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For me the 987 spyder wins on looks,open top motoring with a lovely chassis but the engine is the weak spot for me!
With a car that looks has special as a 997speedster it should have the engine to match ie a higher output 3.4 or the 3.8 of the 981 spyder but for me as said before its a good car to have alongside the gt4 both totally different!
The CR is a no contest with the gt4 ( and the 987 Spyders)as I have said before I don't think its that special over a 987.2 CS! Like the 987 spyder the engine is a let down ! Yes the chassis like the 987 spyder is lovely but the rest is pure CS ,even the body kit could be specd on a 2.9 Cayman! Although before mrD pipes in it was a good package when bought new over a CS!
Yes I agree the gt4 has it flaws but what did we expect from porsche they were hardly going to step on the 911 toes but they came mighty close which is the closest they have come since the arrival of the Boxster 20 years ago! But the engine can be remedied for a few K and work is in progress for a short ratio dif!
So for now the gt4 is all the manual car I would want at under £100k but better still as I only paid list!
With a car that looks has special as a 997speedster it should have the engine to match ie a higher output 3.4 or the 3.8 of the 981 spyder but for me as said before its a good car to have alongside the gt4 both totally different!
The CR is a no contest with the gt4 ( and the 987 Spyders)as I have said before I don't think its that special over a 987.2 CS! Like the 987 spyder the engine is a let down ! Yes the chassis like the 987 spyder is lovely but the rest is pure CS ,even the body kit could be specd on a 2.9 Cayman! Although before mrD pipes in it was a good package when bought new over a CS!
Yes I agree the gt4 has it flaws but what did we expect from porsche they were hardly going to step on the 911 toes but they came mighty close which is the closest they have come since the arrival of the Boxster 20 years ago! But the engine can be remedied for a few K and work is in progress for a short ratio dif!
So for now the gt4 is all the manual car I would want at under £100k but better still as I only paid list!
Porsche911R said:
It is that good I have had 65 cars inc gt3 and gt4 , CSL, lotus x2 , nobles etc etc the spyder is the only one I have kept long term.
As have many owners.
The gt4 may be better in every way as owners love to point out but it lacks that vital stat, " enjoyment" which the spyder has hence it wins no question.
My R is even more enjoyable to drive then the GT4 , better is not always better.
depends what you want I guess. GT4 is faster, better chassis, etc etc but that means nothing if it's less fun to pilot over all.
I am lucky to own the 3 Porsche best mid engine cars of late so get to drive 3 great cars back to back daily.
Gt4 is best on track but again if a track Porsche you are after a GT3 is better choice.
The 3.8 is a let down big style, it's been detuned to feel quite dull, add in the longer gearing and while it feels a faster car it's quite lifeless unit in its current form.
Easily tuned though but people love oem to death so 98% will stay detuned oem spec.
That's some serious willy waving! As have many owners.
The gt4 may be better in every way as owners love to point out but it lacks that vital stat, " enjoyment" which the spyder has hence it wins no question.
My R is even more enjoyable to drive then the GT4 , better is not always better.
depends what you want I guess. GT4 is faster, better chassis, etc etc but that means nothing if it's less fun to pilot over all.
I am lucky to own the 3 Porsche best mid engine cars of late so get to drive 3 great cars back to back daily.
Gt4 is best on track but again if a track Porsche you are after a GT3 is better choice.
The 3.8 is a let down big style, it's been detuned to feel quite dull, add in the longer gearing and while it feels a faster car it's quite lifeless unit in its current form.
Easily tuned though but people love oem to death so 98% will stay detuned oem spec.
I'm lost by your comment 'enjoyment'. What you may enjoy others may not, hence the vast amount of choice we have in today's world.
Can't someone get the same amount of enjoyment out of there gt4 as you do your spyder?
They can , but people just say they disagree but come up with nothing as to why.
I back up my points every single thread, people disagree and come back with s
t all.
