12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[EricE]

lemmingjames said:

i answered the first part of the question and ignored everything else ;-)

as for the CR and Spyder not selling initially and commanding a premium, commanding it due to the bubble? or commanding as not enough people saw them as special originally and didnt sell in greater numbers. Either way, i believe, it was open season on ordering and not many did as a result, yet if P had said we will only build X number theyd have all sold out (applying todays mentality to yesterdays mentality)

ironically the Cayman R and Spyder are now much more rare cars than the "limited" GT4. As far as I know they've built 1500-2000 of each 987 variant and more than 4500 GT4s (and counting). Not that that makes them any more desirable (imo).

[av185]

Trev450 said:

This is why I'm holding back.

Be interesting to see how things pan out with all this uncertainty.....but bear in mind the GT4 is the base level and cheapest value for money accessible GT Porsche and as others have said once the intial usual flipping has passed the supply of proper spec and mileage cars will dwindle just like the 991 GT3 did....although slightly fewer numbers.....went up to c £160s came back down to £120 now around early £130s and only a handful of good ones around.

[MDL111]

Trev450 said:

mdianuk said:

Interested to know, of those of you without a GT4, but clearly monitoring threads like this, what are you waiting for? Are you comfortable with the current prices but haven't found the right spec? Are you looking for prices to drop slightly but still willing to pay a small premium? or, Are you waiting for prices to drop back to list or below, providing it is within a set time period?

Personally, I'm just monitoring the market at the moment with maybe a view to purchasing in 6-8 months time.

I am just monitoring it because I have nothing better to do and enjoy reading about cars. Would not pay current prices for a gt4 though, mostly because I have a hard time picking it over a 996 gt3.

[Trev450]

av185 said:

Trev450 said:

This is why I'm holding back.

Be interesting to see how things pan out with all this uncertainty.....but bear in mind the GT4 is the base level and cheapest value for money accessible GT Porsche and as others have said once the intial usual flipping has passed the supply of proper spec and mileage cars will dwindle just like the 991 GT3 did....although slightly fewer numbers.....went up to c £160s came back down to £120 now around early £130s and only a handful of good ones around.

I agree it will be interesting to see how things unfold. I'm not, however, prepared to pay current prices, and if they increase further still in the short term, which I personally don't think they will, then I most definately won't be getting one.

There is no question they are a suberb car, with little if anything compatable, but it just doesn't sit comfortably with me paying a large premium.

[Porsche911R]

the thing with price is the next GT4 might be a turbo then the prices will go up

if the next GT4 is a NA then the prices will go down.

work on paying £15k over list is a good ball park imo.

[SidewaysSi]

MDL111 said:

Trev450 said:

mdianuk said:

Interested to know, of those of you without a GT4, but clearly monitoring threads like this, what are you waiting for? Are you comfortable with the current prices but haven't found the right spec? Are you looking for prices to drop slightly but still willing to pay a small premium? or, Are you waiting for prices to drop back to list or below, providing it is within a set time period?

Personally, I'm just monitoring the market at the moment with maybe a view to purchasing in 6-8 months time.

I am just monitoring it because I have nothing better to do and enjoy reading about cars. Would not pay current prices for a gt4 though, mostly because I have a hard time picking it over a 996 gt3.

I thought I wouldn't go for one over a 996 GT3. But to be honest I think they are a relative bargain. A 15 year old car that has seen no doubt quite a bit of action or a brand new GT car which is arguable as exciting for similarish money. No brainer for me though appreciate why ogee may think differently.

[pete.g]

EricE said:

ironically the Cayman R and Spyder are now much more rare cars than the "limited" GT4. As far as I know they've built 1500-2000 of each 987 variant and more than 4500 GT4s (and counting). Not that that makes them any more desirable (imo).

It may end up that there are more 981 GT4 registered in the UK than there are 981 CGTS (ETA - this will definitely be the case for manual CGTS) which would make the rare limited version less rare than one you could order and buy freely.

Edited by pete.g on Monday 27th June 20:00

Edited by pete.g on Monday 27th June 20:04

[Sam All]

anonymous said:

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Wrong side of the bed, Sir? Spec, my dear boy, spec, factory fitted engine(as opposed to dealer replaced & mileage of course.

[av185]

anonymous said:

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[ChrisW.]

On a broad brush basis there are around 280 996GT3 MkII's and around 140 GT3RS ...

Ditto 997 ....

How much bigger is the market for a GT4 that costs 2/3rds the price of a GT3 ??

And I think there will be around 330 991 GT3's so .... maybe 450 makes sense ?

It's also a much more practical car for so many reasons ..

And the there is the T question ...

The 718 has received mixed reviews as a proper sports car rather than a polished Audi TT ...

[f430hunter]

Guys i was sat on the fence thinking there is no way that your get me to pay over for a car and then i drove a gt4 and that was it i was on the hunt for the right spec car which ive found paid the premium and now im happy as a pig in poo he he.My train of thought which is how i talked the mrs round was that i wanted a car that was brand new with delivery miles and was not a secondhand ragged example and the car i have purchased was only registered last week and covered just 30 miles,i strongly believe especially after driving the car for 200 miles yesterday that porsche have underpriced this car by at least 15 percent and im not saying that because ive paid a premium,the cars finish is fantastic,drives like its on rails and the sound oh the sound its just awesome and when i asked my neighbour last night who knows nothing about cars what did he think it cost me he said oh must be at least 125k and when i said no lot a lot cheaper than that he said he was surprised,i would rather pay what i did including the premium than pay quarter of as million pounds for a gt3 rs as im sure that bubble is guaranteed to burst plus we have a great manual box guys.So if you can afford it get out there and dont worry about what the over is as you soon forget about it when you get behind the wheel.

cheers simon

[Koln-RS]

The whole market - classics, prestige, investment, collectables, premium sports ...... it's all gone pretty insane. But, I do sense that, since 2015, it has definitely slowed and it will now slow further, and we will see actual sale prices fall back.

