Flying Scotsman
Discussion
Is back on the tracks! 
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
I will be keeping an eye on the diary of locations for when it passes near me
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
I will be keeping an eye on the diary of locations for when it passes near me
And it will switch to 60103 and BR green next month - http://www.nrm.org.uk/flyingscotsman/scotsman-seas...
It would seem the NRM are running double standards with 4771 and 4472
Both locos are part of the national collection Soooooooo
4771 doubtful if it will ever run again as IIRC the monocoque cylinder casting is cracked and they claim to cast three new cylinders would compromise its authenticity.
Now 1472/4472/503/60103 , if they still believe in that statement
running as 4472 should either be retrofitted with a single chimney, no deflectors, and have a corridor tender to represent the period 4/28 to 10/36, a GN tender from 10/36 to 7/38 and a streamlined tender from 7/38 to 1/48 and be RH drive from build to 10/47 notwithstanding the various number and paint changes
Even now, it is a hotchpotch and going by RCTS Vol 2a is still wrong with the Corridor tender, just taking to loco on its own
it is only correct from 12/61 to withdrawal
prior to that
SC to 12/59
DC 12/59 to 1/63
Def+DC 12/61 to 1/63
So the purist doesn't and cannot get exactly what they want. for me it should be BR Green ,and as it has run with an S/C it can again. How about getting a Streamlined tender body being built and swapping them over with the corridor one. But in LNER livery and modern trappings, sorry not for me.
But if it makes the NRM money, and by Christ they ought to make an effort due to the amount of cash thrown at it over the last few years , they are going down the journalist mantra, and not leting the facts(livery) get in the way of a good story. (historical fact)
just my 2d
If any of you have an interest in minature engineering have a look at how this chap is building an A3
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/5733/building...
Thee is anther chap doing the same class
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/9044/inch-gau...
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/5733/building...
Both locos are part of the national collection Soooooooo
4771 doubtful if it will ever run again as IIRC the monocoque cylinder casting is cracked and they claim to cast three new cylinders would compromise its authenticity.
Now 1472/4472/503/60103 , if they still believe in that statement
running as 4472 should either be retrofitted with a single chimney, no deflectors, and have a corridor tender to represent the period 4/28 to 10/36, a GN tender from 10/36 to 7/38 and a streamlined tender from 7/38 to 1/48 and be RH drive from build to 10/47 notwithstanding the various number and paint changes
Even now, it is a hotchpotch and going by RCTS Vol 2a is still wrong with the Corridor tender, just taking to loco on its own
it is only correct from 12/61 to withdrawal
prior to that
SC to 12/59
DC 12/59 to 1/63
Def+DC 12/61 to 1/63
So the purist doesn't and cannot get exactly what they want. for me it should be BR Green ,and as it has run with an S/C it can again. How about getting a Streamlined tender body being built and swapping them over with the corridor one. But in LNER livery and modern trappings, sorry not for me.
But if it makes the NRM money, and by Christ they ought to make an effort due to the amount of cash thrown at it over the last few years , they are going down the journalist mantra, and not leting the facts(livery) get in the way of a good story. (historical fact)
just my 2d
If any of you have an interest in minature engineering have a look at how this chap is building an A3
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/5733/building...
Thee is anther chap doing the same class
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/9044/inch-gau...
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/5733/building...
Edited by silverfoxcc on Tuesday 12th January 15:17
Collectingbrass said:
Bebee said:
Why doesn't it have 4472 on it?
I Be nice to see it kept in it's WW2 black for a lot longer IMHO.
silverfoxcc said:
It would seem the NRM are running double standards with 4771 and 4472
Both locos are part of the national collection Soooooooo
4771 doubtful if it will ever run again as IIRC the monocoque cylinder casting is cracked and they claim to cast three new cylinders would compromise its authenticity.
Now 1472/4472/503/60103 , if they still believe in that statement
running as 4472 should either be retrofitted with a single chimney, no deflectors, and have a corridor tender to represent the period 4/28 to 10/36, a GN tender from 10/36 to 7/38 and a streamlined tender from 7/38 to 1/48 and be RH drive from build to 10/47 notwithstanding the various number and paint changes
Even now, it is a hotchpotch and going by RCTS Vol 2a is still wrong with the Corridor tender, just taking to loco on its own
it is only correct from 12/61 to withdrawal
prior to that
SC to 12/59
DC 12/59 to 1/63
Def+DC 12/61 to 1/63
So the purist doesn't and cannot get exactly what they want. for me it should be BR Green ,and as it has run with an S/C it can again. How about getting a Streamlined tender body being built and swapping them over with the corridor one. But in LNER livery and modern trappings, sorry not for me.
