12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
Sierra Mike said:
I respectfully disagree. Life's short so I take every opportunity to drive and put miles on any car I enjoy driving. I just don't see the point in owning a car you enjoy and then making the consious decision to not enjoy it. Each to their own but that makes no sense to me and a waste imho.
Sitting in traffic commuting, going to tescos or sitting on motorways is not my idea of fun. Geeting up at 5am to go out for 3 or 4 hours on great empty b and a roads is. Thats what i meant by weekend use. Either way go and drive a 996 gt3 and then drive a gt4 back to back and you will see what i mean. mdianuk said:
I'm actually interested to know if any prospective buyers monitor this thread and what price point they are waiting for? Are they looking for a winter "bargain", or for prices to hit a certain level? My car is days away from winter storage due to reasons previously explained, but would be hard to resist that urge to sell a well specced car at ~£86 privately if buyers were willing to buy direct.
I've been considering one for a while, but whilst winter is a great time to buy, for the same reasons it a crap time to sell, and the 2 sadly come at the same time for me. I test drove a GT4 today and was mightily impressed, but there's no way I'm willing to pay so far over list. Had I not known the original price, I'd be happier, but it irks me. I am, of course, aware that the value of a car is what people are willing to pay etc, A very accomplished car, no doubt, but I'm not doing £95k on one.
Edited by Bincenzo on Monday 24th October 18:22
So many cars are overs now and nothing makes the headlines, not sure why overs on a GT4 makes news.
A £180k GT3 is fine !
lets not even talk about a pre 90's car or a 993 Turbo etc.
OR even a Ford S2000.
in fact the GT4 has the lease overs of them all, if you aim for £15k over list it's not that bad.
A £180k GT3 is fine !
lets not even talk about a pre 90's car or a 993 Turbo etc.
OR even a Ford S2000.
in fact the GT4 has the lease overs of them all, if you aim for £15k over list it's not that bad.
Porsche911R said:
So many cars are overs now and nothing makes the headlines, not sure why overs on a GT4 makes news.
A £180k GT3 is fine !
lets not even talk about a pre 90's car or a 993 Turbo etc.
OR even a Ford S2000.
in fact the GT4 has the lease overs of them all, if you aim for £15k over list it's not that bad.
GT3 overs is not fine either!A £180k GT3 is fine !
lets not even talk about a pre 90's car or a 993 Turbo etc.
OR even a Ford S2000.
in fact the GT4 has the lease overs of them all, if you aim for £15k over list it's not that bad.
Bincenzo said:
I've been considering one for a while, but whilst winter is a great time to buy, for the same reasons it a crap time to sell, and the 2 sadly come at the same time for me. I test drive a GT4 today and was mightily impressed, but there's no way I'm willing to pay so far over list. Had I not known the original price, I'd be happier, but it irks me. I am, of course, aware that the value of a car is what people are willing to pay etc,
A very accomplished car, no doubt, but I'm not doing £95k on one.
You can get one for less than 10k over. I bought the blue one at JZM. It Had every option on it. 1st owner paid 86 and put 2.4k miles on the car. I paid less than the advertised price. If someone is being sensible on their price car will sell. 5 to 10k over if you have had a small amount of use out of the car is reasonable IMO. The badly specced cars have a way to fall. I think early 80's for a car without ceramics, lights and clubsport, but with pcm is about right. The well specced cars wont go below 90 unless they have 8k plus miles on them. A very accomplished car, no doubt, but I'm not doing £95k on one.
Porsche911R said:
So many cars are overs now and nothing makes the headlines, not sure why overs on a GT4 makes news.
A £180k GT3 is fine !
lets not even talk about a pre 90's car or a 993 Turbo etc.
OR even a Ford S2000.
in fact the GT4 has the lease overs of them all, if you aim for £15k over list it's not that bad.
I didn't say it was making the news, other than a 150 page thread. It just happens to be on my radar and others are not.A £180k GT3 is fine !
lets not even talk about a pre 90's car or a 993 Turbo etc.
OR even a Ford S2000.
in fact the GT4 has the lease overs of them all, if you aim for £15k over list it's not that bad.
Ravi355 said:
Bincenzo said:
I've been considering one for a while, but whilst winter is a great time to buy, for the same reasons it a crap time to sell, and the 2 sadly come at the same time for me. I test drive a GT4 today and was mightily impressed, but there's no way I'm willing to pay so far over list. Had I not known the original price, I'd be happier, but it irks me. I am, of course, aware that the value of a car is what people are willing to pay etc,
A very accomplished car, no doubt, but I'm not doing £95k on one.