I asked a very valid question to the poster who said he disagree with no reason why, I even said please ;-)
No willy waving involved.
I back up my points every single thread, people disagree and come back with s
t all.I asked a very valid question to the poster who said he disagree with no reason why, I even said please ;-)
No willy waving involved.
GT4P said:
By the way mrD I know you have had 65 cars and I respect what you have to say but it does not make you the oracle on cars! We each look for different things in our cars!
And if the 3.4 engine is so great why did you mod it in your spyder for more power!
My engine is stock !but I like modding cars, I love the spyder so spent a bit more on it, no car is 100% perfect is it ? , my Cayman R is bone stock and I love it. My last Cayman R which I ran for 2 years was stock bar a Geo tweek and 2 front spacers.And if the 3.4 engine is so great why did you mod it in your spyder for more power!
Even Walter owns a spyder you know :-)
Says a lot the cars are that good out the box, they don't need any more power, my Spyder has more noise and is a tad more free revving and is more alive than stock, I was not after power and have not fitted the TB to it or any thing like that, I could easy goto 370bhp but have not.
What it is is more responsive and more fun to drive :-) with all 4 corners having full adjustment so I can dial in what I want a car to feel like, a side effect of less cats is a few more bhp but that was not the aim.
the 3.8 offers nothing over the 3.4 and on a chassis as good as the GT4 it's feels very under powered IMO , which is all it is :-) my opinion . The GT4 is a great car, it's just not that exciting to drive in stock form, mine has new toe links and a full less understeering geo just about a year ago now, which helped me keep it a tad longer. But my other cars are more fun at 85mph than the GT4 is at 120mph.
Porsche911R said:
GT4P said:
By the way mrD I know you have had 65 cars and I respect what you have to say but it does not make you the oracle on cars! We each look for different things in our cars!
And if the 3.4 engine is so great why did you mod it in your spyder for more power!
My engine is stock !but I like modding cars, I love the spyder so spent a bit more on it, no car is 100% perfect is it ? , my Cayman R is bone stock and I love it. My last Cayman R which I ran for 2 years was stock bar a Geo tweek and 2 front spacers.And if the 3.4 engine is so great why did you mod it in your spyder for more power!
Even Walter owns a spyder you know :-)
Says a lot the cars are that good out the box, they don't need any more power, my Spyder has more noise and is a tad more free revving and is more alive than stock, I was not after power and have not fitted the TB to it or any thing like that, I could easy goto 370bhp but have not.
What it is is more responsive and more fun to drive :-) with all 4 corners having full adjustment so I can dial in what I want a car to feel like, a side effect of less cats is a few more bhp but that was not the aim.
Walter Rohl has a 987 spyder but then he probably has a few cars so that in its self means nothing although I do think the spyder is a special car though!
The GT4 is a fantastic car, but I'm a bit in the 'dislike' camp over the detuned 3.8. I did 4000 miles in mine, all on fast A and B roads in Wales and its true, it does feel held back, at least to me.
I came from a Cayman R which didn't suffer the issues above but again, an OK engine not miles better than the 3.8 in the GT4. The CR could have been a tad faster but a great car nonetheless.
With the 3.8, it constantly felt that it was struggling past about 5k revs in 3rd. Didn't notice it so much in 2nd.
It was as if there was a bit of a flat spot at 4800 revs and by 5200/ 5300 revs, it was off again to the redline fairly enthusiastically.
Compared to something like my old 4 lire V8 in the E92 M3, the engine was noticeable less alive. That was one of the best engines I have ever had the pleasure of owning!
I came from a Cayman R which didn't suffer the issues above but again, an OK engine not miles better than the 3.8 in the GT4. The CR could have been a tad faster but a great car nonetheless.
With the 3.8, it constantly felt that it was struggling past about 5k revs in 3rd. Didn't notice it so much in 2nd.
