12 GT4's for sale on PistonHeads and growing

[tracydeedance]

Appreciate your comments on the CR we all have our opinions and knowledge of driving both.
But have to disagree the CR is far superior and the nearest you can get to a GT4
And at the end of the day it's limited numbers circa 102 man box.
But everyone has there own opion.

[HokumPokum]

i think if you want stock stick to CR otherwise if you are modifying, a CS makes much more sense.

[tracydeedance]

Yes agree.

[Sam All]

The GT4 punches well above its weight.

However, if the car had been offered at £105k, the queue would be non existent. The 991 GT3 list price was around that and that was good value.

At £105k for the GT4, there would be more moans about the gearing, power etc.

A 7.2 GT3 at £105k? A 991 Turbo S?

March will see many GT4 registrations and will provide a good indicator of where prices are settling at.

[GT4P]

I would say a manual 981 Gts specd with buckets and x73 suspension is closer to a gt4 than a CR but then it's still missing the 3.8engine ,the gt3 front suspension ,bespoke rear and aero!
If porsche had done a better job on the CR and not just a mild make over the story would be different

[Porsche911R]

You have to have lived with the R to know how great it is.

As for modding a S is better, not really

Buckets £8k
Spyder wheels £5k
Diff
X73
Alloy doors
Plus the little details, black headlights aero kit etc.

Hard to find an S which will be only £8k less to buy with all those options !
The R is the perfect platform to make a amazing car not the S

In fact if any one is selling one in the right spec with PCCB's under 20k miles, let me know
Prob only 3 or 4 cars made so a hard hunt, o and in white with xenons and leather lol
Maybe the unicorn car.

[fridaypassion]

I'm hunting again but not over fussed about pccbs although they are good.

[av185]

Sam All said:

However, if the car had been offered at £105k, the queue would be non existent.

This is doubtful......remember this is a car which toppled the mighty RS in Ecoty......and there are many more buyers with c £105k to spend than c £150k on the GT3. Never ceases to amaze me how many spec a 'cooking' non GT Carrera to over £100k with needless options.

[Porsche911R]

fridaypassion said:

I'm hunting again but not over fussed about pccbs although they are good.

you getting the R now I See after a shaky start :-) one of Porches best cars imo the last 10 years.

[Sam All]

av185 said:

Sam All said:

However, if the car had been offered at £105k, the queue would be non existent.

This is doubtful......remember this is a car which toppled the mighty RS in Ecoty......and there are many more buyers with c £105k to spend than c £150k on the GT3. Never ceases to amaze me how many spec a 'cooking' non GT Carrera to over £100k with needless options.

JZM's CS car not being snapped up at 105k

A 911 Carrera is probably the most well rounded car in the Porsche range. Hugely versatile.

[fridaypassion]

Porsche911R said:

you getting the R now I See after a shaky start :-) one of Porches best cars imo the last 10 years.

It's not about getting it but I think the markets there now. The S is just as good but you are less likely to find the spec that makes them really good like LSD/buckets etc

[anissut]

Sam All said:

The GT4 punches well above its weight.

However, if the car had been offered at £105k, the queue would be non existent. The 991 GT3 list price was around that and that was good value.

At £105k for the GT4, there would be more moans about the gearing, power etc.

A 7.2 GT3 at £105k? A 991 Turbo S?

March will see many GT4 registrations and will provide a good indicator of where prices are settling at.

GT4 at 105k new (i.e.: delivery miles and overs) is not comparable to a 3 year old 991 Turbo S. Not is it comparable to a 5 year old 997.2 GT3. What I am saying is that a GT4 at 105k new represents good value against a Turbo S at 140-150k new. It probably also represents reasonable value against a 991 GT3 at 125k-130k.

The 996 GT3 was 80-85k when it was new. The GT4 is more modern, faster, better suspension at a guess and at 65k basic and 75k with a good spec represents amazing value for money IMHO.

Certainly don't expect the GT4 to sit at 100k for a 3 year old car with 10k miles. Would expect it to be nearer list at that point.

Obviously there is the risk the whole market could really st itself but then whether you have a GT4 or a Turbo S or anything they will all be effected.

