12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
Slippydiff said:
Wow, 14 1/2 years and 10,670 posts and you still don't get it do you David ?
You're clearly a genuine enthusiast, I congratulate you for that and your continued allegiance to the Porsche brand (personally I think everything about what they produce and everything the company has become, sucks, but that's just my view) and I think it's great that you're not just another polisher/badge jockey/look what I've just added to my collection/had detailed contributor (unlike many on here).
I suspect most people on here don't have an issue with WHAT you say, on the contrary, it's the WAY you say it that gets up peoples noses.
You come across as a rude, arrogant, dogmatic, know it all, whose opinion is the ONLY one that has any validity (which is all the more strange, as in person you're one of the most contrite, modest unassuming individuals I've met in Porsche circles) and that's why YOU end up involved in more slagging matches than most on here.
If you were to wind your neck in, respond politely and just occasionally let comments go rather than treating them the way a stubborn, rabid dog behaves with its favorite bone, it would make for a far more pleasant experience for all.
As ever, the ball's in your court.
HTH
Match point...You're clearly a genuine enthusiast, I congratulate you for that and your continued allegiance to the Porsche brand (personally I think everything about what they produce and everything the company has become, sucks, but that's just my view) and I think it's great that you're not just another polisher/badge jockey/look what I've just added to my collection/had detailed contributor (unlike many on here).
I suspect most people on here don't have an issue with WHAT you say, on the contrary, it's the WAY you say it that gets up peoples noses.
You come across as a rude, arrogant, dogmatic, know it all, whose opinion is the ONLY one that has any validity (which is all the more strange, as in person you're one of the most contrite, modest unassuming individuals I've met in Porsche circles) and that's why YOU end up involved in more slagging matches than most on here.
If you were to wind your neck in, respond politely and just occasionally let comments go rather than treating them the way a stubborn, rabid dog behaves with its favorite bone, it would make for a far more pleasant experience for all.
As ever, the ball's in your court.
HTH
LambShank said:
Slippydiff said:
Wow, 14 1/2 years and 10,670 posts and you still don't get it do you David ?
You're clearly a genuine enthusiast, I congratulate you for that and your continued allegiance to the Porsche brand (personally I think everything about what they produce and everything the company has become, sucks, but that's just my view) and I think it's great that you're not just another polisher/badge jockey/look what I've just added to my collection/had detailed contributor (unlike many on here).
I suspect most people on here don't have an issue with WHAT you say, on the contrary, it's the WAY you say it that gets up peoples noses.
You come across as a rude, arrogant, dogmatic, know it all, whose opinion is the ONLY one that has any validity (which is all the more strange, as in person you're one of the most contrite, modest unassuming individuals I've met in Porsche circles) and that's why YOU end up involved in more slagging matches than most on here.
If you were to wind your neck in, respond politely and just occasionally let comments go rather than treating them the way a stubborn, rabid dog behaves with its favorite bone, it would make for a far more pleasant experience for all.
As ever, the ball's in your court.
HTH
Match point...You're clearly a genuine enthusiast, I congratulate you for that and your continued allegiance to the Porsche brand (personally I think everything about what they produce and everything the company has become, sucks, but that's just my view) and I think it's great that you're not just another polisher/badge jockey/look what I've just added to my collection/had detailed contributor (unlike many on here).
I suspect most people on here don't have an issue with WHAT you say, on the contrary, it's the WAY you say it that gets up peoples noses.
You come across as a rude, arrogant, dogmatic, know it all, whose opinion is the ONLY one that has any validity (which is all the more strange, as in person you're one of the most contrite, modest unassuming individuals I've met in Porsche circles) and that's why YOU end up involved in more slagging matches than most on here.
If you were to wind your neck in, respond politely and just occasionally let comments go rather than treating them the way a stubborn, rabid dog behaves with its favorite bone, it would make for a far more pleasant experience for all.
As ever, the ball's in your court.
HTH
GT4RS said:
I have noticed there are a number of cars priced in the £80k bracket. The reason for this must be due the higher priced cars struggling to sell. I would imagine people are trying to get out due to the ever increasing number coming up for sale and due to the new gt3 coming out next year.
I have my money on Porsche increasing the build numbers on the next gt3 it wouldn't shock me if we had the same number as we have the gt4 (600 plus).
Ive brought mine down at Bolton to £89991 and its a well spec'd Club Sport with leather and red stitching, PDLS, sport chromo, PCM, extra leather and a host of other goodies totalling £13309 in extras.I have my money on Porsche increasing the build numbers on the next gt3 it wouldn't shock me if we had the same number as we have the gt4 (600 plus).
I want to sell so unlike those holding out for large profits, I hope it will go to its lucky new owner soon.
JiggyJaggy said:
Yes many of the seller's I have spoken to are sticking to their prices and trying to be as greedy as possible. I was looking to sell I would take £80k, bank the £10-15k I made on the premiums and be happy I enjoyed the car for many months first!
how would taking £80k give one a £15k return ? or even a £10k one !!!most cars have at least £10k options on a free colour, so list is £75k for (>60% of cars sold imo) a lot of cars list are £85k if PTS , CS and PCCBS are inc.
£90k if people start adding Carbon sills, led lights and a load more personal options.
I got offered £90k 2 weeks ago for mine from a dealer and the blue PTS mexcio owner got offered £95k from a dealer also.
I think people need to look at what oem price weres inc options not look at the daft Porsche headline figure of £65k as that price is a joke.
you are not going to see £80k prices on high spec cars as a load of people paid more than that for the car in the 1st place !!!
£15k is a very nice overs figure imo for a GT4 and what you also said would be ok.
If you are in the market for one work on that imo.
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 12th September 14:38
Fokker said:
Ive brought mine down at Bolton to £89991 and its a well spec'd Club Sport with leather and red stitching, PDLS, sport chromo, PCM, extra leather and a host of other goodies totalling £13309 in extras.
I want to sell so unlike those holding out for large profits, I hope it will go to its lucky new owner soon.
I had a look at your car, imo it's a very nice spec compared to others for sale with higher asking prices. I want to sell so unlike those holding out for large profits, I hope it will go to its lucky new owner soon.
I think the difficulty you may be faced with is there are plenty who would happy to buy a used low mileage gt4 if they can find the right spec and not pay the silly overs asking prices. Imo far to many of these were bought for profit (poor specs) rather than enjoyment hence a huge amount now for sale.
Porsche911R said:
JiggyJaggy said:
Yes many of the seller's I have spoken to are sticking to their prices and trying to be as greedy as possible. I was looking to sell I would take £80k, bank the £10-15k I made on the premiums and be happy I enjoyed the car for many months first!
how would taking £80k give one a £15k return ? or even a £10k one !!!most cars have at least £10k options on a free colour, so list is £75k for (>60% of cars sold imo) a lot of cars list are £85k if PTS , CS and PCCBS are inc.
£90k if people start adding Carbon sills, led lights and a load more personal options.
I got offered £90k 2 weeks ago for mine from a dealer and the blue PTS mexcio owner got offered £95k from a dealer also.
I think people need to look at what oem price weres inc options not look at the daft Porsche headline figure of £65k as that price is a joke.
you are not going to see £80k prices on high spec cars as a load of people paid more than that for the car in the 1st place !!!
£15k is a very nice overs figure imo for a GT4 and what you also said would be ok.
If you are in the market for one work on that imo.
Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 12th September 14:38
Most have been speced to sell, you only have to look at the adverts to tell you that bit.
IMO Fokker's car is one of the better spec cars for sale at the moment with nearly 14k worth of extras and up with a opc rather than some used car dealer. He has also been realistic with his asking price. I would imagine the opc will want between 3.5k to 5k fees to sell.
GT4RS said:
I had a look at your car, imo it's a very nice spec compared to others for sale with higher asking prices.
I think the difficulty you may be faced with is there are plenty who would happy to buy a used low mileage gt4 if they can find the right spec and not pay the silly overs asking prices. Imo far to many of these were bought for profit (poor specs) rather than enjoyment hence a huge amount now for sale.
Yes it is a nice spec and now the best value in the country for spec and price. Its also been looked after and not tracked. The price on PH hasn't changed yet as its an automated system linked to the Porsche used site.I think the difficulty you may be faced with is there are plenty who would happy to buy a used low mileage gt4 if they can find the right spec and not pay the silly overs asking prices. Imo far to many of these were bought for profit (poor specs) rather than enjoyment hence a huge amount now for sale.
I'm not going to give it away but I'm not going to hold out for silly money hence the reduction. I would think the enquirers will start coming in now...
Edited by Fokker on Monday 12th September 16:15
Fokker said:
Yes it is a nice spec and now the best value in the country for spec and price. Its also been looked after and not tracked. The price on PH hasn't changed yet as its an automated system linked to the Porsche used site.
I'm not going to give it away but I'm not going to hold out for silly money hence the reduction. I would think the enquirers will start coming in now...
Im guessing it owes you about £79k based on the figures you mentioned earlier, by the time the opc takes a margin you will only clear a small profit I guess.I'm not going to give it away but I'm not going to hold out for silly money hence the reduction. I would think the enquirers will start coming in now...
Edited by Fokker on Monday 12th September 16:15
What are you changing it for ???
I have a sapphire car exact same car/spec as the redline car ..massive spec ..only thing doesn't have is the cage ..its for sale and its vat qualifying ..600 miles on it ..!
pm me if want to discuss ..! Recline have there blue one at 99k to give u idea of retail ...again not saying my car worth that as I'm looking for lot lower but free free if anyone in market to contact me ..what's it worth guys for a quick sale ..?
pm me if want to discuss ..! Recline have there blue one at 99k to give u idea of retail ...again not saying my car worth that as I'm looking for lot lower but free free if anyone in market to contact me ..what's it worth guys for a quick sale ..?
Edited by kleonard on Monday 12th September 16:56
Slippydiff said:
Porsche911R said:
Just be nice if people backed up what was said rather than just blanket say it's great, go back 12 months and every one was posting how great it was at PEC.
I did my review on the PEC drive and got slated, as the thing understeered like a dog imo, and the gearing on the PEC track were poor , but my comments are very valid to me anyway lol, people just don't back up what is said on forums where as I always say a reason and try to explain why I feel what I feel about cars.
If I question why some one has posted something you get a slagging match !!!
They are only cars, people get so upset if you say a bad thing about a car on one make forums !! and rather than back up what they say, they slag you off , because 90% of the time they cannot back up what is said !!!
the GT4 is now a £90k to £100k car, imo it's not good enough at this price, people say what else can you buy and for £100k quite a few things.
the next GT3 will be only £100k plus options at a guess and if that has the 4.0L RS engine, real fully adjustable suspension in it why own the GT4 at the same sort of money ?
1: The GT4 feels underpowered for the chassis and tyre foot print
2: The GT4 gears sap what power is there and you tend to short shift to drive it on the torque
3: The GT4 suspension IS NOT adjustable so the whole sus is pointless unless you buy after market adjustable rear toe links (which I had too)
4: The GT4 seems to wear front tyres due it seems to body roll even with big camber settings (front springs too soft ! so people say )
5: The GT4 has a basic 3.8 from a 911 but then on top of that it's detuned and now not a red line lover !!!
6: The GT4 is easy to drive at normal speeds so to get it to move about and feelsome you need to be 120mph to get the same feeling you do in a 987.2 car at 85 mph.
7: The GT4 EPS is much less feelsome in the wet than hydraulic set ups
I don't see how any one can argue the points to be fair ! but would love to hear why any one might not agree ;-)
It's still great car and the fastest Cayman to date, but it has a few short comings which can sorted and fixed, but who will ?
1: The car will put out 420bhp and rev cleaner with a tune up and Manifolds which imo will go better with the chassis.
2: you can buy a final drive set up to help in gear acceleration
3: You can fit adjustable rear toe links to then allow you to adjust the set up in full (also stops rear steer under hard brakes due to oem rubber mounts)
4: You can buy a stiffer spring set up now to try and stop roll/front tyre wear and brake dive.
5: see point one.
6: OK so you will still be doing higher speeds but a nicer geo does give you more feel and feedback and make the car more enjoyable
7: see point 6.
8: if you are doing all that you may as well fit a lighter flywheels and a set of RS29 pads also.
now do you do all that ruin your warranty/resale, or just buy the 991.2 GT3 in March for the same money you just spent on mods.
The GT4 can be made great with a bit of thought and cash, but in the UK modded cars are few are far between.
I have hunted around and done a few things myself , but if any one is interested here are some bits and bobs.
I would love to mod mine as I like mid engine over rear, but the next GT3 is too tempting for me at least.
Wow, 14 1/2 years and 10,670 posts and you still don't get it do you David ?I did my review on the PEC drive and got slated, as the thing understeered like a dog imo, and the gearing on the PEC track were poor , but my comments are very valid to me anyway lol, people just don't back up what is said on forums where as I always say a reason and try to explain why I feel what I feel about cars.
If I question why some one has posted something you get a slagging match !!!
They are only cars, people get so upset if you say a bad thing about a car on one make forums !! and rather than back up what they say, they slag you off , because 90% of the time they cannot back up what is said !!!
the GT4 is now a £90k to £100k car, imo it's not good enough at this price, people say what else can you buy and for £100k quite a few things.
the next GT3 will be only £100k plus options at a guess and if that has the 4.0L RS engine, real fully adjustable suspension in it why own the GT4 at the same sort of money ?
1: The GT4 feels underpowered for the chassis and tyre foot print
2: The GT4 gears sap what power is there and you tend to short shift to drive it on the torque
3: The GT4 suspension IS NOT adjustable so the whole sus is pointless unless you buy after market adjustable rear toe links (which I had too)
4: The GT4 seems to wear front tyres due it seems to body roll even with big camber settings (front springs too soft ! so people say )
5: The GT4 has a basic 3.8 from a 911 but then on top of that it's detuned and now not a red line lover !!!
6: The GT4 is easy to drive at normal speeds so to get it to move about and feelsome you need to be 120mph to get the same feeling you do in a 987.2 car at 85 mph.
7: The GT4 EPS is much less feelsome in the wet than hydraulic set ups
I don't see how any one can argue the points to be fair ! but would love to hear why any one might not agree ;-)
It's still great car and the fastest Cayman to date, but it has a few short comings which can sorted and fixed, but who will ?
1: The car will put out 420bhp and rev cleaner with a tune up and Manifolds which imo will go better with the chassis.
2: you can buy a final drive set up to help in gear acceleration
3: You can fit adjustable rear toe links to then allow you to adjust the set up in full (also stops rear steer under hard brakes due to oem rubber mounts)
4: You can buy a stiffer spring set up now to try and stop roll/front tyre wear and brake dive.
5: see point one.
6: OK so you will still be doing higher speeds but a nicer geo does give you more feel and feedback and make the car more enjoyable
7: see point 6.
8: if you are doing all that you may as well fit a lighter flywheels and a set of RS29 pads also.
now do you do all that ruin your warranty/resale, or just buy the 991.2 GT3 in March for the same money you just spent on mods.
The GT4 can be made great with a bit of thought and cash, but in the UK modded cars are few are far between.
I have hunted around and done a few things myself , but if any one is interested here are some bits and bobs.
I would love to mod mine as I like mid engine over rear, but the next GT3 is too tempting for me at least.
You're clearly a genuine enthusiast, I congratulate you for that and your continued allegiance to the Porsche brand (personally I think everything about what they produce and everything the company has become, sucks, but that's just my view) and I think it's great that you're not just another polisher/badge jockey/look what I've just added to my collection/had detailed contributor (unlike many on here).
I suspect most people on here don't have an issue with WHAT you say, on the contrary, it's the WAY you say it that gets up peoples noses.
You come across as a rude, arrogant, dogmatic, know it all, whose opinion is the ONLY one that has any validity (which is all the more strange, as in person you're one of the most contrite, modest unassuming individuals I've met in Porsche circles) and that's why YOU end up involved in more slagging matches than most on here.
If you were to wind your neck in, respond politely and just occasionally let comments go rather than treating them the way a stubborn, rabid dog behaves with its favorite bone, it would make for a far more pleasant experience for all.
As ever, the ball's in your court.
HTH
While the 10 year warranty a nice security blanket it also restricts car development. They don't seem to have an issue with this in the US as they see the base car as something to work with and personalise rather than the finished article. They don't appear to have too many issues with warranty claims afaik.
As I plan to keep my GT4 for a long time I will probably choose to not extend the initial warranty and then gradually change a few things over time. The work that Jens Ehresmann has put into the GT4 makes it a very appealing project.
http://www.ehresmann-automotive.com/media/powerkit...
As for getting out of a GT4 into a 991.2 GT3 - good luck with that. I think Porsche UK will be asking for your firstborn as a non-refundable deposit once it's released.
Incidentally - for those talking about numbers the Q2 figures are now showing up on the DVLA database (the one that feeds HowManyLeft). Far fewer delivered in Q2 (74) than Q1 (243) implies that they are tailing off dramatically. The total of new registrations up to mid year is thus 542. We will of course have to wait another 3 months to find out what the Q3 number was for the overall total, but it all points to around 600 cars in the UK as the likely final number I reckon.
[For context: 335 991 GT3s by the time production ended, 265 991 RSs so far (to end of Q2, but there are Q3 cars and will be Q4 too). The most common flavour of manual GT3 (the most functionally equivalent to the GT4) was the 997.1 - 248 UK cars].
[For context: 335 991 GT3s by the time production ended, 265 991 RSs so far (to end of Q2, but there are Q3 cars and will be Q4 too). The most common flavour of manual GT3 (the most functionally equivalent to the GT4) was the 997.1 - 248 UK cars].
DiscoColin said:
Incidentally - for those talking about numbers the Q2 figures are now showing up on the DVLA database (the one that feeds HowManyLeft). Far fewer delivered in Q2 (74) than Q1 (243) implies that they are tailing off dramatically. The total of new registrations up to mid year is thus 542. We will of course have to wait another 3 months to find out what the Q3 number was for the overall total, but it all points to around 600 cars in the UK as the likely final number I reckon.
[For context: 335 991 GT3s by the time production ended, 265 991 RSs so far (to end of Q2, but there are Q3 cars and will be Q4 too). The most common flavour of manual GT3 (the most functionally equivalent to the GT4) was the 997.1 - 248 UK cars].
keep up disco I posted this last week on the 'prospective 981 gt4 owners'[For context: 335 991 GT3s by the time production ended, 265 991 RSs so far (to end of Q2, but there are Q3 cars and will be Q4 too). The most common flavour of manual GT3 (the most functionally equivalent to the GT4) was the 997.1 - 248 UK cars].
"right dvla numbers update to 30.06.16
225 for 2015
317 up to 30.06.16
total UK registered cars to 30.06.16 equals 542!
UK total will be circa 550"
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