It was as if there was a bit of a flat spot at 4800 revs and by 5200/ 5300 revs, it was off again to the redline fairly enthusiastically.
Compared to something like my old 4 lire V8 in the E92 M3, the engine was noticeable less alive. That was one of the best engines I have ever had the pleasure of owning!
Edited by Fokker on Monday 12th September 11:08
Just be nice if people backed up what was said rather than just blanket say it's great, go back 12 months and every one was posting how great it was at PEC.
I did my review on the PEC drive and got slated, as the thing understeered like a dog imo, and the gearing on the PEC track were poor , but my comments are very valid to me anyway lol, people just don't back up what is said on forums where as I always say a reason and try to explain why I feel what I feel about cars.
If I question why some one has posted something you get a slagging match !!!
They are only cars, people get so upset if you say a bad thing about a car on one make forums !! and rather than back up what they say, they slag you off , because 90% of the time they cannot back up what is said !!!
the GT4 is now a £90k to £100k car, imo it's not good enough at this price, people say what else can you buy and for £100k quite a few things.
the next GT3 will be only £100k plus options at a guess and if that has the 4.0L RS engine, real fully adjustable suspension in it why own the GT4 at the same sort of money ?
1: The GT4 feels underpowered for the chassis and tyre foot print
2: The GT4 gears sap what power is there and you tend to short shift to drive it on the torque
3: The GT4 suspension IS NOT adjustable so the whole sus is pointless unless you buy after market adjustable rear toe links (which I had too)
4: The GT4 seems to wear front tyres due it seems to body roll even with big camber settings (front springs too soft ! so people say )
5: The GT4 has a basic 3.8 from a 911 but then on top of that it's detuned and now not a red line lover !!!
6: The GT4 is easy to drive at normal speeds so to get it to move about and feelsome you need to be 120mph to get the same feeling you do in a 987.2 car at 85 mph.
7: The GT4 EPS is much less feelsome in the wet than hydraulic set ups
I don't see how any one can argue the points to be fair ! but would love to hear why any one might not agree ;-)
It's still great car and the fastest Cayman to date, but it has a few short comings which can sorted and fixed, but who will ?
1: The car will put out 420bhp and rev cleaner with a tune up and Manifolds which imo will go better with the chassis.
2: you can buy a final drive set up to help in gear acceleration
3: You can fit adjustable rear toe links to then allow you to adjust the set up in full (also stops rear steer under hard brakes due to oem rubber mounts)
4: You can buy a stiffer spring set up now to try and stop roll/front tyre wear and brake dive.
5: see point one.
6: OK so you will still be doing higher speeds but a nicer geo does give you more feel and feedback and make the car more enjoyable
7: see point 6.
8: if you are doing all that you may as well fit a lighter flywheels and a set of RS29 pads also.
now do you do all that ruin your warranty/resale, or just buy the 991.2 GT3 in March for the same money you just spent on mods.
The GT4 can be made great with a bit of thought and cash, but in the UK modded cars are few are far between.
I have hunted around and done a few things myself , but if any one is interested here are some bits and bobs.
I would love to mod mine as I like mid engine over rear, but the next GT3 is too tempting for me at least.
I did my review on the PEC drive and got slated, as the thing understeered like a dog imo, and the gearing on the PEC track were poor , but my comments are very valid to me anyway lol, people just don't back up what is said on forums where as I always say a reason and try to explain why I feel what I feel about cars.
If I question why some one has posted something you get a slagging match !!!
They are only cars, people get so upset if you say a bad thing about a car on one make forums !! and rather than back up what they say, they slag you off , because 90% of the time they cannot back up what is said !!!
the GT4 is now a £90k to £100k car, imo it's not good enough at this price, people say what else can you buy and for £100k quite a few things.
the next GT3 will be only £100k plus options at a guess and if that has the 4.0L RS engine, real fully adjustable suspension in it why own the GT4 at the same sort of money ?
