12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[JayK12]

Maxym said:

+1.

BTW I note that today there are only three Cayman GTSs for sale at OPCs. All are older than mine, two of the three have higher miles than mine, none has a better spec and all have an asking price higher than what I paid five months ago.

I bought by BGTS this summer and i found CGTS and BGTS were flying out the door, I missed many in my 2 weeks of hunting. Even though i bought in summer, I would also have to pay more for the same car now. Just like the GT4, Spyder, the GTS is desirable to people who want more of a special road Cayman without having it more track focused like the GT4, like wise the Boxster, people may want an electric roof etc. Quite a few BGTS are now available at OPC (well 10 - 1 Manual) I guess these will hang around until Spring for sure. All great cars anyhow and all desirable.

Edited by JayK12 on Monday 19th December 17:20

[Fokker]

red_slr said:

I think the 380bhp of the GT4 is probably the most powerful Cayman we will see for a while if Porsche stick with the turbo motor. They are already pushing the 2.5 towards its limits, IMHO. Anything >150bhp/l is getting fairly serious on a road car.

This leaves the turbo motor in a bit of a pickle because the boost they would need to run for 400-420bhp would probably ruin the character of the car. Its heavier (slightly) and does not sound anywhere near as good.

I think that will make a big difference on values in a few years time.

I reckon that the next GT4 and Spyder will use the 911 S' 3 litre turbo and this will follow a pattern because the current GT4 is using the same generation 911S motor as in the 3.8..

There is no other option as far as i can see. Expect about 415 bhp it won't be 430 bhp!

Edited by Fokker on Monday 19th December 17:57

[daro911]

Fokker said:

I reckon that the next GT4 and Spyder will use the 911 S' 3 litre turbo and this will follow a pattern because the current GT4 is using the same generation 911S motor as in the 3.8..

There is no other option as far as i can see. Expect about 415 bhp it won't be 430 bhp!

Edited by Fokker on Monday 19th December 17:57

But Porsche have already covered this off by saying the flat 6 turbo engine no longer physically fits the 718 layout hence cars are now flat 4's

[Fokker]

daro911 said:

But Porsche have already covered this off by saying the flat 6 turbo engine no longer physically fits the 718 layout hence cars are now flat 4's

I'm pretty sure the 6 will still fit this platform unless I am mistaken. There was talk of this before.

I would be amazed if a turbo 4 went into the next GT4.

[Twinfan]

An NA six will fit, but not a turbo six (extra piping etc).

I'd be amazed if there;s another GT4 and it's NOT a turbo'd four!

[daro911]

Fokker said:

I'm pretty sure the 6 will still fit this platform unless I am mistaken. There was talk of this before.

I would be amazed if a turbo 4 went into the next GT4.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/4-reasons-the-porsche-718-boxster-went-to-turbo-four-pot-power/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kelleybluebook/2016/10...

The advanced engine was earmarked to power future 911 models, but the celebrated new 3.0-liter flat-6 and its forced induction plumbing would not find a home in the Boxster and Cayman. “A flat-six twin-turbo engine would not have fit in the available room in the engine bay of the 718,” explains Markus Baumann, Porsche’s Manager for Boxer engine development. “To bring a naturally aspirated flat-six engine to the performance levels of the turbocharged flat-fours would have meant having to increase the displacement significantly, which would have had a detrimental effect on the efficiency of the car.”

So, Porsche did the logical thing and lopped two cylinders and a turbocharger off the 3.0-liter six to create a 2.0-liter flat-4, with a single turbocharger.

[Fokker]

Fair enough, I see what you're saying. If they use the old F6 all well and good but if they did use the F4T, the current GT4 and Spyder would become very coveted things indeed!
Personally i reckon they'll stick with an F6 so in that case I reckon it'll use the same unit but with slightly more power even though its the expensive option.

[GT4P]

Personally I cannot see them using the current engine , by the time and if there is another gt4 that engine would have been unused in production for 3-4 years it's my belief that the 3.8 is now gone forever and the only large capacity NA engine are in th gt3 variants but probably not for long! It would not surprise me if when the 991.2 gt3 arrives its announced as the last NA in a GT car! I don't see Porsche doing a backward step my thinking is a f4 turbo with 400 hp keeping it behind slightly behind the current 991.2s which will be up for replacement by then ( same as with the current gt4 and outgoing 991.1s) yet a clear distance to the forthcoming 718 Gts !

Edited by GT4P on Tuesday 20th December 15:47

[Fokker]

GT4P said:

Personally I cannot see them using the current engine , by the time and if there is another gt4 that engine would have been unused in production for 3-4 years it's my belief that the 3.8 is now gone forever and the only large capacity NA engine are in th gt3 variants but probably not for long! It would not surprise me if when the 991.2 gt3 arrives its announced as the last NA in a GT car! I don't see Porsche doing a backward step my thinking is a f4 turbo with 410 hp keeping it behind slightly the current 991.2s yet a clear distance to the forthcoming 718 Gts !

... and very good news for current GT4 and Spyder owners... !

