12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[FocusRS3]

pete.g said:

FocusRS3 said:

FWIW close pal of mine today sold GT4 with 918 buckets, 6,700 miles, PCM, carbon pack and extra alcantara for 74k to private buyer. Had used it on track but replaced all four tyres prior to sale

I'm very disappointed that this has been up for over an hour without someone questioning your honesty or suggesting your close friend is obviously in financial distress and his car has crash damage, a dodgy history and the Ebola virus.

There must be something good on TV.

Honesty ? Why would I need to lie ? Yes he wanted a no hassle quick sale but was aware of the recent one that sold .
Cars sell for whatever they are worth at the time , no idea why people like you get so hot under the collar about it . Scared of losing money perhaps ? It's a car FFS!

[Bincenzo]

mdianuk said:

pete.g said:

I'm very disappointed that this has been up for over an hour without someone questioning your honesty or suggesting your close friend is obviously in financial distress and his car has crash damage, a dodgy history and the Ebola virus.

Haha, probably the case, but I would question why the poster has only recently appeared on this thread talking down prices (whilst his close friend is trying to sell) and then suddenly comes out with this. You will always get those talking prices up (owners), and those talking prices down (wannabe owners or general observers), nothing new there, but I'm calling custard on this deal.

Edited by mdianuk on Tuesday 8th November 23:39

Do you really think that people are as naive as to think that a forum will affect residual prices on cars? That individuals can be responsible for the cascade or meteoric rise of prices based upon an opinionated post? If so, both you and they are deluded.

[7184c]

Bincenzo said:

Do you really think that people are as naive as to think that a forum will affect residual prices on cars? That individuals can be responsible for the cascade or meteoric rise of prices based upon an opinionated post? If so, both you and they are deluded.

Forums are not responsible solely, but they are a contributory factor in price rises, just as the economy, GBP value and supply/demand are. Look at something like the Cayman R for example - would demand and prices for these be as strong without all the positive forum comments? Dealers monitor these forums for a reason.

[JeffC]

Bincenzo said:

Do you really think that people are as naive as to think that a forum will affect residual prices on cars? That individuals can be responsible for the cascade or meteoric rise of prices based upon an opinionated post? If so, both you and they are deluded.

In my opinion thats pretty much how a markets work , I have seen it historically with other marques , buyers only tend to see what they want to see and if they see a couple cars sell at a much lower price , that is what they want to pay, exactly the same with house prices,first thing buyers do is look on rightmove to see what prices are doing currently and previous sale prices and then want to pay less than what the last house on that estate sold for, its human nature most would prefer not to pay over the top for something.

If cars are not selling the only thing that is stopping that happen is "price" as there are obviously buyers out there wanting the cars and while One or two cheap cars wont collapse the market overnight , it will influence those wanting a quick sale to reduce and also make potential buyers think and make offers based on previous sold prices.

Btw I am not trying to talk down prices , I neither have a GT4 or have any interest in buying one my post is based on 30 years experience of selling cars.

[FocusRS3]

Bincenzo said:

mdianuk said:

pete.g said:

I'm very disappointed that this has been up for over an hour without someone questioning your honesty or suggesting your close friend is obviously in financial distress and his car has crash damage, a dodgy history and the Ebola virus.

Haha, probably the case, but I would question why the poster has only recently appeared on this thread talking down prices (whilst his close friend is trying to sell) and then suddenly comes out with this. You will always get those talking prices up (owners), and those talking prices down (wannabe owners or general observers), nothing new there, but I'm calling custard on this deal.

Edited by mdianuk on Tuesday 8th November 23:39

Do you really think that people are as naive as to think that a forum will affect residual prices on cars? That individuals can be responsible for the cascade or meteoric rise of prices based upon an opinionated post? If so, both you and they are deluded.

+1

[nsm3]

With Trump as POTUS and markets having a burp, can we expect to pick one up for £45k by the weekend?

[mdianuk]

nsm3 said:

With Trump as POTUS and markets having a burp, can we expect to pick one up for £45k by the weekend?

Probably not, money is flooding out of banks into physical items such as gold etc. With market uncertainty, comes investors. I don't reckon it will make a difference to prices of the GT4.

[Porsche911R]

FocusRS3 said:

FWIW close pal of mine today sold GT4 with 918 buckets, 6,700 miles, PCM, carbon pack and extra alcantara for 74k to private buyer. Had used it on track but replaced all four tyres prior to sale

you should have bought it imo ;-) as I can see no cars below list price for sale, in fact most are >10k over list, it would have been a good buy.
Looks like you missed out on that one !

Cheapest car with buckets is now £89.5k

Cheapest car with the main 4, buckets, leather, PCM and carbon is £93k

looks like ave price now is higher for nicer spec car.

