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This has been done to death. Gen 3 PCCBs are a great option to me because they are the same ones for the RS which is heavier and a lot more HP. They are a lot more durable than earlier generation discs.
When they are finished, buy ST discs if you don't need warranty. Or go OEM for at most 4k a side. Realistically, I have never seen anyone replace ALL 4 at the same time.
Same theory for clubsport cage. One should always spec it, remove it if you never go on track or don't care about a cage and use the extra storage space/save weight, but come resale, you can always re-install it.
anywho, isn't the outdated PCM the worst choice? Aren't people better off with a mobile phone using Waze?
When they are finished, buy ST discs if you don't need warranty. Or go OEM for at most 4k a side. Realistically, I have never seen anyone replace ALL 4 at the same time.
Same theory for clubsport cage. One should always spec it, remove it if you never go on track or don't care about a cage and use the extra storage space/save weight, but come resale, you can always re-install it.
anywho, isn't the outdated PCM the worst choice? Aren't people better off with a mobile phone using Waze?
TDT said:
I drove the Agate Grey car @ Reading on Friday.... and bought it.
Moving up from PDK X73 Cayman GTS to the GT4. Previously owned PDK 997 GTS 2 Coupe.
I had given up on what to replace the Cayman GTS with, because the 981 package is awesome - it's the right size for the UK and practical with its two boots and decent equipment level and comfort as well as class defining driving dynamics.
Shortlisted and driven a number of cars -
McLaren 570s - was thinking about the 570GT - a lot of car, beautiful drive with so much performance but didn't feel it was right for me - super car lairy with the doors and I'm not that rockstar yet.
Mercedes AMG GT S - fast, luxurious, sounds like thunder but the feel through the helm and chassis is disconnected when you're used to Porsche dynamics.
991.2 GTS - lovely car but I think if I was going turbo, I want the big block Turbo, and that the 3.0l turbos are a mid step before the all new platform comes in
I thought I'd finally decided to keep the GTS for longer - had it from new isince 2014, as my daily, but over recent weeks started to become a bit frustrated with it, as I wanted it to feel more special - The GT4 is special.
Combination of manual gear box which actually I now realised I have missed for driving engagement. 918 Buckets, huge brakes, roll cage, big wing and of course the 3.8 flat six.
I'd been planning how to make the GTS more special - looking at headers and tuning packages, drive train and chassis, but the problem is that I'd be throwing money at it and really what I wanted was some that was more special from the start.
Started to think I'd ask my local dealer to keep an eye out for a GT4 or 981 Spyder and let me know.
I popped into the dealership on Friday for a general sniff of what was new - as I walk through the car park, Tom, head of sales says … "what you here for, T?" I say "general look", he says… "GT3 or GT4?" We walk through the door and there it is right at reception and the keys are handed to me… "take your time… then let's have a chat…"
I have always respected and hankered after a GT4, whilst also being a big advocate that the GTS was all I'd ever need for the road, and a PDK 981 GTS really is a weapon, BUT, after driving that GT4 - first turn of the wheel and first shift - I knew I was wrong and that I'd been bitten. Where do I sign.… please.
GT4 has a familiar layout but really feels like a different car to the series 981 and that's because it is different with a completely bespoke rear axle and chassis set up. Thing that surprised me most was the pliancy of the ride on the PASM vs the X73 in the GTS. GT4 is just more sophisticated - plain and simple - it's evident right away, it even puts the power down better as a result.
To keep the GT4 for real driving, I'll be picking up something on lease to take car of daily duties, and we also have a GLA.
This particular car has really been cared for in perfect condition and barely run in, which the CS ancillaries nicely in boxes. Thank you Mr Previous Owner.
This car won't be a garage queen whilst in my care - I plan to keep it for a long time and am not worried about putting good driving miles on it because I believe this is the car I've been looking for in my Porsche journey so far - something that will grow on me - that I'll learn, can be adjusted, has been built to take the punishment and will deliver rewards.
Should be picking up on the weekend - I can't wait.
