12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing
Discussion
anonymous said:
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what ltd ed Rolex are you talking about ?all the main SS Rolex Sports watches are selling at overs atm, nothing is Ltd ed Rolex don't really do LTD ed !
If you want a Basic Sub today you have to pay more than list price, that's life !
The daft Daytona again not limited ed in anyway and will be built/made for the next 15 years I bet, but it is £15k if you want to wear one today for a £8k watch !
Porsche911R said:
I would price it the same as a car with the same spec at the timer of the advert, it would either sell or not, the point is, it would not be selling at the prices people are quoting for s
t spec cars, and any one offered a low ball offer stating they can buy the same car at £82k will be told as much ;-)
the over all price it sells for is not a factor, people are just a bit confused with the spec of cars out there is seems !
It's not hard a hard format to grasp, look at the 991 GT3 price range even 2 years on , it's 100% spec driven with a massive range in price.
same for 458's you can buy one at £130k but the one you want to own is £160k
wana play got to pay ;-) that's life !
I am 70% sure that the GT4 will go up in price come spring though so I might not sell it at all atm.
but there will always be poor spec cheap cars to buy, they need to be a lot cheaper to tempt people away from spec !
we all agree with you that spec does make a difference and command more money. However you can't deny that prices have fallen since August. May be seasonality...however if I owned a GT4 and managed to drive for a year and not lose a penny then I would be ecstatic!t spec cars, and any one offered a low ball offer stating they can buy the same car at £82k will be told as much ;-)the over all price it sells for is not a factor, people are just a bit confused with the spec of cars out there is seems !
It's not hard a hard format to grasp, look at the 991 GT3 price range even 2 years on , it's 100% spec driven with a massive range in price.
same for 458's you can buy one at £130k but the one you want to own is £160k
wana play got to pay ;-) that's life !
I am 70% sure that the GT4 will go up in price come spring though so I might not sell it at all atm.
but there will always be poor spec cheap cars to buy, they need to be a lot cheaper to tempt people away from spec !
m88ony said:
we all agree with you that spec does make a difference and command more money. However you can't deny that prices have fallen since August. May be seasonality...however if I owned a GT4 and managed to drive for a year and not lose a penny then I would be ecstatic!
I thought they are falling like a stone myself !But the cheapest GT4 with buckets, leather and PCM is £92k at an OPC that's the same price they were in August !
I am as shocked as most about this FACT lol but that's what is for sale on the UK OPC website for all to see ;-)
Lets not forget these low speced cars were only £66k list price, these guys are still getting the same overs at £81k today as the guys spending £75k and asking £90k
people love quoting low prices but the cars are really low list price cars and what's odd is there are a load of them for sale making prices look like a massive drop.
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 26th October 21:48
anonymous said:
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Sorry cmoose you've lost me. Luxury brands rely on a price/ exclusivity dynamic that is very carefully managed. Nothing new there. Halo products will have supply managed even more carefully. That creates more demand for the brand overall. Rolex Sports/ Professional watch production is carefully managed to create the demand that supports the growth of the brand. It's called Marketing.
Getting back to the subject, I think we'll see GT4's settle into the 70k band similar to the way GTS's have settled into the 60k band.
GT4RS said:
What a load of rubbish, this is the most usable Porsche gt car ever produced. It has nothing to do with the winter!
So long as you have the heated seat option ticked along with the far superior 18 way adjustable's, rather than those impractical buckets that 911R KEEPS banging on about!Porsche911R said:
I thought they are falling like a stone myself !
But the cheapest GT4 with buckets, leather and PCM is £92k at an OPC that's the same price they were in August !
I am as shocked as most about this FACT lol but that's what is for sale on the UK OPC website for all to see ;-)
Lets not forget these st speced cars were only £66k list price, these guys are still getting the same overs at £81k today as the guys spending £75k and asking £90k
people love quoting low prices but the cars are really low list price cars and what's odd is there are a load of them for sale making prices look like a massive drop.
You're quite vocal about this aren't you? Spec, like color and choice of marque, is a personal thing. What may seem sBut the cheapest GT4 with buckets, leather and PCM is £92k at an OPC that's the same price they were in August !