That's not talking prices up or down, just posting what's available.

why would some one sell a GT4 £16k below what any other car is for sale for ? I guess if he got his money back, he is happy.

Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 9th November 09:12

[mdianuk]

Porsche911R said:

Cheapest car with the main 4, buckets, leather, PCM and carbon is £93k

All personal opinions of course, but please stop including "carbon" as "the main 4", as I doubt it would prevent a sale, where as I agree the others would if looking for a specific type of car. The carbon is nothing more than a cheap piece of plastic that can easily be replicated for a couple of hundred £.

[Macca993]

I see the asking prices on PH classifieds. There seems to be around 50 examples for sale. Are the dealers getting any where near these prices?

The last two examples I know that sold were 92K for a deliveries mile car with buckets and PCM which was VATQ and 76K for a red 7000 mile car with buckets private owner.

My maximum budget is 88K for VATQ but I dont mind some modest mileage and prefer buckets. If its not VATQ then my maximum budget it 74K. Obviously the later would be harder to find, but the former I feel is fair money for a low mileage car with decent spec? Thats a car which would have cost its first owner 78K new.

Ive been watching the market for a month or so. Competitive priced cars do get advertised but they sell quickly. Some of the stock in the 93K range I have seen sitting there for some time and I believe its still available. Many seem to be almost 12 months old but with under 1000 miles. This would suggest to me there has been a speculators market in operation. I would suggest that the dealers have been in some cases working with good clients to jointly benefit from this model.

How may GT4 were delivered to UK? They have only just stopped being produced right. If there are say 40 real examples for sale then it would indicate there were at least 400 delivered new. Probably more like 600+?

Sorry for the rambling. Im outside looking in. Just my personal observations...

[Porsche911R]

mdianuk said:

All personal opinions of course, but please stop including "carbon" as "the main 4", as I doubt it would prevent a sale, where as I agree the others would if looking for a specific type of car. The carbon is nothing more than a cheap piece of plastic that can easily be replicated for a couple of hundred £.

IF I said main 3 people would still get upset as some people hate leather ! or don't have buckets !
So no, I cannot stop posting what I feel is a high spec car ! , I quoted the cheapest car with buckets at £89.5k and I quoted a Car with what I would want, and looking back at other threads of musts haves Carbon was a big feature when that question was asked, with a much bigger % wanting it than not. again the 991 GT3 seems to sell far far better with the carbon option and cars with it have a higher asking price.

So I can post what I like and I base my own quick look at prices on those 4 items as that is the spec of my car so I keep an eye out for like minded cars. All though PDSL and Bluetooth are must haves for any car I buy at this price.

I think the coloured inserts are actually stopping some cars selling at all esp on GTS models I see a lot of cars hanging about, and I can only put it down to body coloured inserts all round the car esp red ones !

Some people will say CS pack is the MAIN AND ONLY OPTION I don't tell them not to post !

I would est >85% of GT4 and GT3 buyers with 2 cars side by side at the same price would choose the car with Carbon, and 1/2 of those I bet would pay £1k more on a £90k car to choose a car with it.

while some options may not make a car more expensive, it's those options which help the car sell faster, we have had loads and I mean loads of GT4 high spec cars sell, talk to my local dealer Top555 and they only take in the highest spec cars and have sold more than 15 of the things now and within days every time.

[Cheib]

I'd be ringing a few of the specialist dealers....Top 555, JZM in particular seem to have had a lot of success shifting GT4's. Tell them what you want and what your budget is and see what the reaction is! You'll soon find out if what you want is realistic.

[Porsche911R]

Macca993 said:

I see the asking prices on PH classifieds. There seems to be around 50 examples for sale. Are the dealers getting any where near these prices?

The last two examples I know that sold were 92K for a deliveries mile car with buckets and PCM which was VATQ and 76K for a red 7000 mile car with buckets private owner.

My maximum budget is 88K for VATQ but I dont mind some modest mileage and prefer buckets. If its not VATQ then my maximum budget it 74K. Obviously the later would be harder to find, but the former I feel is fair money for a low mileage car with decent spec? Thats a car which would have cost its first owner 78K new.

Ive been watching the market for a month or so. Competitive priced cars do get advertised but they sell quickly. Some of the stock in the 93K range I have seen sitting there for some time and I believe its still available. Many seem to be almost 12 months old but with under 1000 miles. This would suggest to me there has been a speculators market in operation. I would suggest that the dealers have been in some cases working with good clients to jointly benefit from this model.

How may GT4 were delivered to UK? They have only just stopped being produced right. If there are say 40 real examples for sale then it would indicate there were at least 400 delivered new. Probably more like 600+?

