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Many slated the 997 GTS shortly after launch as being the old chestnut run out parts bin special and little more than a Carrera S with stupid centre lock wheels. More fool them......and yet here we are 6 years later with the best ones selling at up to 60% more than the Carrera S and not far from list largely due to the slightly (admittedly) rose tinted 'analogue' dream which has boosted values and supported the 991 GTS and to a lesser extent, the GT3 in the process.
No reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
No reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
There were over 140 GT4s on sale at mobile.de around September when the weather got worse. I think supply is already past the peak unless we see another wave of cars hitting the market when the manual GT3 is out.
Cayman R and 987.2 Spyders have firmed up and are rising but are very milage sensitive. Interestingly the Spyders seem have overtaken the Cayman Rs, although the latter tend to have higher milage. I'm sure the 981 GT4/Spyder ratio also has something to do with it.
We'll see if either of the old cars will ever overtake the newer model, that would be interesting.
It's also funny how talk went from "GT4 will destroy GTS residuals" to "GTS will prop up GT4 residuals" in the matter of a year.
Cayman R and 987.2 Spyders have firmed up and are rising but are very milage sensitive. Interestingly the Spyders seem have overtaken the Cayman Rs, although the latter tend to have higher milage. I'm sure the 981 GT4/Spyder ratio also has something to do with it.
We'll see if either of the old cars will ever overtake the newer model, that would be interesting.
It's also funny how talk went from "GT4 will destroy GTS residuals" to "GTS will prop up GT4 residuals" in the matter of a year.
Edited by EricE on Sunday 18th December 13:59
av185 said:
Many slated the 997 GTS shortly after launch as being the old chestnut run out parts bin special and little more than a Carrera S with stupid centre lock wheels. More fool them......and yet here we are 6 years later with the best ones selling at up to 60% more than the Carrera S and not far from list largely due to the slightly (admittedly) rose tinted 'analogue' dream which has boosted values and supported the 991 GTS and to a lesser extent, the GT3 in the process.
No reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
So based on that thinking is it fair to say a 997 Speedster £144k new and sells today for circa £300k +++ should make the 981 3.8 Spyder another end of line N/A true open 2 seater sports an even better bet going forward No reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
av185 said:
Many slated the 997 GTS shortly after launch as being the old chestnut run out parts bin special and little more than a Carrera S with stupid centre lock wheels. More fool them......and yet here we are 6 years later with the best ones selling at up to 60% more than the Carrera S and not far from list largely due to the slightly (admittedly) rose tinted 'analogue' dream which has boosted values and supported the 991 GTS and to a lesser extent, the GT3 in the process.
No reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
The 997 GtS is a fantastic car and is the car I would have bought if I didn't get a Gt4 and was tempted at one stage by the really low miles hexagon car for £75k just over a year ago and with a flipped gt4 would have cost me £45k!No reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
The 981 Gts is no 997 Gts, the 911 Gts range is more unique than other Porsche models gts range , the 997 Gts came with some nice alcantara and stitching bits like the 981 Gts but that is where it ends, the 997 Gts got the 4wd wide body the £10k worth of engine extras and not just a 10 hp ecu boost I
The 981 Gts was a no brainer buying new over a regular S because of the extra kit but that does not make it a better car worth more than 10% over regular car! Numbers on there own mean nothing for instance the 987.2 manual black edition has got to be the rarest of all with its limited numbered build with a CR engine ,spyder wheels yet the price has always been £10k less than a CR and just above a CS
Edited by GT4P on Sunday 18th December 16:24
GT4P said:
The 981 Gts was a no brainer buying new over a regular S because of the extra kit but that does not make it a better car worth more than 10% over regular car!
Maybe not to you 
The market will decide its value, just like it will for the GT4. Which coincidentally is also a parts bin special. worldwidewebs said:
BrotherMouzone said:
worldwidewebs said:
It was an Elise, yes, but an S1 in silver with a blue hood. Was it your GT4?
Sadly not GT4. I was in my 996 C2; first time at Anglesey, great place.Was this you following / passing me?
https://youtu.be/e6Z8PSe6mNc
It is a great circuit, isn't it? I couldn't believe how few cars were there given that the day had been so heavily booked
Shortly before the start of that lap, I was telling my friend that the little Elise was showing good pace.
Traffic was really light, the only time it was slightly busier was the hour after lunch. And sunny day and no wind at Anglesey in December! Would have been a perfect day if not for me locking myself out of the car by misplacing the key in the boot
you might have seen the two AA vans in the afternoon by garage two. 
GT4P said:
av185 said:
Many slated the 997 GTS shortly after launch as being the old chestnut run out parts bin special and little more than a Carrera S with stupid centre lock wheels. More fool them......and yet here we are 6 years later with the best ones selling at up to 60% more than the Carrera S and not far from list largely due to the slightly (admittedly) rose tinted 'analogue' dream which has boosted values and supported the 991 GTS and to a lesser extent, the GT3 in the process.
No reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
The 997 GtS is a fantastic car and is the car I would have bought if I didn't get a Gt4 and was tempted at one stage by the really low miles hexagon car for £75k just over a year ago and with a flipped gt4 would have cost me £45k!No reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
The 981 Gts is no 997 Gts, the 911 Gts range is more unique than other Porsche models gts range , the 997 Gts came with some nice alcantara and stitching bits like the 981 Gts but that is where it ends, the 997 Gts got the 4wd wide body the £10k worth of engine extras and not just a 10 hp ecu boost I
The 981 Gts was a no brainer buying new over a regular S because of the extra kit but that does not make it a better car worth more than 10% over regular car! Numbers on there own mean nothing for instance the 987.2 manual black edition has got to be the rarest of all with its limited numbered build with a CR engine ,spyder wheels yet the price has always been £10k less than a CR and just above a CS
Edited by GT4P on Sunday 18th December 16:24
Neither GTS, or the CGT4 is a limited edition.
Only time will tell what their values will be in future - at the moment, both 997 GTS and 981 CGTS are not easy cars to find and the prices reflect this.
GT4P said:
av185 said:
Many slated the 997 GTS shortly after launch as being the old chestnut run out parts bin special and little more than a Carrera S with stupid centre lock wheels. More fool them......and yet here we are 6 years later with the best ones selling at up to 60% more than the Carrera S and not far from list largely due to the slightly (admittedly) rose tinted 'analogue' dream which has boosted values and supported the 991 GTS and to a lesser extent, the GT3 in the process.
No reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
The 981 Gts is no 997 Gts, the 911 Gts range is more unique than other Porsche models gts range , the 997 Gts came with some nice alcantara and stitching bits like the 981 Gts but that is where it ends, the 997 Gts got the 4wd wide body the £10k worth of engine extras and not just a 10 hp ecu boost INo reason why the Cayman and Boxster GTS won't in time follow the same route due to the clammering to obtain the last of the NA engined cars. This, in turn will inevitably prop up residuals on the GT4.
The 981 Gts w
Edited by GT4P on Sunday 18th December 16:24
My point regarding the 981 GTS is that the difference between this and the replacement 718 S as a drivers car is colossol I.e. the 4 cylinder turbo whereas the difference between the 997 GTS and 991GTS is less...mainly revolving on hydraulic steering and a more compact 911 overall.....and die hard beards bidding these crazy prices will, in the medium to long term similarly focus on the NA 981 GTS as undoubtedly being the equivalent sweetspot in the range particularly as recent reports confirm the new 4 cylinder turbo engines in the real world to be no more economical than the glorious flat sixes they replaced.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 18th December 18:49
I think the 380bhp of the GT4 is probably the most powerful Cayman we will see for a while if Porsche stick with the turbo motor. They are already pushing the 2.5 towards its limits, IMHO. Anything >150bhp/l is getting fairly serious on a road car.
This leaves the turbo motor in a bit of a pickle because the boost they would need to run for 400-420bhp would probably ruin the character of the car. Its heavier (slightly) and does not sound anywhere near as good.
I think that will make a big difference on values in a few years time.
This leaves the turbo motor in a bit of a pickle because the boost they would need to run for 400-420bhp would probably ruin the character of the car. Its heavier (slightly) and does not sound anywhere near as good.
I think that will make a big difference on values in a few years time.
red_slr said:
I think the 380bhp of the GT4 is probably the most powerful Cayman we will see for a while if Porsche stick with the turbo motor. They are already pushing the 2.5 towards its limits, IMHO. Anything >150bhp/l is getting fairly serious on a road car.
This leaves the turbo motor in a bit of a pickle because the boost they would need to run for 400-420bhp would probably ruin the character of the car. Its heavier (slightly) and does not sound anywhere near as good.
I think that will make a big difference on values in a few years time.
While I'm no great fan of the 718 I really don't see why a 400bhp 2.5 engine would "ruin" the car (assuming you accept it isn't ruined already) . Assuming you are OK with the characteristics of the base car (150 bhp/litre) with similar characteristics you might expect the 2.5 to output 375bhp. BUT it has a variable geometry turbo so you would expect a bit more from the 2.5 without a signicant change in lag. Let's say near 400bhp. But Porsche are already talking about electric assistance - and clearly twin sequential turbos are an option - apparently there is plenty of physical room. So I can't see why 400+ isn't perfectly viable. The only real issue is whether they want to run it that close to the 911 - and I think they might avoid that.This leaves the turbo motor in a bit of a pickle because the boost they would need to run for 400-420bhp would probably ruin the character of the car. Its heavier (slightly) and does not sound anywhere near as good.