1: The GT4 feels underpowered for the chassis and tyre foot print
2: The GT4 gears sap what power is there and you tend to short shift to drive it on the torque
3: The GT4 suspension IS NOT adjustable so the whole sus is pointless unless you buy after market adjustable rear toe links (which I had too)
4: The GT4 seems to wear front tyres due it seems to body roll even with big camber settings (front springs too soft ! so people say )
5: The GT4 has a basic 3.8 from a 911 but then on top of that it's detuned and now not a red line lover !!!
6: The GT4 is easy to drive at normal speeds so to get it to move about and feelsome you need to be 120mph to get the same feeling you do in a 987.2 car at 85 mph.
7: The GT4 EPS is much less feelsome in the wet than hydraulic set ups
I don't see how any one can argue the points to be fair ! but would love to hear why any one might not agree ;-)
It's still great car and the fastest Cayman to date, but it has a few short comings which can sorted and fixed, but who will ?
1: The car will put out 420bhp and rev cleaner with a tune up and Manifolds which imo will go better with the chassis.
2: you can buy a final drive set up to help in gear acceleration
3: You can fit adjustable rear toe links to then allow you to adjust the set up in full (also stops rear steer under hard brakes due to oem rubber mounts)
4: You can buy a stiffer spring set up now to try and stop roll/front tyre wear and brake dive.
5: see point one.
6: OK so you will still be doing higher speeds but a nicer geo does give you more feel and feedback and make the car more enjoyable
7: see point 6.
8: if you are doing all that you may as well fit a lighter flywheels and a set of RS29 pads also.
now do you do all that ruin your warranty/resale, or just buy the 991.2 GT3 in March for the same money you just spent on mods.
The GT4 can be made great with a bit of thought and cash, but in the UK modded cars are few are far between.
I have hunted around and done a few things myself , but if any one is interested here are some bits and bobs.
I would love to mod mine as I like mid engine over rear, but the next GT3 is too tempting for me at least.
Fokker said:
The GT4 is a fantastic car, but I'm a bit in the 'dislike' camp over the detuned 3.8. I did 4000 miles in mine, all on fast A and B roads in Wales and its true, it does feel held back, at least to me.
I came from a Cayman R which didn't suffer the issues above but again, an OK engine not miles better than the 3.8 in the GT4. The CR could have been a tad faster but a great car nonetheless.
With the 3.8, it constantly felt that it was struggling past about 5k revs in 3rd. Didn't notice it so much in 2nd.
It was as if there was a bit of a flat spot at 4800 revs and by 5200/ 5300 revs, it was off again to the redline fairly enthusiastically.
Compared to something like my old 4 lire V8 in the E92 M3, the engine was noticeable less alive. That was one of the best engines I have ever had the pleasure of ragging!
good there are real views about :-)I came from a Cayman R which didn't suffer the issues above but again, an OK engine not miles better than the 3.8 in the GT4. The CR could have been a tad faster but a great car nonetheless.
With the 3.8, it constantly felt that it was struggling past about 5k revs in 3rd. Didn't notice it so much in 2nd.
It was as if there was a bit of a flat spot at 4800 revs and by 5200/ 5300 revs, it was off again to the redline fairly enthusiastically.
Compared to something like my old 4 lire V8 in the E92 M3, the engine was noticeable less alive. That was one of the best engines I have ever had the pleasure of ragging!
look at the stock torque dip, it shows AND BACKS UP just what you are feeling :-), the M3 engine is a hoot a great unit and my mates is just as fast if not faster than my GT4, although he does have DCT over my manual change, I think I could pull on a manual M3 but the DCT we are bone dead the same to 150mph.
JiggyJaggy said:
+1.
Back on topic, I see CG motors had a GT4 priced at £87k which eventually sold at £85-86k I assume. I called and got info on the car. Still looking myself for a reasonably priced one.
