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bcr5784 said:
Not at all, but lets be realistic, as a road car (as opposed to a track day weapon) most people's needs would be better served by a 981S or GTS - other than the not inconsiderable matter of depreciation. And were production of the GT4 unlimited, most would choose a more mainstream model, and a GT4 would depreciate just like other models in the range.
the Cayman R did not depreciate just like other models in the range and that was not a limited run.you can buy a 981S with all the bits cheaper than a Cayman R now.
bcr5784 said:
Not at all, but lets be realistic, as a road car (as opposed to a track day weapon) most people's needs would be better served by a 981S or GTS -
Not true if it was not for the gt4 I would never have bought a 981 and my car is purely for road use!
If I never bought a gt4 I would be now in a 987.2 S/CR or a 997.2/S/GTs manual but never a 981S/GTS
The gt4 is just as good a road car as any other cayster! The ride might be firmer etc but it's a sports car if ones needs to be served better on the road buy an SUV or a saloon car!
Just to add gt4 production was unlimited just like the gt3s that had gone before it was more down to capacity of the factory (Austria) and since demand for other 981 was low and at its end of life they were able the build more circa 5-6000
There are less 981 spyder because they were built in Stuttgart and had to share the 911 line like the previous 987 spyder!
There are less 981 spyder because they were built in Stuttgart and had to share the 911 line like the previous 987 spyder!
bcr5784 said:
. And were production of the GT4 unlimited, most would choose a more mainstream model, and a GT4 would depreciate just like other models in the range.
Most would not choose a mainstream model and because of this a gt4 will always be the most in demand in the Cayman model range 2012 onwards or since the 987CR unless Porsche build a 718gt4 with a 6cylinder n/a engine which seems highly unlikely!W12JFD said:
Yep, standard brakes are not ideal and PTV is an additional wear issue although I'm not sure the thresholds are any different to the GT4.
I still think the Spyder is the faster car on track due to centre of gravity and power to weight ratio despite inferior rubber. (But I am rather, or indeed very, biased)
they weigh just about the same unless you did not add a radio and AC in the Spyder, Spyder figures were quoted without these items. GT4 with !I still think the Spyder is the faster car on track due to centre of gravity and power to weight ratio despite inferior rubber. (But I am rather, or indeed very, biased)
thresholds are different in the GT4, we have 2 button system and its very hard to get anything to cut in even when kept on.
GT4 is faster on track for sure and will do more laps in a given stint.
most GT4 on track have oem geo, but a track hack will have way way more camber, I would say Ravon (Tim) in the white GT4 might be at Silverstone, see if you can keep with that one.
stock for stock and loony driving then yes about the same pace oem set up, most cars run out of camber.
while both cars are balanced, Spyder and GT4, if one were to adjust the GT4 you can get a lot more from it.
I am not sure why people want to drive it like a 911 and scrub off all that corner speed when the cayman with a bit more camber will carry far more mid corner speed, rather than a very hard trail to the apex to get the car to turn in !!
oem is -1.5 degrees the CS GT4 is -3.5 if the race car had -1.5 it would lap slower, end of !
the whole point of owning a GT4 imo is it's the 1st car in the Cayman or Boxster platform EVER to have adjustable suspension, why people keep it stock for track shocks me.
So yes I agree sort of that the Spyder is just as fast oem , but the GT4 has more potential because you can set it up with little extra outlay.
on track it's driver all the way, having a car 0.5 seconds a lap faster will not show up with novice track day goers and you pedal that Spyder of yours very hard and do many track days in it. I am sure you over take many GT3 in it, does not mean it's a faster car ;-) you just get 99% out of it.
bcr5784 said:
av185 said:
Without attaching too much weight to the GT4s praises by many respected Journos together with the Ecoty win, beating the GT3 RS and Mclaren, are you saying the GT4 is without outstanding ability in contradiction to its numerous road tests etc?
Yes, there are quicker cars, but as a complete package especially as a road car it takes some beating especially at the money.
Not at all, but lets be realistic, as a road car (as opposed to a track day weapon) most people's needs would be better served by a 981S or GTS - other than the not inconsiderable matter of depreciation. And were production of the GT4 unlimited, most would choose a more mainstream model, and a GT4 would depreciate just like other models in the range. Yes, there are quicker cars, but as a complete package especially as a road car it takes some beating especially at the money.
GT4P said:
Not true if it was not for the gt4 I would never have bought a 981 and my car is purely for road use!
If I never bought a gt4 I would be now in a 987.2 S/CR or a 997.2/S/GTs manual but never a 981S/GTS
The gt4 is just as good a road car as any other cayster! The ride might be firmer etc but it's a sports car if ones needs to be served better on the road buy an SUV or a saloon car!
This "it's a sports car" line is pretty meaningless - for me a Caterham, Radical etc is a sports car - a Cayman is a very nice everyday GT car, and a GT4 is less able in that role than more mainstream models. Most would consider a Caterham, (or even an Exige) too raw and compromised as a sports car - it's just a matter of where you draw the line.
Given that the great majority of Caymans are ordered with PDK and the GT4 isn't available with it would limit its appeal to many buyers.
Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 20th October 10:14
bcr5784 said:
The fact that you (I presume) don't have issues of ground clearance, are unconcerned about a hard ride, even more road noise than mainstream models, and are comfortable with the wing on the back, doesn't mean that most other punters would take the same view.
Exactly, it was this for me. Good ground clearance, parking sensors/camera and less shouty looks all contributed to my choice of a GTS rather than a GT4. For my use a GT4 would be to pose in only, and I'd have to compromise on ride quality, so it just wouldn't have suited.Porsche911R said:
the GT4 gives a crazy smooth ride as it happens for what it is, but it is low and does not do a multi story car park and there is a lot of tyre noise.
But no reason you could not run one day to day if you can avoid car parks and don't mind driving a car with a big wing.
I'm not saying you couldn't - just that most potential buyers wouldn't choose to.But no reason you could not run one day to day if you can avoid car parks and don't mind driving a car with a big wing.
bcr5784 said:
Porsche911R said:
the GT4 gives a crazy smooth ride as it happens for what it is, but it is low and does not do a multi story car park and there is a lot of tyre noise.
But no reason you could not run one day to day if you can avoid car parks and don't mind driving a car with a big wing.
I'm not saying you couldn't - just that most potential buyers wouldn't choose to.But no reason you could not run one day to day if you can avoid car parks and don't mind driving a car with a big wing.
Twinfan said:
Exactly, it was this for me. Good ground clearance, parking sensors/camera and less shouty looks all contributed to my choice of a GTS rather than a GT4. For my use a GT4 would be to pose in only, and I'd have to compromise on ride quality, so it just wouldn't have suited.
I'm guessing your GTS is PASM not X73 then? The car park I have to use everyday I can actually get my Spyder in (just) on full lock without scraping. My GTS (w/ X73) would scrape occasionally. Same goes for ride quality. I agree on the parking sensors thing though - still don't understand the logic in not offering these as an option.wellzee said:
I'm guessing your GTS is PASM not X73 then? The car park I have to use everyday I can actually get my Spyder in (just) on full lock without scraping. My GTS (w/ X73) would scrape occasionally. Same goes for ride quality. I agree on the parking sensors thing though - still don't understand the logic in not offering these as an option.
Yep, I'm on PASM. Stunning ride quality in Normal and it firms up nicely in Sport when giving it some. Perfect for mixed road use.wellzee said:
Twinfan said:
Exactly, it was this for me. Good ground clearance, parking sensors/camera and less shouty looks all contributed to my choice of a GTS rather than a GT4. For my use a GT4 would be to pose in only, and I'd have to compromise on ride quality, so it just wouldn't have suited.
I'm guessing your GTS is PASM not X73 then? The car park I have to use everyday I can actually get my Spyder in (just) on full lock without scraping. My GTS (w/ X73) would scrape occasionally. Same goes for ride quality. I agree on the parking sensors thing though - still don't understand the logic in not offering these as an option.They not only should have no parking sensors but also no stereo, no PCM, no cruise control ...
Porsche should only make GT cars for drivers who use them (on track predominantly) and not for daily drivers. This will stop premiums and sort out the true enthusiasts.
for the folks who dd, the GTS should be the model doing the job.
instead we get this ridiculous state of affairs........ where a GT car is now a perfectly acceptable dd car. IMO opinion, they should not even offer AC.
HokumPokum said:
that is the problem I have with Gt cars.
They not only should have no parking sensors but also no stereo, no PCM, no cruise control ...
Porsche should only make GT cars for drivers who use them (on track predominantly) and not for daily drivers. This will stop premiums and sort out the true enthusiasts.
for the folks who dd, the GTS should be the model doing the job.
instead we get this ridiculous state of affairs........ where a GT car is now a perfectly acceptable dd car. IMO opinion, they should not even offer AC.
i completely agree! They should be proper stripped out hardcore cars - none should have AC, radio, sensors, heated seats etc.They not only should have no parking sensors but also no stereo, no PCM, no cruise control ...
Porsche should only make GT cars for drivers who use them (on track predominantly) and not for daily drivers. This will stop premiums and sort out the true enthusiasts.
for the folks who dd, the GTS should be the model doing the job.
instead we get this ridiculous state of affairs........ where a GT car is now a perfectly acceptable dd car. IMO opinion, they should not even offer AC.
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