I think that will make a big difference on values in a few years time.
Edited by bcr5784 on Sunday 18th December 20:24
bcr5784 said:
While I'm no great fan of the 718 I really don't see why a 400bhp 2.5 engine would "ruin" the car (assuming you accept it isn't ruined already) . Assuming you are OK with the characteristics of the base car (150 bhp/litre) with similar characteristics you might expect the 2.5 to output 375bhp. BUT it has a variable geometry turbo so you would expect a bit more from the 2.5 without a signicant change in lag. Let's say near 400bhp. But Porsche are already talking about electric assistance - and clearly twin sequential turbos are an option - apparently there is plenty of physical room. So I can't see why 400+ isn't perfectly viable. The only real issue is whether they want to run it that close to the 911 - and I think they might avoid that.
From the 911 owners I know, most of whom who would never consider a 981, would definitely have even less interest in any flat 4 turbo even if it was as quick or slightly quicker than the equivalent model 911 flat 6 turbo's with all the extra weight to drag around Edited by bcr5784 on Sunday 18th December 20:24
Just like an R8 owner is never going to give the TTRS 5 pot a look in despite its phenominal performance in the real world bcr5784 said:
red_slr said:
I think the 380bhp of the GT4 is probably the most powerful Cayman we will see for a while if Porsche stick with the turbo motor. They are already pushing the 2.5 towards its limits, IMHO. Anything >150bhp/l is getting fairly serious on a road car.
This leaves the turbo motor in a bit of a pickle because the boost they would need to run for 400-420bhp would probably ruin the character of the car. Its heavier (slightly) and does not sound anywhere near as good.
I think that will make a big difference on values in a few years time.
While I'm no great fan of the 718 I really don't see why a 400bhp 2.5 engine would "ruin" the car (assuming you accept it isn't ruined already) . Assuming you are OK with the characteristics of the base car (150 bhp/litre) with similar characteristics you might expect the 2.5 to output 375bhp. BUT it has a variable geometry turbo so you would expect a bit more from the 2.5 without a signicant change in lag. Let's say near 400bhp. But Porsche are already talking about electric assistance - and clearly twin sequential turbos are an option - apparently there is plenty of physical room. So I can't see why 400+ isn't perfectly viable. The only real issue is whether they want to run it that close to the 911 - and I think they might avoid that.This leaves the turbo motor in a bit of a pickle because the boost they would need to run for 400-420bhp would probably ruin the character of the car. Its heavier (slightly) and does not sound anywhere near as good.
I think that will make a big difference on values in a few years time.
Edited by bcr5784 on Sunday 18th December 20:24
daro911 said:
From the 911 owners I know, most of whom who would never consider a 981, would definitely have even less interest in any flat 4 turbo even if it was as quick or slightly quicker than the equivalent model 911 flat 6 turbo's with all the extra weight to drag around Just like an R8 owner is never going to give the TTRS 5 pot a look in despite its phenominal performance in the real world
Doubtless true. But if a 718GT4 were to go round the Nordschleife as fast as a GT3 - which is certainly not out of the question - it wouldn't do the 911's image any good, and make the price differential to the 718 more difficult to justify. Just like an R8 owner is never going to give the TTRS 5 pot a look in despite its phenominal performance in the real world GT4P said:
The 981 Gts is no 997 Gts, the 911 Gts range is more unique than other Porsche models gts range , the 997 Gts came with some nice alcantara and stitching bits like the 981 Gts but that is where it ends, the 997 Gts got the 4wd wide body the £10k worth of engine extras and not just a 10 hp ecu boost
Don't forget that £10k for the Power Kit included Sports Chrono and PSE, both which were standard on the 981 GTS. It did include new cylinder heads and a new intake system though, but not £10k's worth of engine changes.The Power Kit was available as an option on the Carrera S too, remember...
Edited by Twinfan on Monday 19th December 08:00
red_slr said:
Maybe but I have yet to drive a VGT from the VAG group which did not lag like a goodun <3000rpm. At 20-23psi its going to be worse. IMHO. Total pie in the sky though, but Porsche already push the 2.0 with 19psi, pretty boosty for a base car. "Very VAG" though, IME.