You can get one for less than 10k over. I bought the blue one at JZM. It Had every option on it. 1st owner paid 86 and put 2.4k miles on the car. I paid less than the advertised price. If someone is being sensible on their price car will sell. 5 to 10k over if you have had a small amount of use out of the car is reasonable IMO. The badly specced cars have a way to fall. I think early 80's for a car without ceramics, lights and clubsport, but with pcm is about right. The well specced cars wont go below 90 unless they have 8k plus miles on them. A very accomplished car, no doubt, but I'm not doing £95k on one.
Bincenzo said:
I'd imagine the steel brakes are hardly likely to be ropey, so I could live without CCBs. The buckets are not a deal breaker for me, the 18 way adjustable seats I drove today were wonderful. The cage? No way.
Everyone has their own perfect spec, despite what some will have you believe. Seats, brakes, lights, navigation, colour, cage, wheels etc etc etc. It's all about what ticks your boxes, not what some self proclaimed expert tells you is the "right" spec. At the end of the day the GT4 has proved to be a great car and a relative bargain for the first owners. Even the second owners will probably not see huge losses long term. But if you got an allocation and sold straight away you may have gained financially but nobody likes you
Porsche911R said:
they will drop a bit every month going though winter then pick up in spring as normal esp after the motor show.
Generally the best time to buy most Porsches is just before Christmas.....come January most OPCs and quality indies are desperate for good stock so whilst the 'book' price (largely irrelevant anyway for GT/niche/limited run Porsches and any 911) may fall into January reflective of Decembers figures, the actual bid price will rise substantially and thereafter each of the following months into summer. The GT4 will follow this trend so anyone who wants one is advised to buy before the year end.mdianuk said:
I'm actually interested to know if any prospective buyers monitor this thread and what price point they are waiting for? Are they looking for a winter "bargain", or for prices to hit a certain level? My car is days away from winter storage due to reasons previously explained, but would be hard to resist that urge to sell a well specced car at ~£86 privately if buyers were willing to buy direct.
I'm sure there are plenty who would purchase there preferred used spec gt4 if priced correctly. I think most people are to nervous to jump in due to the crazy volume for sale which don't appear to be shifting at there current price range. The cheapest opc car is now £84k with 7k on the clock, the cheapest private sale with 7k on the clock now looks expensive at £82k. Opc won't be risking there cash at the moment unless they buy very carefully. Once these cars fall back to or just below list they will be an excellent entry level Porsche GT car IMO and the market will start moving. Let's not forget Porsche know how to price new cars, this crazy over situation has only been driven by greedy people who are now struggling to sell hence the volume currently for sale.
If you bought your new gt4 to use and enjoy you are one of the lucky ones and have nothing to worry about as you have a great car which when new was great value.
GT4RS said:
The cheapest opc car is now £84k with 7k on the clock, the cheapest private sale with 7k on the clock now looks expensive at £82k. Opc won't be risking there cash at the moment unless they buy very carefully.
you have to look at spec, how can the private car look expensive when it's a much higher spec than the more expensive OPC car.the red £82k car looks a bloody good buy with buckets, PCM and carbon imo.
the £84k OPC car has nothing !
the cheapest OPC car with buckets and PCM is £91k !!! so if anything it makes the red car look cheap and under £10k overs.
bcr5784 said:
Sierra Mike said:
Those trinkets were available on the 911R as well but there's a reason the car was available as manual only and likewise for the GT4. The trinkets don't change the actual driving experience, they just make the car easier to live with.
Accepting that PDK changes the experience, I'm really at a loss to see why those who want a somewhat different experience shouldn't be able to have it. It is, in effect, Porsche saying that they don't want the sort of person who would prefer to buy PDK being sold one of their cars.Rolls Royce might have adopted that sort of snobbish attitude 60-100 years ago, but imo it has no place today.
Ravi355 said:
Sierra Mike said:
I respectfully disagree. Life's short so I take every opportunity to drive and put miles on any car I enjoy driving. I just don't see the point in owning a car you enjoy and then making the consious decision to not enjoy it. Each to their own but that makes no sense to me and a waste imho.
Sitting in traffic commuting, going to tescos or sitting on motorways is not my idea of fun. Geeting up at 5am to go out for 3 or 4 hours on great empty b and a roads is. Thats what i meant by weekend use. Either way go and drive a 996 gt3 and then drive a gt4 back to back and you will see what i mean. You and I have different driving environments but I drive my cars on a daily basis and that includes going to Tesco.