I am as shocked as most about this FACT lol but that's what is for sale on the UK OPC website for all to see ;-)
Lets not forget these s
t speced cars were only £66k list price, these guys are still getting the same overs at £81k today as the guys spending £75k and asking £90k people love quoting low prices but the cars are really low list price cars and what's odd is there are a load of them for sale making prices look like a massive drop.
t (which you have used with monotonous regularity and I'd be a bit pissed off if you were constantly slagging off my car) to you, may be perfectly acceptable for somebody else. Buckets, for example, may not suit everyone. Carbon tat on the inside may not be to everyone's taste. PCMs, they're good, but I can't imagine the steels are the same as my old Ford Cortina. Sports chrono pack, I have a watch. CS - why on earth would you? The point is, cars with fewer additional options will of course be cheaper, but this will become less of a price advantage the older the car gets, as traditionally options become less of a factor in the used market. I don't think anyone is arguing that the higher spec cars are going for £80k, and you certainly don't think that they are. But they will, at some stage, so you'd better get used to the idea. And stop calling other people's choices st. It's rude.
Bincenzo said:
You're quite vocal about this aren't you? Spec, like color and choice of marque, is a personal thing. What may seem st (which you have used with monotonous regularity and I'd be a bit pissed off if you were constantly slagging off my car) to you, may be perfectly acceptable for somebody else. Buckets, for example, may not suit everyone. Carbon tat on the inside may not be to everyone's taste. PCMs, they're good, but I can't imagine the steels are the same as my old Ford Cortina. Sports chrono pack, I have a watch. CS - why on earth would you? The point is, cars with fewer additional options will of course be cheaper, but this will become less of a price advantage the older the car gets, as traditionally options become less of a factor in the used market. I don't think anyone is arguing that the higher spec cars are going for £80k, and you certainly don't think that they are. But they will, at some stage, so you'd better get used to the idea. And stop calling other people's choices st. It's rude.
t (which you have used with monotonous regularity and I'd be a bit pissed off if you were constantly slagging off my car) to you, may be perfectly acceptable for somebody else. Buckets, for example, may not suit everyone. Carbon tat on the inside may not be to everyone's taste. PCMs, they're good, but I can't imagine the steels are the same as my old Ford Cortina. Sports chrono pack, I have a watch. CS - why on earth would you? The point is, cars with fewer additional options will of course be cheaper, but this will become less of a price advantage the older the car gets, as traditionally options become less of a factor in the used market. I don't think anyone is arguing that the higher spec cars are going for £80k, and you certainly don't think that they are. But they will, at some stage, so you'd better get used to the idea. And stop calling other people's choices st. It's rude.
Bincenzo said:
You're quite vocal about this aren't you? Spec, like color and choice of marque, is a personal thing. What may seem st (which you have used with monotonous regularity and I'd be a bit pissed off if you were constantly slagging off my car) to you, may be perfectly acceptable for somebody else. Buckets, for example, may not suit everyone. Carbon tat on the inside may not be to everyone's taste. PCMs, they're good, but I can't imagine the steels are the same as my old Ford Cortina. Sports chrono pack, I have a watch. CS - why on earth would you? The point is, cars with fewer additional options will of course be cheaper, but this will become less of a price advantage the older the car gets, as traditionally options become less of a factor in the used market. I don't think anyone is arguing that the higher spec cars are going for £80k, and you certainly don't think that they are. But they will, at some stage, so you'd better get used to the idea. And stop calling other people's choices st. It's rude.
you are quite correct, I have changed my posts to read "low" instead of the word st (which you have used with monotonous regularity and I'd be a bit pissed off if you were constantly slagging off my car) to you, may be perfectly acceptable for somebody else. Buckets, for example, may not suit everyone. Carbon tat on the inside may not be to everyone's taste. PCMs, they're good, but I can't imagine the steels are the same as my old Ford Cortina. Sports chrono pack, I have a watch. CS - why on earth would you? The point is, cars with fewer additional options will of course be cheaper, but this will become less of a price advantage the older the car gets, as traditionally options become less of a factor in the used market. I don't think anyone is arguing that the higher spec cars are going for £80k, and you certainly don't think that they are. But they will, at some stage, so you'd better get used to the idea. And stop calling other people's choices st. It's rude.t, thanks for pointing out the error of my ways :-)It's like talking with mates down the pub when looking for cars to buy on a Friday after work, one tends to say "s
t spec", on a forum I can see "low" being the better choice of word to use in public.I wanted to buy a 458 when they hit £120k, I thought I would treat myself, now one can buy a 458 at £120k but it's "low" read "s
t" spec and high miles.A car one would really like to buy is £160k
now the same thing happens on the Ferrari section of PH, a few buyers quote prices are falling like a stone, as "low" spec higher miles cars come to market at £125k, but the fact is a nice spec low mile car has actually gone up on the 458 !
Now the GT4 in "low" spec is a £65k list price car so people asking even £75k are making more than people asking £85k for high spec cars"
what makes more sense atm , the buyer who pays £16k over to get a low spec GT4 at £82k, or the buyer only paying £8k over to get a high spec car at £86k
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 26th October 22:02
Porsche911R said:
lemmingjames said:
The buying and selling of any GT car hasnt been seasonal in the past few years or any sports car currently bucking the depreciation trend. The GT3's have all stayed the same or gone up.
We will see how accurate Demon is when he finally puts his ad up for sale as it is for sale, and how long it takes for it to go.
I would price it the same as a car with the same spec at the timer of the advert, it would either sell or not, the point is, it would not be selling at the prices people are quoting for sWe will see how accurate Demon is when he finally puts his ad up for sale as it is for sale, and how long it takes for it to go.
t spec cars, and any one offered a low ball offer stating they can buy the same car at £82k will be told as much ;-)the over all price it sells for is not a factor, people are just a bit confused with the spec of cars out there is seems !
It's not hard a hard format to grasp, look at the 991 GT3 price range even 2 years on , it's 100% spec driven with a massive range in price.
same for 458's you can buy one at £130k but the one you want to own is £160k
wana play got to pay ;-) that's life !
I am 70% sure that the GT4 will go up in price come spring though so I might not sell it at all atm.
but there will always be poor spec cheap cars to buy, they need to be a lot cheaper to tempt people away from spec !
You are trying to cash in when you can!
A few years back about a year after production finished there were a lot of 987 spyders for sale and prices fell and it was spouted on here they would drop to £25k a year later they never did and now prices have risen some 20% from the low and hardly any for sale so potential buyers I think you have until spring to secure a low miles in the spec. you seek before prices firm and the good spec. cars disappear ! But who really knows but if the gt4 falls to list circa £65k then a 981 Gts wil be low 50s at best most likely high 40s A late 991s will be high 50s to low 60s a 991 gts high 60s and so on! It's all relative at the end of the day if hallo cars prices soften so does everything else!
Porsche911R said:
what ltd ed Rolex are you talking about ?
all the main SS Rolex Sports watches are selling at overs atm, nothing is Ltd ed Rolex don't really do LTD ed !
If you want a Basic Sub today you have to pay more than list price, that's life !
The daft Daytona again not limited ed in anyway and will be built/made for the next 15 years I bet, but it is £15k if you want to wear one today for a £8k watch !
Some sites such as Blowers are selling Daytonas at 15k but Watchfinder have a big selection starting at just over 8k for a nice Daytona.all the main SS Rolex Sports watches are selling at overs atm, nothing is Ltd ed Rolex don't really do LTD ed !
If you want a Basic Sub today you have to pay more than list price, that's life !
The daft Daytona again not limited ed in anyway and will be built/made for the next 15 years I bet, but it is £15k if you want to wear one today for a £8k watch !
http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Rolex/Daytona/116520/...
GT4P said:
seek before prices firm and the good spec. cars disappear !
one is not allowed to say "good spec" ;-) one must now say "high spec"but any way a funny thread for sure, and as I said, when looking at the 27 OPC cars for sale, was still shocked to see a "HIGH SPEC" car with options some may like on GT cars and all round use still to be £92k entry price lol
I would like the nay slayers to answer this question I posted
"what makes more sense atm , the buyer who pays £16k over to get a low spec GT4 at £82k, or the buyer only paying £8k over to get a high spec car at £86k "
because while people talk prices down, these "low option spec" cars still look very expensive imo and the more expensive cars are far better value.
Porsche911R said:
one is not allowed to say "good spec" ;-) one must now say "high spec"
but any way a funny thread for sure, and as I said, when looking at the 27 OPC cars for sale, was still shocked to see a "HIGH SPEC" car with options some may like on GT cars and all round use still to be £92k entry price lol
I would like the nay slayers to answer this question I posted
"what makes more sense atm , the buyer who pays £16k over to get a low spec GT4 at £82k, or the buyer only paying £8k over to get a high spec car at £86k "
because while people talk prices down, these "low option spec" cars still look very expensive imo and the more expensive cars are far better value.