[GT4P]

It's called progress and some years to come even the 718 might become a bit of a gem when engines in caysters become flat twin cylinder turbo electric hybrids!

[lemmingjames]

Fokker said:

... and very good news for current GT4 and Spyder owners... !

depending on if the current owners/future owners really care about which engine is in the car, if its a turbo or if the model is seen as a trinket or not.

[Fokker]

GT4P said:

It's called progress and some years to come even the 718 might become a bit of a gem when engines in caysters become flat twin cylinder turbo electric hybrids!

Turbos in a small CC engine ruin it for me. Its different if you have a V8 turbo as the lag is less annoying.

Twin cylinder electric hybrids? The futures bright!

[Cheib]

Fokker said:

GT4P said:

Personally I cannot see them using the current engine , by the time and if there is another gt4 that engine would have been unused in production for 3-4 years it's my belief that the 3.8 is now gone forever and the only large capacity NA engine are in th gt3 variants but probably not for long! It would not surprise me if when the 991.2 gt3 arrives its announced as the last NA in a GT car! I don't see Porsche doing a backward step my thinking is a f4 turbo with 410 hp keeping it behind slightly the current 991.2s yet a clear distance to the forthcoming 718 Gts !

... and very good news for current GT4 and Spyder owners... !

Very good news for current owners! There's no way they'll use anything but the current TT engine tweaked for more performance. The cost of doing that vs engineering a different engine for a limited run would be just ludicrous from a cost perspective I would think.

Edited by Cheib on Tuesday 20th December 23:39

[sebulban]

Although not through OPC - picked up my GT4 today! What a ride home that was..... cant wait for it to be light again and get back out!!!!

First impressions (from a guy who's only frame of reference is a Cayman S) is what a gear box!!!!! So smooth and sharp!!! Long gearing didn't bother me as I was thrashing past traffic on the country roads in Wiltshire!!!

[kilarney]

GT4P said:

Personally I cannot see them using the current engine , by the time and if there is another gt4 that engine would have been unused in production for 3-4 years it's my belief that the 3.8 is now gone forever and the only large capacity NA engine are in th gt3 variants but probably not for long! It would not surprise me if when the 991.2 gt3 arrives its announced as the last NA in a GT car! I don't see Porsche doing a backward step my thinking is a f4 turbo with 400 hp keeping it behind slightly behind the current 991.2s which will be up for replacement by then ( same as with the current gt4 and outgoing 991.1s) yet a clear distance to the forthcoming 718 Gts !

Edited by GT4P on Tuesday 20th December 15:47

I agree and would add that a halo GT with a totally different drivetrain configuration doesnt drag the the rest of the range along so well especially for a non GT like the Spyder. I cant see Spyder and the Gt running different engines

[kilarney]

sebulban said:

Although not through OPC - picked up my GT4 today! What a ride home that was..... cant wait for it to be light again and get back out!!!!

First impressions (from a guy who's only frame of reference is a Cayman S) is what a gear box!!!!! So smooth and sharp!!! Long gearing didn't bother me as I was thrashing past traffic on the country roads in Wiltshire!!!

If you take what you read then could be forgiven for thinking the gearbox is a dog but the reality is somewhat different. Great car

[sebulban]

kilarney said:

If you take what you read then could be forgiven for thinking the gearbox is a dog but the reality is somewhat different. Great car

Well I am amazed by it!!! Really is a thing of beauty! Sure there is probably "better." But read what professionals say about it and they rave too so think we are in good company.

[Andrew911]

Fokker said:

GT4P said:

Personally I cannot see them using the current engine , by the time and if there is another gt4 that engine would have been unused in production for 3-4 years it's my belief that the 3.8 is now gone forever and the only large capacity NA engine are in th gt3 variants but probably not for long! It would not surprise me if when the 991.2 gt3 arrives its announced as the last NA in a GT car! I don't see Porsche doing a backward step my thinking is a f4 turbo with 410 hp keeping it behind slightly the current 991.2s yet a clear distance to the forthcoming 718 Gts !

... and very good news for current GT4 and Spyder owners... !

As a 981 Spyder owner - of course I would be happy to own one of the last na f6 Porsche's. My money is still on AP's comments - hinting that the next GT4 will be na F6. He also hinted that it won't all be about outright power; hinting that it will probably only be a few hp up on the 718 GTS.

[ags11]

Of course it would suit us owners if it's the last 6.
I do think there'll be one more 6.
The turbo 4's might be close performance wise, but I don't think the GT philosophy is straight line speed.
Also from a demand point of view Porsche must know there'd be a stampede for what would surely be the last NA6.
If I was them that would be the goal if at all possible!

[Koln-RS]

OK, we're all guessing, but I suspect the current GT4 will be the last of the N/A variants, hence the extended run out we saw.

Based on Porsche's usual timescale between models, we must be looking at 2018/19 for the next model,and by then Porsche will be fully committed to 'turbo' power, and will want to cement that with a 4-cylinder turbo unit in the GT4. Which will, I am sure, be another great car - although the N/A v Turbo debate will run on.