Great post and perfect timing for me.Really useful insight and very helpful The demise of my Evora leaves me looking for a suitable replacement and its come down to R8 V10 Plus which I've always hankered after or a Porsche of various flavours. I've done the earlier GT3 thing to death TBH so something a little different this time on the cards.Moving up from PDK X73 Cayman GTS to the GT4. Previously owned PDK 997 GTS 2 Coupe.
I had given up on what to replace the Cayman GTS with, because the 981 package is awesome - it's the right size for the UK and practical with its two boots and decent equipment level and comfort as well as class defining driving dynamics.
Shortlisted and driven a number of cars -
McLaren 570s - was thinking about the 570GT - a lot of car, beautiful drive with so much performance but didn't feel it was right for me - super car lairy with the doors and I'm not that rockstar yet.
Mercedes AMG GT S - fast, luxurious, sounds like thunder but the feel through the helm and chassis is disconnected when you're used to Porsche dynamics.
991.2 GTS - lovely car but I think if I was going turbo, I want the big block Turbo, and that the 3.0l turbos are a mid step before the all new platform comes in
I thought I'd finally decided to keep the GTS for longer - had it from new isince 2014, as my daily, but over recent weeks started to become a bit frustrated with it, as I wanted it to feel more special - The GT4 is special.
Combination of manual gear box which actually I now realised I have missed for driving engagement. 918 Buckets, huge brakes, roll cage, big wing and of course the 3.8 flat six.
I'd been planning how to make the GTS more special - looking at headers and tuning packages, drive train and chassis, but the problem is that I'd be throwing money at it and really what I wanted was some that was more special from the start.
Started to think I'd ask my local dealer to keep an eye out for a GT4 or 981 Spyder and let me know.
I popped into the dealership on Friday for a general sniff of what was new - as I walk through the car park, Tom, head of sales says … "what you here for, T?" I say "general look", he says… "GT3 or GT4?" We walk through the door and there it is right at reception and the keys are handed to me… "take your time… then let's have a chat…"
I have always respected and hankered after a GT4, whilst also being a big advocate that the GTS was all I'd ever need for the road, and a PDK 981 GTS really is a weapon, BUT, after driving that GT4 - first turn of the wheel and first shift - I knew I was wrong and that I'd been bitten. Where do I sign.… please.
GT4 has a familiar layout but really feels like a different car to the series 981 and that's because it is different with a completely bespoke rear axle and chassis set up. Thing that surprised me most was the pliancy of the ride on the PASM vs the X73 in the GTS. GT4 is just more sophisticated - plain and simple - it's evident right away, it even puts the power down better as a result.
To keep the GT4 for real driving, I'll be picking up something on lease to take car of daily duties, and we also have a GLA.
This particular car has really been cared for in perfect condition and barely run in, which the CS ancillaries nicely in boxes. Thank you Mr Previous Owner.
This car won't be a garage queen whilst in my care - I plan to keep it for a long time and am not worried about putting good driving miles on it because I believe this is the car I've been looking for in my Porsche journey so far - something that will grow on me - that I'll learn, can be adjusted, has been built to take the punishment and will deliver rewards.
Should be picking up on the weekend - I can't wait.
Edited by TDT on Monday 27th March 23:06
Budget easier to square at GTS levels for sure but a GT4 is just about the perfect tool for my purpose.What I needed was some insight into how they compare
Easier to square the required man maths now.
HokumPokum said:
This has been done to death. Gen 3 PCCBs are a great option to me because they are the same ones for the RS which is heavier and a lot more HP. ?
so like the 380MM iron disks with are oem fit also on the 991 RS which is heavier and a lot more HP :-)It maybe done to death but the GT4 has zero issues with a 380 MM iron set up !
Phooey said:
Geoff39GL said:
Yes Live near Bottesford, if your local perhaps go for a blast some Sunday morning
I wouldn't be much fun at the mo Geoff (GT4 recently sold and Cayenne a bit pipe and slippers for a Sunday hoon). I Miss tearing up the Vale of Belvoir...
Agree totally I really miss the RS should never have sold it, the GT4 is a good car but its not an RS
Geoff39GL said:
Agree totally I really miss the RS should never have sold it, the GT4 is a good car but its not an RS
re GT4 - yes, great car (for the money) but not quite a 997 GT3/RS
Phooey said:
Geoff39GL said:
Agree totally I really miss the RS should never have sold it, the GT4 is a good car but its not an RS
re GT4 - yes, great car (for the money) but not quite a 997 GT3/RS
Had the RS for two and a half years and used it, it is was not a garage queen.
The GT4 is yellow with same plate just about to go and pick it up from OPC Nottm.
Anyone with ceramics had a problem with the brakes binding when slowing to a stop, only noticeable when nearly stopped.
I have had 3 previous cars with ceramics and none had this problem, OPC says they are fine, after initially saying leave it with us, says they are all like it. Disagree !
Perhaps all get together for a run out in the future if we are reasonably close together.
Geoff39GL said:
Had the RS for two and a half years and used it, it is was not a garage queen.
The GT4 is yellow with same plate just about to go and pick it up from OPC Nottm.
Anyone with ceramics had a problem with the brakes binding when slowing to a stop, only noticeable when nearly stopped.
I have had 3 previous cars with ceramics and none had this problem, OPC says they are fine, after initially saying leave it with us, says they are all like it. Disagree !
Perhaps all get together for a run out in the future if we are reasonably close together.
I would imagine that the car just needs to be used Geoff. I have steels and its noticeable when the car is literally just about to stop - the car has done 3k miles. My last one was like that too. I would imagine that it will become less apartment as the brakes are used more?The GT4 is yellow with same plate just about to go and pick it up from OPC Nottm.
Anyone with ceramics had a problem with the brakes binding when slowing to a stop, only noticeable when nearly stopped.
I have had 3 previous cars with ceramics and none had this problem, OPC says they are fine, after initially saying leave it with us, says they are all like it. Disagree !
Perhaps all get together for a run out in the future if we are reasonably close together.
Nickz said:
Geoff39GL said:
Had the RS for two and a half years and used it, it is was not a garage queen.
I know, I followed you around the Lakes in the rain!Happy days
Nick
Some good roads though, the Sunday morning blast was excellent cannot quite remember where it was but stopped for a break after a real good run possibly someone will recognize where it is.
Porsche911R said:
so like the 380MM iron disks with are oem fit also on the 991 RS which is heavier and a lot more HP :-)
It maybe done to death but the GT4 has zero issues with a 380 MM iron set up !
And you've just changed the subject.It maybe done to death but the GT4 has zero issues with a 380 MM iron set up !
There are many reasons to prefer PCCB's over steels, many do.
Personal choice should not be the subject of argument ...
You say that PCM is essential ... I say it's planned obsolescence ... we are both right.
To PCM or to not PCM ?? It's not worth discussing, it's personal choice.
ChrisW. said:
Porsche911R said:
so like the 380MM iron disks with are oem fit also on the 991 RS which is heavier and a lot more HP :-)
It maybe done to death but the GT4 has zero issues with a 380 MM iron set up !
And you've just changed the subject.It maybe done to death but the GT4 has zero issues with a 380 MM iron set up !
There are many reasons to prefer PCCB's over steels, many do.
Personal choice should not be the subject of argument ...
You say that PCM is essential ... I say it's planned obsolescence ... we are both right.
To PCM or to not PCM ?? It's not worth discussing, it's personal choice.
PCM on the other hand...... is simply throwing money away.
HokumPokum said:
But you do get more performance from the PCCB, whether you find that worthwhile or not is strictly a financial decision. All I am saying is that is not so clear cut.
Have you any data to back up your claim ? I would go as far to say a iron disk set up with RS29pads might well out brake the PCCB setup.Also I find the iron set up easier to threshold brake, thus a performance gain for the iron disks. As threshold braking is key to track driving and laptimes.
But as neither of us have any data these claims are pie in the sky on either side.
As for me liking PCM, I have 3 Porkers 2 without PCM ! I hate the system it's very dated.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 6th April 14:16
lemmingjames said:
So arguing for arguments sake then, well done
Not really, time and time again you hear PCCB offer much greater performance (and in some cased they do). One is allowed to question why people state these claims ? esp ona car like the GT4 which has the 991 RS 380MM iron disk set up which even AP said is over braked !what you doing here again ? arguing for arguments sake :-p you don't even own GT4 ! or intend to buy one, so you must be here just to kick up the dust like normal !
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