Porsche911R said:
GT4RS said:
The cheapest opc car is now £84k with 7k on the clock, the cheapest private sale with 7k on the clock now looks expensive at £82k. Opc won't be risking there cash at the moment unless they buy very carefully.
you have to look at spec, how can the private car look expensive when it's a much higher spec than the more expensive OPC car.the red £82k car looks a bloody good buy with buckets, PCM and carbon imo.
the £84k OPC car has nothing !
the cheapest OPC car with buckets and PCM is £91k !!! so if anything it makes the red car look cheap and under £10k overs.
If it was good value it wouldn't of been for sale for best part of a month.
Sierra Mike said:
It comes down to distinguising products. I see nothing wrong with Porsche offering manual only ... just like they offered PDK only for the RS. Ultimately, there was greater demand from driving enthusiasts for the manual only GT cars i.e. the GT4 and 911R than other GT cars. This is evidenced by the premiums they currently command.
Come on! It's about Porsche trying to regain street cred after bringing out the PDK only GT3 (no reason why that shouldn't have been offered with a manual box). It's silly marketing BS which I simply don't buy. Edited by bcr5784 on Tuesday 25th October 11:30
GT4RS said:
Just because a car has bucket seats and a splash of carbon does not make it worth 9k more. Remember these are now clased as used cars and extras do not carry the seem premium which they do when buying new.
If it was good value it wouldn't of been for sale for best part of a month.
spec and miles these days does which I am happy about as I tend to buy high spec cars and pay top money 2nd hand for them.If it was good value it wouldn't of been for sale for best part of a month.
Not long paid £45k for my R when you can buy one at £38k.
the cars are so new the prices are based on list + spec + overs with the final adjustemt in price being the miles.
Gone are the days when the dealers says you car is worth £65k and these days the OPC's seem to ask does it have 918 seats instead.
As a seller I would base my GT4 £2.8k above a chairs car and let the buyers chooses which he wants !
I often say when people view my cars but want it to be the cheapest, "please go and buy that one then, why look at mine ?" I have always sold at the money for that spec level, in the end spec rules. people after the lowest priced cars will have to have a car with no spec/high miles or get lucky, there are not that many GT4's for sale really when you look at it. esp when you go down to what colour you want.
same with Carbon I would price my car £1k above a non carbon car and again the buyers chooses which he wants, one with out carbon at £85k or one with at £86k. the key is making the car you are selling the cheapest at that spec level so the buyer has nowhere to go, he buys yours or buys one with less spec, it gets to be that simple.
Top 555 have been selling GT4 like hot cakes at £95k+ they are upto about 9 or 10 cars now, the last one was listed at £107k and sold in one day.
they only take on high spec cars though.
991 GT3 market has been spec driven for 2 years now regarding prices. it will take a lot longer to settle down and be the normal 2nd hand all cars have the same price thing if ever on these models.
non bucket Cayman R and 997 GT3 are like lemons atm sitting at dealers 6 or 7 months plus while dealers try to get bucket seat money for them !
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 25th October 09:24
A good example of non bucket seats in gt cars not selling is the many 997.2 gt3 especially the lovely one owner very low miles that has been up for sale for 6 months!
But spec. is all personal it's just getting someone who likes yours and the price is right!
I had a very good spec. v low miles 987 spyder that I sold last year but it still took 6-8 weeks to sell when I should have been beating punters off with a stick but it was a private sale which does seem to put some off which is madness when you are saving a few grand over a "lesser" dealers car!
But spec. is all personal it's just getting someone who likes yours and the price is right!
I had a very good spec. v low miles 987 spyder that I sold last year but it still took 6-8 weeks to sell when I should have been beating punters off with a stick but it was a private sale which does seem to put some off which is madness when you are saving a few grand over a "lesser" dealers car!
mdianuk said:
I'm actually interested to know if any prospective buyers monitor this thread and what price point they are waiting for? Are they looking for a winter "bargain", or for prices to hit a certain level? My car is days away from winter storage due to reasons previously explained, but would be hard to resist that urge to sell a well specced car at ~£86 privately if buyers were willing to buy direct.
It would be a stretch to describe myself as a prospective buyer because I usually buy my next Porsche when it is 4 or 5 years old. I bought my current Cayman R at that age and a GT4 is on my radar as its replacement in about 3 years time. At 4+ years old the CR was only about £10K under original list. If the GT4 followed the same pattern then I would be tempted by the change. However, a lot can happen in 3 years so I'm not banking on it. However, I do find this discussion of the current and changing values interesting even though it's not that relevant to my own plans.Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff