12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
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Andrew911 said:
I have put on here previously that Porsche head of GT Andreas Preuninger has been quoted as saying or at least hinting that the next iteration of the GT4 will stick with a NA flat six. Also saying that it is very unlikely they will build a GT4RS. Given that one could conclude they will also keep the Spyder 'special' as a NA engine. Full article in Auto Express
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/cayman/94636/...
It's all guesswork isn't it? AP may not get the final say, despite what he hopes for...http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/cayman/94636/...
Andrew911 said:
I have put on here previously that Porsche head of GT Andreas Preuninger has been quoted as saying or at least hinting that the next iteration of the GT4 will stick with a NA flat six. Also saying that it is very unlikely they will build a GT4RS. Given that one could conclude they will also keep the Spyder 'special' as a NA engine. Full article in Auto Express
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/cayman/94636/...
My favourite sentence in the article:http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/cayman/94636/...
has suggested that his engineers are likely to stick with six cylinders for the next ‘ultimate’ Cayman.
'Suggested' and 'likely to' are hardly an emphatic declaration. That article is spun on a strand of truth so small that it's barely identifiable.
Twinfan said:
Agreed, but it's not going to be about desire or emissions. It's all about product placement in the Porsche range. 911 GT department cars are the halo product and will continue to be so above all else. Now that everything else is turbo'd it doesn't make sense to put an NA engine in mid-priced car. I think it'll be like this:
GT4 - 718 based, four pot turbo, the budget GT option
GT3 - 911 based, RWD, flat six NA for as long as Porsche can get away with it, the old-skool GT option
GT3RS/911R etc - as the GT3 but with extra 'special' bits
GT2 - 911 based, flat six turbo, 4WD, the outright performance GT option
GT2RS - as the GT2 but with extra 'special' bits, homologation special for the 911 RSR?
Well, it is about desire because that's the point of halo products. Appreciate that genetically, it's preferable to have a four cylinder engine for that purpose and given how hard they're flogging the 718, it's either poor sales or insecurity. GT4 - 718 based, four pot turbo, the budget GT option
GT3 - 911 based, RWD, flat six NA for as long as Porsche can get away with it, the old-skool GT option
GT3RS/911R etc - as the GT3 but with extra 'special' bits
GT2 - 911 based, flat six turbo, 4WD, the outright performance GT option
GT2RS - as the GT2 but with extra 'special' bits, homologation special for the 911 RSR?
Someone should be shot for the cringey Weber WEC ad while they're at it. They listened to complaints about power in the Cayman, added a manual to the 991 series after PDK-S in the GT3. Who's to say they won't respond to criticism? Your guess is as good as mine though.
Mutema said:
Andrew911 said:
I have put on here previously that Porsche head of GT Andreas Preuninger has been quoted as saying or at least hinting that the next iteration of the GT4 will stick with a NA flat six. Also saying that it is very unlikely they will build a GT4RS. Given that one could conclude they will also keep the Spyder 'special' as a NA engine. Full article in Auto Express
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/cayman/94636/...
My favourite sentence in the article:http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsche/cayman/94636/...
has suggested that his engineers are likely to stick with six cylinders for the next ‘ultimate’ Cayman.
'Suggested' and 'likely to' are hardly an emphatic declaration. That article is spun on a strand of truth so small that it's barely identifiable.
Andrew911 said:
Maybe. Keep us all in suspense. Of course AP is being the politician; but he would look pretty stupid if he decided to do a U-turn & go 4 pot turbo for the next GT4
Theres plenty of power left to obtain from the GT4's 3.8. The next 718 S will be what, 400 hp (?) so the GT4 will have to be the GTS' power kitted 430 hp or similar to give it room above the 718 performance.After that, they'll be going turbo or hybrid so it'll be a good one to get I reckon!
The obsession with values of GT4's is so over the top. Why not just enjoy the cars.
As someone who paid a premium that's what I am doing and I am loving every second. If I lose money so be it that's generally what happens with cars.
The cars from the OPC's suddenly being released in the main have been there for some time. They were just not allowed to advertise until production had stopped.
As someone who paid a premium that's what I am doing and I am loving every second. If I lose money so be it that's generally what happens with cars.
The cars from the OPC's suddenly being released in the main have been there for some time. They were just not allowed to advertise until production had stopped.
langlord said:
The obsession with values of GT4's is so over the top. Why not just enjoy the cars.
As someone who paid a premium that's what I am doing and I am loving every second. If I lose money so be it that's generally what happens with cars.
The cars from the OPC's suddenly being released in the main have been there for some time. They were just not allowed to advertise until production had stopped.
Couldn't agree more. There's 50 on PH. Oh no, wait, there's 52. Who gives a fAs someone who paid a premium that's what I am doing and I am loving every second. If I lose money so be it that's generally what happens with cars.
The cars from the OPC's suddenly being released in the main have been there for some time. They were just not allowed to advertise until production had stopped.
k?!Fokker said:
I'm happy giving it to my OPC as it helps with the relationship and Dan at Bolton has been really good. He's also a nice guy so he looks after me and I look after him.
Now we've dropped the price there has been quite a bit of interest. He has someone looking at it today in fact.
At £89991 for a really well spec'd GT4, I think it'll go quite quick now and in the flesh, the red looks really good.
Your radar is spot on with the red one at Tewksbury and white at Reading. I really dont like white cars (although spec on that is good) and the Carmine is common in terms of a GTS colour. The locator has only White and red cars apart from the poorly spec'd black car at Leeds. As we move into Winter now, prices will soften slightly and we'll see them back into the 80's for lower end specs. All I wants is GTS pack and a stereo upgrade! but with low miles...
Strangely now I've got one, I don't want the prices to soften into the 80's but you may be right. Mind you in the 80's price territory that will then be banging very close to 997GTS current prices - who knows maybe HWM will start buying up all the 991GTS stock as well to corner that market and control prices! Now we've dropped the price there has been quite a bit of interest. He has someone looking at it today in fact.
At £89991 for a really well spec'd GT4, I think it'll go quite quick now and in the flesh, the red looks really good.
Your radar is spot on with the red one at Tewksbury and white at Reading. I really dont like white cars (although spec on that is good) and the Carmine is common in terms of a GTS colour. The locator has only White and red cars apart from the poorly spec'd black car at Leeds. As we move into Winter now, prices will soften slightly and we'll see them back into the 80's for lower end specs. All I wants is GTS pack and a stereo upgrade! but with low miles...
GTS interior pack with extended leather and alcantara is a must imo along with Bose. Other things are toys, but nice to have if you are going to put miles on it. I didn't want another white car either, but the GTS does looks oh so good in white.
Good luck with the search and maybe call Reading or Tewksebury to see what cost of change they would offer - you could be pleasantly surprised. ;-)
Andrew911 said:
Maybe. Keep us all in suspense. Of course AP is being the politician; but he would look pretty stupid if he decided to do a U-turn & go 4 pot turbo for the next GT4
Why would he look stupid if it was a turbo 4? He doesn't have unilateral decision making authority at Porsche and hasn't made any commitments. If he had, he could easily turn round and say that in order to make the 718 competitive and class leading in the category, they decided turbo 4 was the best approach. Responding to market forces in the development cycle of a GT4 variant is plausible, particularly over a two time horizon.
Even if that's just spin, we'll never know.
HokumPokum said:
who says next gt4 is NA....?
oh that guy.... didn't he used to say "paddles are for grandmas" not so long ago.......?
oh well....
Exactly. He has previous for being wrong/changing his mind/having changes forced upon him. I wouldn't take his opinion as gospel, even if it was more strongly worded than it was in the linked interview.oh that guy.... didn't he used to say "paddles are for grandmas" not so long ago.......?
oh well....
I agree, the initial premium was what, 15% at best? The market will decide whats what and monitoring it on a daily basis seems bizarre unless of course one is selling. If the cars were £150k over like some of the GT cars I could perhaps understand the intense market dissection. As long at Porsche are still advertising used cars at £90k plus the rest of the market will be propped up. Specialist Dealers also love these type of threads for picking up cars cheap from worried owners and making comments/adverts up to suit their purpose!
langlord said:
The obsession with values of GT4's is so over the top. Why not just enjoy the cars.
As someone who paid a premium that's what I am doing and I am loving every second. If I lose money so be it that's generally what happens with cars.
The cars from the OPC's suddenly being released in the main have been there for some time. They were just not allowed to advertise until production had stopped.
As someone who paid a premium that's what I am doing and I am loving every second. If I lose money so be it that's generally what happens with cars.
The cars from the OPC's suddenly being released in the main have been there for some time. They were just not allowed to advertise until production had stopped.
dickyf said:
I agree, the initial premium was what, 15% at best?. Specialist Dealers also love these type of threads for picking up cars cheap from worried owners and making comments/adverts up to suit their purpose!
Several early clubsport and ceramic braked cars were initially flipped for between £105k and £110k.Can't imagine there are many 'worried' GT4 owners....great car to own and premiums still strong.....I would be far more worried at having a substantially inferior and less involving product such as a Carrera/M5/F Type meh whatever sitting in the garage and shedding up to £3k a month.
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