Sorry for the rambling. Im outside looking in. Just my personal observations...

600 cars ish

£78k list would be a very high spec car or a car with PCCB's or a PTS high spec car.

I know cars have sold for £100k in the last few weeks but very high end models with PCCB and del miles.
As I pointed out the cheapest car with buckets is £89.5k atm so £74k is a tuff ask unless you make offers on private higher miles cars.
but that's a £16k drop on the cheapest car for sale !

The issue is the people who wanted to make £20k or even £30k have made it and run, that markets gone and people made the money, I see some GT4 on 4 owners !!
It went a bit mad when it was launched, I was offered £105k on day one, £30k over what I paid, but I wanted the car.
We are now getting down to real owners selling cars and the issue there is, why sell at list price atm when cars are up at £90k ? what would £75k buy me if I sold my car today for what I paid ?

hence if you like the car you may as well keep it and put 10k miles on it !, I see people doing straight swaps for the 991 GTS as it's more usable, but to pay £20k to get into a 2nd hand 991 GTS over a GT4 you would have to be mental ! imo

now selling at £90k does tempt many owners and hence that's the price we see higher specs cars for sale at, it still looks good value over say a 991 GTS or a £85k Evora or most other new stuff esp if you want a Manual GT car.

I even think prices will go back up a bit come Spring, but only time will tell regarding that and the 991.2 GT3 plays a big part in that also.

Also the gap is still very wide from GT4 to 991 GT3 which helps GT4 prices atm and again £90k 997.1 GT3 prices also help GT4 prices.

people talk doom and a falling market but I don't see it happening unless other cars around it fall also.

[Macca993]

Thanks for that. I will continue to look for something around 88K GBP VATQ. Hopefully something will appear over winter.

[mdianuk]

Porsche911R said:

I even think prices will go back up a bit come Spring, but only time will tell regarding that and the 991.2 GT3 plays a big part in that also.

Haven't you claimed already that there won't be a manual GT3 991.2 though, so how will the auto GT3 influence the price of the GT4? Also, there is a huge leap even from a £90k GT4 to what I assume will be a £120k GT3 with a similar spec; especially if you consider the OPC's will likely give priority to those chopping in their GT4's 'at list' for a GT3, so they make a healthy return.

[av185]

anonymous said:

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Insofar as the GT4 is a 'usable' all season and relatively inexpensive value for money GT Porsche (compared to other GT Porsche and relative to its ability) I think most people would regard it as a relatively safe haven especially as the premiums are nothing like the insane figures seen on the R, to a lesser extent RS and obviously older stuff of which the overpriced such as the 997 RS springs to mind.

[Koln-RS]

anonymous said:

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I would be cautious about any car being a 'safe haven asset'. But, looking a Porsche's I'd say the GT4 is one of the more comfortable buys - in terms of desirability, useability and affordability.

[Porsche911R]

mdianuk said:

Haven't you claimed already that there won't be a manual GT3 991.2 though, so how will the auto GT3 influence the price of the GT4? Also, there is a huge leap even from a £90k GT4 to what I assume will be a £120k GT3 with a similar spec; especially if you consider the OPC's will likely give priority to those chopping in their GT4's 'at list' for a GT3, so they make a healthy return.

I did not claim it, I said we have a 911R which is manual, where does a 991 GT3 manual fit in now ?

If there is no manual and people have sold their GT4 on the promise on a manual GT3, the GT4 and the 911 R are the newest manual GT type cars, so it might go up (to answer your question) ! people in the PDK GT3 market are not manual buyers, so the GT4 will be very sort after imo and some might regret selling the GT4.

If there is a manual GT3 then many GT4 owners me inc would swap into one and don't mind letting the GT4 go at list to get the new Manual GT3 which if ltd will be at £30k + overs on day one.

[mdianuk]

Porsche911R said:

I did not claim it, I said we have a 911R which is manual, where does a 991 GT3 manual fit in now ?

Yes you did and a number of others picked up on it, but you refused to substantiate your claim; or are you back tracking now?

Porsche911R/Demon said: "And it looks like no manual future GT3, so that makes the GT4 a car you may as well keep and use."

Porsche911R said:

If there is a manual GT3 then many GT4 owners me inc would swap into one and don't mind letting the GT4 go at list to get the new Manual GT3 which if ltd will be at £30k + overs on day one.

So I assume you are planning on offering up your GT4 at list as part exchange on a GT3, paying a difference of circa £50k, to then sell for a £30k premium?

[n17ves]

anonymous said:

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That!

Announcement Feb, official launch Geneva (March).

Edited by n17ves on Wednesday 9th November 11:44