I have noticed there are a number of cars priced in the £80k bracket. The reason for this must be due the higher priced cars struggling to sell. I would imagine people are trying to get out due to the ever increasing number coming up for sale and due to the new gt3 coming out next year. Back on topic, I see CG motors had a GT4 priced at £87k which eventually sold at £85-86k I assume. I called and got info on the car. Still looking myself for a reasonably priced one.
I have my money on Porsche increasing the build numbers on the next gt3 it wouldn't shock me if we had the same number as we have the gt4 (600 plus).
Porsche911R said:
Just be nice if people backed up what was said rather than just blanket say it's great, go back 12 months and every one was posting how great it was at PEC.
I did my review on the PEC drive and got slated, as the thing understeered like a dog imo, and the gearing on the PEC track were poor , but my comments are very valid to me anyway lol, people just don't back up what is said on forums where as I always say a reason and try to explain why I feel what I feel about cars.
If I question why some one has posted something you get a slagging match !!!
They are only cars, people get so upset if you say a bad thing about a car on one make forums !! and rather than back up what they say, they slag you off , because 90% of the time they cannot back up what is said !!!
the GT4 is now a £90k to £100k car, imo it's not good enough at this price, people say what else can you buy and for £100k quite a few things.
the next GT3 will be only £100k plus options at a guess and if that has the 4.0L RS engine, real fully adjustable suspension in it why own the GT4 at the same sort of money ?
1: The GT4 feels underpowered for the chassis and tyre foot print
2: The GT4 gears sap what power is there and you tend to short shift to drive it on the torque
3: The GT4 suspension IS NOT adjustable so the whole sus is pointless unless you buy after market adjustable rear toe links (which I had too)
4: The GT4 seems to wear front tyres due it seems to body roll even with big camber settings (front springs too soft ! so people say )
5: The GT4 has a basic 3.8 from a 911 but then on top of that it's detuned and now not a red line lover !!!
6: The GT4 is easy to drive at normal speeds so to get it to move about and feelsome you need to be 120mph to get the same feeling you do in a 987.2 car at 85 mph.
7: The GT4 EPS is much less feelsome in the wet than hydraulic set ups
I don't see how any one can argue the points to be fair ! but would love to hear why any one might not agree ;-)
It's still great car and the fastest Cayman to date, but it has a few short comings which can sorted and fixed, but who will ?
1: The car will put out 420bhp and rev cleaner with a tune up and Manifolds which imo will go better with the chassis.
2: you can buy a final drive set up to help in gear acceleration
3: You can fit adjustable rear toe links to then allow you to adjust the set up in full (also stops rear steer under hard brakes due to oem rubber mounts)
4: You can buy a stiffer spring set up now to try and stop roll/front tyre wear and brake dive.
5: see point one.
6: OK so you will still be doing higher speeds but a nicer geo does give you more feel and feedback and make the car more enjoyable
7: see point 6.
8: if you are doing all that you may as well fit a lighter flywheels and a set of RS29 pads also.
now do you do all that ruin your warranty/resale, or just buy the 991.2 GT3 in March for the same money you just spent on mods.
The GT4 can be made great with a bit of thought and cash, but in the UK modded cars are few are far between.
I have hunted around and done a few things myself , but if any one is interested here are some bits and bobs.
I would love to mod mine as I like mid engine over rear, but the next GT3 is too tempting for me at least.
Wow, 14 1/2 years and 10,670 posts and you still don't get it do you David ?I did my review on the PEC drive and got slated, as the thing understeered like a dog imo, and the gearing on the PEC track were poor , but my comments are very valid to me anyway lol, people just don't back up what is said on forums where as I always say a reason and try to explain why I feel what I feel about cars.
If I question why some one has posted something you get a slagging match !!!
They are only cars, people get so upset if you say a bad thing about a car on one make forums !! and rather than back up what they say, they slag you off , because 90% of the time they cannot back up what is said !!!
the GT4 is now a £90k to £100k car, imo it's not good enough at this price, people say what else can you buy and for £100k quite a few things.
the next GT3 will be only £100k plus options at a guess and if that has the 4.0L RS engine, real fully adjustable suspension in it why own the GT4 at the same sort of money ?
1: The GT4 feels underpowered for the chassis and tyre foot print
2: The GT4 gears sap what power is there and you tend to short shift to drive it on the torque
3: The GT4 suspension IS NOT adjustable so the whole sus is pointless unless you buy after market adjustable rear toe links (which I had too)
4: The GT4 seems to wear front tyres due it seems to body roll even with big camber settings (front springs too soft ! so people say )
5: The GT4 has a basic 3.8 from a 911 but then on top of that it's detuned and now not a red line lover !!!
6: The GT4 is easy to drive at normal speeds so to get it to move about and feelsome you need to be 120mph to get the same feeling you do in a 987.2 car at 85 mph.
7: The GT4 EPS is much less feelsome in the wet than hydraulic set ups
I don't see how any one can argue the points to be fair ! but would love to hear why any one might not agree ;-)
It's still great car and the fastest Cayman to date, but it has a few short comings which can sorted and fixed, but who will ?
1: The car will put out 420bhp and rev cleaner with a tune up and Manifolds which imo will go better with the chassis.
2: you can buy a final drive set up to help in gear acceleration
3: You can fit adjustable rear toe links to then allow you to adjust the set up in full (also stops rear steer under hard brakes due to oem rubber mounts)
4: You can buy a stiffer spring set up now to try and stop roll/front tyre wear and brake dive.
5: see point one.
6: OK so you will still be doing higher speeds but a nicer geo does give you more feel and feedback and make the car more enjoyable
7: see point 6.
8: if you are doing all that you may as well fit a lighter flywheels and a set of RS29 pads also.
now do you do all that ruin your warranty/resale, or just buy the 991.2 GT3 in March for the same money you just spent on mods.
The GT4 can be made great with a bit of thought and cash, but in the UK modded cars are few are far between.
I have hunted around and done a few things myself , but if any one is interested here are some bits and bobs.
I would love to mod mine as I like mid engine over rear, but the next GT3 is too tempting for me at least.
You're clearly a genuine enthusiast, I congratulate you for that and your continued allegiance to the Porsche brand (personally I think everything about what they produce and everything the company has become, sucks, but that's just my view) and I think it's great that you're not just another polisher/badge jockey/look what I've just added to my collection/had detailed contributor (unlike many on here).
I suspect most people on here don't have an issue with WHAT you say, on the contrary, it's the WAY you say it that gets up peoples noses.
You come across as a rude, arrogant, dogmatic, know it all, whose opinion is the ONLY one that has any validity (which is all the more strange, as in person you're one of the most contrite, modest unassuming individuals I've met in Porsche circles) and that's why YOU end up involved in more slagging matches than most on here.
If you were to wind your neck in, respond politely and just occasionally let comments go rather than treating them the way a stubborn, rabid dog behaves with its favorite bone, it would make for a far more pleasant experience for all.
As ever, the ball's in your court.
HTH
GT4RS said:
I have noticed there are a number of cars priced in the £80k bracket. The reason for this must be due the higher priced cars struggling to sell. I would imagine people are trying to get out due to the ever increasing number coming up for sale and due to the new gt3 coming out next year.
I have my money on Porsche increasing the build numbers on the next gt3 it wouldn't shock me if we had the same number as we have the gt4 (600 plus).
Yes many of the seller's I have spoken to are sticking to their prices and trying to be as greedy as possible. I was looking to sell I would take £80k, bank the £10-15k I made on the premiums and be happy I enjoyed the car for many months first! I have my money on Porsche increasing the build numbers on the next gt3 it wouldn't shock me if we had the same number as we have the gt4 (600 plus).
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