That's why I said "assuming you don't think it's ruined already". The current level of lag in the base 718 is unacceptable to me personally - but clearly not to everyone. Some even say they don't notice it. So I don't think a 400-430 bhp GT4 is likely to be unacceptable to those potential buyers - even if you or I wouldn't fancy it.Small movement, one addition, two removed/sold
23 OPC GT4's FOR SALE in total(since 11/11/2016)
17 OPC GT4's SOLD in total(since 11/11/2016)
23 OPC GT4's FOR SALE in total(since 11/11/2016)
| Year | Colour | Mileage | Price | OPC | Brakes | Seats | Leather | Trim | Phone | Sat Nav | Clubsport | Link | Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2015(65) | Blue | 9780 | £84995 | Colchester | Steel | Sports | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(16) | White | 1092 | £87990 | Cardiff | Steel | Sports | No | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(16) | White | 1197 | £87990 | Cardiff | Steel | Race | No | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(65) | White | 3641 | £88990 | Bristol | Steel | Sports | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(16) | Yellow | 1042 | £89000 | Leicester | Steel | Sports | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(15) | Yellow | 16021 | £89900 | Portsmouth | PCCB | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(16) | Yellow | 4305 | £89990 | Newcastle | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | No | Yes | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(65) | White | 1385 | £89990 | Bristol | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | Yes | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(16) | Black | 3372 | £90990 | Cardiff | Steel | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(65) | Black | 50 | £91990 | Swindon | Steel | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | New addition |
| 2015(65) | Blue | 2286 | £92000 | Edinburgh | Steel | Race | Yes | Painted | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(65) | White | 3948 | £92981 | Tewkesbury | Steel | Sports | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(65) | White | 1065 | £92995 | Colchester | Steel | Race | No | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(65) | Red | 715 | £93000 | Mid Sussex | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | Yes | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(65) | Black | 1655 | £93000 | Mid Sussex | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | Yes | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(16) | Yellow | 550 | £93900 | Bournemouth | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(65) | White | 2973 | £93995 | Wolverhampton | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(15) | Red | 899 | £94850 | Exeter | PCCB | Sports | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(65) | Red | 1542 | £94890 | Portsmouth | Steel | Race | No | Anthracite | Yes | No | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(65) | Blue | 1300 | £95000 | Solihull | Steel | Race | Yes | Leather | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(65) | Yellow | 754 | £95990 | Cardiff | PCCB | Sports | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2016(16) | Black | 2092 | £95990 | Bristol | PCCB | Sports | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
| 2015(65) | Silver | 1000 | £97000 | Silverstone | Steel | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Clicky | Available |
17 OPC GT4's SOLD in total(since 11/11/2016)
| Year | Colour | Mileage | Price | OPC | Brakes | Seats | Leather | Trim | Phone | Sat Nav | Clubsport | Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2015(65) | Yellow | 7326 | £79000 | Glasgow | Steel | Sports | Yes | Brushed | Yes | No | No | Sold ~11/11/2016 (confirmed) |
| 2016(65) | Black | 3145 | £83990 | Newcastle | Steel | Sports | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~28/11/2016 (confirmed) |
| 2015(65) | White | 5299 | £86990 | Newcastle | Steel | Race | Yes | Anthracite | Yes | No | Yes | Sold ~16/12/2016 |
| 2015(65) | White | 3726 | £88000 | Leicester | Steel | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | Yes | Sold ~09/12/2016 |
| 2015(65) | Red | 4070 | £89500 | Glasgow | Steel | Race | Yes | Painted | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~05/12/2016 |
| 2015(65) | Red | 782 | £89500 | Edinburgh | Steel | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~18/11/2016 (confirmed) |
| 2016(65) | White | 2260 | £89995 | Colchester | Steel | Sports | Yes | Anthracite | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~19/12/2016 |
| 2016(16) | Black | 1692 | £89995 | Colchester | Steel | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | Yes | Sold ~16/12/2016 |
| 2016(16) | Silver | 230 | £89995 | Tonbridge | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~12/12/2016 |
| 2015(65) | Grey | tbc | £tbc | East London | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | Yes | Sold ~17/11/2016 (confirmed) |
| 2016(16) | Blue(PTS) | 1431 | £93990 | Cardiff | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~21/11/2016 (confirmed) |
| 2016(65) | Black | 50 | £94000 | East London | Steel | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~23/11/2016 |
| 2016(16) | Silver | 20 | £99500 | Solihull | PCCB | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~11/11/2016 (confirmed) |
| 2016(16) | Blue | 700 | £100000 | Solihull | PCCB | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~21/11/2016 |
| 2016(65) | Blue | 81 | £101995 | Brooklands | Steel | Race | Yes | Brushed | Yes | Yes | Yes | Sold ~16/12/2016 |
| 2016(16) | Green(PTS) | 3500 | £102000 | Solihull | PCCB | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | No | Sold ~21/11/2016 |
| 2016(16) | Red | 2300 | £102000 | Solihull | PCCB | Race | Yes | Carbon | Yes | Yes | Yes | Sold ~19/12/2016 |
Twinfan said:
GT4P said:
The 981 Gts was a no brainer buying new over a regular S because of the extra kit but that does not make it a better car worth more than 10% over regular car!
Maybe not to you The market will decide its value, just like it will for the GT4. Which coincidentally is also a parts bin special. Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff