is now gone! I think there are quite a few on PH which have sold but haven't been removed from the listings yet!

Edited by apachesmith on Monday 11th January 19:53

[apachesmith]

Richie200 said:

av185 said:

Oh dear.

Certainly sounds like safe money and lack of depreciation are the main reason for you buying the car......not, dare I say it, driving enjoyment!

Very selecteive quoting to try and support your non-existent argument. If perhaps you used the full quote you'll see how far off the mark you are. Try this snippet for starters:

Richie200 said:

I could justify to myself all day long why I need a Mezger in my life but getting the boss on-board took a little more than a youtube clip saying just listen to the thing

You only have to check my garage to see which side of the driver enthusiast fence I sit; not a single PDK in sight
If it is not clear from the above, I have no problem buying cars to drive; heck I've even chopped the roof out of a perfectly good 911 recently just to save a few grams with not a single feck given to how this will effect future value.

Well done you!

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anonymous said:

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Don't start down this track I mentioned the exact same thing on another thread and I was inundated with non relevant cars that compete, LHD only, American muscle cars with acres of plastic honestly it's not worth the energy!!!

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pbg2770 said:

Sub 98; 918 buckets and PCCB. Keep 'em coming, flippers - we're getting there :-)

http://www.hippoprestige.co.uk/vehicle-used-detail...

Edited by pbg2770 on Tuesday 12th January 20:47

Edited by pbg2770 on Tuesday 12th January 20:48

That's the best deal yet by some margin!!!

[apachesmith]

Thanks Ian....

Anyone know if the Yellow fully loaded CS with PCCB on for sub £100k has sold yet! If it's legit that has to be a fair deal I would suggest!

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Scooty100 said:

apachesmith said:

Thanks Ian....

Anyone know if the Yellow fully loaded CS with PCCB on for sub £100k has sold yet! If it's legit that has to be a fair deal I would suggest!

Is that the left hooker ?

It was the one at hippo prestige - just looked again and the advert has been taken down and it's also off Autotrader! Wonder why? Seems rather fast to have taken the advert down even if it sold!

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m33ufo said:

moc said:

Surprises me that PCCB doesn't seem to be commanding a premium, it's a big ticket option.

I'm currently going through the PCCB or not debate, whilst I know the whole thing is safe money and I'd really like ceramics seems I'd be throwing that money away. Don't think it will influence my decision at all, but it's a little disappointing.

Purely down to the potential cost of replacing rotors.

But they look so gorgeous.....I'm actually sitting here thinking I should have spec'd them and be damned with the cost...... I took the sensible decision as I would rarely go on track with the car so didn't really need them but every shot or video I see with them on I kick myself!!!

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m33ufo said:

Don't think they're needed given that the GT3 steel option is already overkill on the GT4. That said, it's nice to have clean wheels and hubs

It was/is a pure vanity thing for me, I just drool when I see them in a car! Anyway it's a dream as I've spec'd then standard brakes and I'm sure they will perform better than any cars brakes I have had before - it's just those big shiny rotors and yellow calipers.....

I did enquire with the breakers who took Tom's car on the cost of the discs and calipers, they responded with we don't split cars up if you want them you need to buy the whole car!

Edited by apachesmith on Wednesday 13th January 23:09

[apachesmith]

lsb said:

apachesmith said:

But they look so gorgeous.....I'm actually sitting here thinking I should have spec'd them and be damned with the cost...... I took the sensible decision as I would rarely go on track with the car so didn't really need them but every shot or video I see with them on I kick myself!!!

Sorry to make you kick yourself more but your decision process was flawed I am afraid. The conventional thought is that you do not spec them if you want to track the car a lot due to the added wear this will cause. Most owners who rarely track the car are therefore happy to run them as in regular road conditions the wear and replacement costs are negated.

Ah we'll it's too late to cry about it now and the standard brakes will be more than adequate for my requirements!

I'll buy the wife a holiday with the money I would have spent and that will negate the selfish angle!