However, something like a GT4 is going to be pretty safe buy. It's always going to be, relatively, rare. From what I've read and seen, it is one of the best cars Porsche has ever produced. Whatever happens to values, you can still use and enjoy it everyday - on the commute, on the track or on long continental trips. It's practical and usable and no doubt exciting to drive. So, probably better than most of the old or compromised stuff that sits in a garage most of the time.

Congratulations - enjoy.

[isaldiri]

Well, I sold my car at more or less cost after adding ppf and all last week and can live with that as i had a decent go in it. No point in not driving the car to flip for a couple of thousand quid more and it was interesting to see what the fuss/hype about the car was. very capable car as i always said but it didn't pull the heartstrings for me anything like the 7gt3.

[MDL111]

SidewaysSi said:

MDL111 said:

Trev450 said:

mdianuk said:

Interested to know, of those of you without a GT4, but clearly monitoring threads like this, what are you waiting for? Are you comfortable with the current prices but haven't found the right spec? Are you looking for prices to drop slightly but still willing to pay a small premium? or, Are you waiting for prices to drop back to list or below, providing it is within a set time period?

Personally, I'm just monitoring the market at the moment with maybe a view to purchasing in 6-8 months time.

I am just monitoring it because I have nothing better to do and enjoy reading about cars. Would not pay current prices for a gt4 though, mostly because I have a hard time picking it over a 996 gt3.

I thought I wouldn't go for one over a 996 GT3. But to be honest I think they are a relative bargain. A 15 year old car that has seen no doubt quite a bit of action or a brand new GT car which is arguable as exciting for similarish money. No brainer for me though appreciate why ogee may think differently.

I did meet a guy recently at a wedding who races in (I think) VLN and he said for a track car atm he would go for a GT4 because it has a "standard" engine and therefore should be reasonably cheap to run / cheaper to run than a Mezger car (once you inevitably have to get it rebuilt etc). He also told me what cost to plan for running an old GT3 Cup car, at which point I realised that regular track days are probably (make that definitely) too expensive for me.

[n17ves]

woollyjoe said:

Not sure it's an everyday car.

I do get a restless bum and back from the bucket seats after a while and it is a pretty wired up drive. I drive 10 hours in my Audi and feel fresh the other side. I get out the GT4 tired after two hours and that is a good thing.

I wouldn't consider it as usable as a 911 I'm afraid and speed bumps are a constant gamble.

Agree with all the other positive stuff.

I think its great as every day car - I use mine everyday, really don't see the point in leaving tucked up in the garage for most of the year.

Ive also never had a problem with speed humps in mine (4k miles now), I even go over 2 large speed humps everyday to work. Interestingly on a PH run the other month, the 12c and 996 turbo (okay, aftermarket suspension) had trouble with the speed humps whereas the GT4 didn't.

Personally don't have a problem with the buckets, but I realise everyone's different. It will never be as easy to get in and out of compared to an Audi though.

[lemmingjames]

what was cost for you?

dont let a certain someone read that, everyone is coming out of '3s to get into 4s

[jasonpaul]

Well I love my GT4 it is my toy!!!! well I hope i am able to keep next year we will see on money as new car is come next year.
The car is very nice not the fast car i have owned, but just put together so well all those people sitting on the fence should drive it. I think it is still a cheap car at 100k or so.

Edited by jasonpaul on Wednesday 29th June 06:28

[Shiverman]

n17ves said:

woollyjoe said:

Not sure it's an everyday car.

I do get a restless bum and back from the bucket seats after a while and it is a pretty wired up drive. I drive 10 hours in my Audi and feel fresh the other side. I get out the GT4 tired after two hours and that is a good thing.

I wouldn't consider it as usable as a 911 I'm afraid and speed bumps are a constant gamble.

Agree with all the other positive stuff.

I think its great as every day car - I use mine everyday, really don't see the point in leaving tucked up in the garage for most of the year.

Ive also never had a problem with speed humps in mine (4k miles now), I even go over 2 large speed humps everyday to work. Interestingly on a PH run the other month, the 12c and 996 turbo (okay, aftermarket suspension) had trouble with the speed humps whereas the GT4 didn't.

Personally don't have a problem with the buckets, but I realise everyone's different. It will never be as easy to get in and out of compared to an Audi though.

+1. Nearly 5k miles on the clock and I find Porsche bucket seats the most comfortable seats I have ever sat in. My car is a daily driver as well and whilst I have trouble getting it on and off my drive I have had no trouble with speed humps at all.

Fantastically comfortable car (admittedly not quiet) but when the seats are compared to the 18-way adjustable in the Macan I find I'm constantly fiddling with the 18 different adjustments to try and get the position right.

[mdianuk]

Well I just hope this weather improves otherwise my GT4 will be going into winter storage with less than 1k miles on the clock! And that is criminal!

[Shiverman]

woollyjoe said:

And I'm not saying the GT4 should ever become an "everyday" car either. I like to think the standard Cayman or 911 could do that job?

GT4 is my only car so it has to be an everyday car. Admittedly it's not the family car so when there are 3 or 4 of us it gets left on the drive (which btw is difficult to get on and off without scraping the splitter).