[HokumPokum]

Porsche911R said:

You have to have lived with the R to know how great it is.

As for modding a S is better, not really

Buckets £8k
Spyder wheels £5k
Diff
X73
Alloy doors
Plus the little details, black headlights aero kit etc.

Hard to find an S which will be only £8k less to buy with all those options !
The R is the perfect platform to make a amazing car not the S

In fact if any one is selling one in the right spec with PCCB's under 20k miles, let me know
Prob only 3 or 4 cars made so a hard hunt, o and in white with xenons and leather lol
Maybe the unicorn car.

for modding a CS
recaro SPG/bracket and harness bar/harness
more robust diff
Intrax/ohlins suspension
SVP rear composite hatch
lithium battery
lightweight exhaust
cup steering wheel
rss tarmac series LCA/drop links/toe links
proper steel discs with endless/rs 29 pads
18 inch forged alloys

carbon door cards are optional

but it ain't stock.

[anissut]

franki68 said:

Totally,although I will say I agree about thegt4 being more than quick enough for uk roads,if you came into one from say a car with 520bhp like I did then it is lacking in straight line urge .its not that it's slow,it's what someone is used to that can lead to them describing it as lacking that department.It also feels like it could handle a lot more power easily.

Yes, I can relate to this. Last 2 cars before the GT4 were a 997 Turbo S and a R35 Nissan GTR. Both amazing cars in their own right. BUT as a package I really do think my GT4 is more enjoyable. Living in London you could maybe use 1 gear in the Turbo S or GTR as after that you'd be at silly speeds and driving pretty irresponsibly. Then again at times I do miss the effortless torque and power of the 500+bhp cars as on a dual carriageway or motorway they were epic.

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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I don't miss the point, you do IMO, the r buckets were free, to mod an S with what has been said would cost £30k lol
No ones going to spend double the S price.

You won't find much lighter wheels either than spyder wheels and again free. forged wheels cost loads !

So you have already spent a lot more on a S already buying just new wheels and seats, alone !


S prices are very strong ,

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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yes you can by buckets lighter but an S is only a little bit cheaper , as I said the S prices are strong and the R buckets are FREE ! :-)

ruining the look of a car with total after market look never looks that great , unless you are after a stripped out racer imo.

but I think I could add up mods to £30k , I'll come back to you later with a list, I even think £30k might not be enough lol

[lsb]

It may well cost less to buy and then mod a Cayman S but I am fairly certain that when you come to sell it you will lose more than if you had bought a Cayman R or a GT4 for that matter.

If you can afford the extra outlay you will be quids in come resale. Modifying any car is for the love of it and imho should only be considered for 'keepers'. There are many beautifully modified cars that sit in the classifieds for ages, especially in the high end, high value context.

Much cheaper to let someone else do the work :-)

[Porsche911R]

we are talking about a nice keeper , no one cares about resale if you are building car for yourself.

[Porsche911R]

find me a nice S for £25k with sub 20k miles on it 2012 model.

just done a mod list for a perfect car £42k :-) now one can cut corners, but if we are talking about making the perfect Cayman then it's >£40k of mods on a S inc labour. you did say forged wheels !!! and I went for Carbon Recaro poles as they look nice and not chavy, but saved £800 keeping then non leather :-).

better to start with an R and keep the Spyder wheels, and R buckets + diff (yes it's a bit naff) and have the R look with added nicer bits.

I was shocked the cost was £42k my self (best parts though), but still buy an R for £38k and spend £23k on it and you have the perfect R imo for £60k which would be mega. and still have the R looks, black headlights, aero kit and alloy doors ;-)

labour adds up unless you can do all the work which I doubt any one can so that inc's £3.5k labour.

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 14th February 15:16

[Porsche911R]

anonymous said:

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I do it with you all the time, take off the Carbon buckets then and add some cheap st and it's still £39,500 on my list of perfect mods !
I would do away with forged wheels though my self and save £5k , but you wanted those !!

Prices add up I am afraid, you would never know as you only talk the talk on modding cars, where I mod every thing I have.

£20k on a R would get you a mega thing, if you keep the buckets, diff, Short shift and spyder wheels, all of which you need to buy on the S

not sure what you don't get !

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 14th February 15:21