Yes but you'll find a lot of people dont give two monkeys about leather or bucket seats. They are driven by price and price only. They'll have a figure in their heads and also perhaps in a lot of cases have previously owned a boxter or a cayman and paid well below the current asking prices of GT4's currently on the used market. As such, they'll be massively price driven so a car with 18 way seats, no leather but maybe has PCM is a much more attractive option to them than a 92k car with all the toys.but any way a funny thread for sure, and as I said, when looking at the 27 OPC cars for sale, was still shocked to see a "HIGH SPEC" car with options some may like on GT cars and all round use still to be £92k entry price lol
I would like the nay slayers to answer this question I posted
"what makes more sense atm , the buyer who pays £16k over to get a low spec GT4 at £82k, or the buyer only paying £8k over to get a high spec car at £86k "
because while people talk prices down, these "low option spec" cars still look very expensive imo and the more expensive cars are far better value.
Its a great car but 92k for a Cayman is still a shed load of money, 75k sounds a lot better if you're stretching yourself / coming from a much cheaper car and dont care too much about spec even if the more expensive one is 'better value'.
Edited by Fokker on Thursday 27th October 10:39
To answer your question, it very much depends on the individual's budget and little else. If you can afford the higher spec, higher priced car, then why wouldn't you (ingnoring the fact that many people don't want some of the higher spec options)? If you can only just stretch to the lower spec, lower price car, then that's what you get. That's surely not difficult to grasp?
I would agree with you, however, that the delta between the low and high spec cars when compared to list is disproportionate, which is yet another confusing factor in this whole GT4 pricing debate.
To be clear, I'm not trying to tell people that prices are right or wrong, I'm merely trying to work out if I should buy one or not at current prices or wait a while and save a little cash. Oh, and I don't mind if's st spec. 
I would agree with you, however, that the delta between the low and high spec cars when compared to list is disproportionate, which is yet another confusing factor in this whole GT4 pricing debate.
To be clear, I'm not trying to tell people that prices are right or wrong, I'm merely trying to work out if I should buy one or not at current prices or wait a while and save a little cash. Oh, and I don't mind if's s
t spec. Fokker said:
Porsche911R said:
one is not allowed to say "good spec" ;-) one must now say "high spec"
but any way a funny thread for sure, and as I said, when looking at the 27 OPC cars for sale, was still shocked to see a "HIGH SPEC" car with options some may like on GT cars and all round use still to be £92k entry price lol
I would like the nay slayers to answer this question I posted
"what makes more sense atm , the buyer who pays £16k over to get a low spec GT4 at £82k, or the buyer only paying £8k over to get a high spec car at £86k "
because while people talk prices down, these "low option spec" cars still look very expensive imo and the more expensive cars are far better value.
Yes but you'll find a lot of people dont give two monkeys about leather or bucket seats. They are driven by price and price only. They'll have a figure in their heads and also perhaps in a lot of cases have previously owned a boxter or a cayman and paid well below the current asking prices of GT4's currently on the used market. As such, they'll be massively price driven so a car with 18 way seats, no leather but maybe has PCM is a much more attractive option to them than a 92k car with all the toys.but any way a funny thread for sure, and as I said, when looking at the 27 OPC cars for sale, was still shocked to see a "HIGH SPEC" car with options some may like on GT cars and all round use still to be £92k entry price lol
I would like the nay slayers to answer this question I posted
"what makes more sense atm , the buyer who pays £16k over to get a low spec GT4 at £82k, or the buyer only paying £8k over to get a high spec car at £86k "
because while people talk prices down, these "low option spec" cars still look very expensive imo and the more expensive cars are far better value.
Its a great car but 92k for a Cayman is still a shed load of money, 75k sounds a lot better if you're stretching yourself / coming from a much cheeper car and dont care too much about spec even if the more expensive one is 'better value'.
Edited by Fokker on Thursday 27th October 10:31
With regards to prices - not following closely, but asking prices in Germany certainly have come down a little over the last 6 months. When I last checked there was only one car under 110k Euros and now there are probably >10 listed (some with delivery mileage). Not sure how much of a premium that is though (I suspect still 10k plus).
Spyders are trading at a larger premium than GT4s best as I can tell. Fewer around too - will probably be the collectible car in the future (I project Spyders being worth double the money of GT4s in 12 months ....)
just kidding
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