But if it makes the NRM money, and by Christ they ought to make an effort due to the amount of cash thrown at it over the last few years , they are going down the journalist mantra, and not leting the facts(livery) get in the way of a good story. (historical fact)
just my 2d
If any of you have an interest in minature engineering have a look at how this chap is building an A3
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/5733/building...
Thee is anther chap doing the same class
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/9044/inch-gau...
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/5733/building...
Isn't it all a bit 'Trigger's Broom' (or is it Mallard that has the wrong boiler??) anyway? I don't particularly mind if the colour matches the physical representation, for me it made its name (legend) during its LNER career, and that's why in my eyes it should be 4472. But I do quite like the current wartime scheme.Both locos are part of the national collection Soooooooo
4771 doubtful if it will ever run again as IIRC the monocoque cylinder casting is cracked and they claim to cast three new cylinders would compromise its authenticity.
Now 1472/4472/503/60103 , if they still believe in that statement
running as 4472 should either be retrofitted with a single chimney, no deflectors, and have a corridor tender to represent the period 4/28 to 10/36, a GN tender from 10/36 to 7/38 and a streamlined tender from 7/38 to 1/48 and be RH drive from build to 10/47 notwithstanding the various number and paint changes
Even now, it is a hotchpotch and going by RCTS Vol 2a is still wrong with the Corridor tender, just taking to loco on its own
it is only correct from 12/61 to withdrawal
prior to that
SC to 12/59
DC 12/59 to 1/63
Def+DC 12/61 to 1/63
So the purist doesn't and cannot get exactly what they want. for me it should be BR Green ,and as it has run with an S/C it can again. How about getting a Streamlined tender body being built and swapping them over with the corridor one. But in LNER livery and modern trappings, sorry not for me.
But if it makes the NRM money, and by Christ they ought to make an effort due to the amount of cash thrown at it over the last few years , they are going down the journalist mantra, and not leting the facts(livery) get in the way of a good story. (historical fact)
just my 2d
If any of you have an interest in minature engineering have a look at how this chap is building an A3
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/5733/building...
Thee is anther chap doing the same class
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/9044/inch-gau...
http://modeleng.proboards.com/thread/5733/building...
Edited by silverfoxcc on Tuesday 12th January 15:17
I agree it is primarily about the legend really - I did love it as a boy (my father drove it many years ago - briefly up and down a siding).
Silver fox I sort of see your point, but only sort of I am afraid (namely the NRM seemingly contradictory stance on authenticity). You talk about the details being wrong, but to be perfectly honest I believe life to be rather too short to let whether it is a single or double chimney get in the way of the magic that made everyone fall in love with it in the first place.
Scotsman is - and always will be - a special case though. Certainly more so than Green Arrow (seeing as that was the other thing mentioned)- and certain compromises will need to be made to have it preserved for the nation* (eg. not throwing money at a brand new tender so it looks right to the handful in the know - this overhaul is what, double over budget already?).
I do sometimes think that the die hard enthusiasts resent the casual interest generated by the 'special case' locomotives - but that's an aside.
Anyway - I have parted with some hard earned to by the old man a trip from York - Settle and back for his birthday.
Silver fox I sort of see your point, but only sort of I am afraid (namely the NRM seemingly contradictory stance on authenticity). You talk about the details being wrong, but to be perfectly honest I believe life to be rather too short to let whether it is a single or double chimney get in the way of the magic that made everyone fall in love with it in the first place.
Scotsman is - and always will be - a special case though. Certainly more so than Green Arrow (seeing as that was the other thing mentioned)- and certain compromises will need to be made to have it preserved for the nation* (eg. not throwing money at a brand new tender so it looks right to the handful in the know - this overhaul is what, double over budget already?).
I do sometimes think that the die hard enthusiasts resent the casual interest generated by the 'special case' locomotives - but that's an aside.
Anyway - I have parted with some hard earned to by the old man a trip from York - Settle and back for his birthday.
- in this country we seem to like things preserved for the nation - see the general mourning over the Vulcan. So I am happy to embrace some compromises if it means something special can be kept going
Edited by Vocal Minority on Tuesday 12th January 16:34
I can see whee you are all coming from, in fact i have got video of it running in grey primer through Taplow sans nameplates, To m mind though i only remember it going through Wood Green in BR Green. you may as well paint Concorde in the original BOAC colours. think of that well known engineering adage
If it look right, then it is right, and it doesnt look right in apple green with deflectors. However an A3 did run in LNER days, 1937, with a DC so if you renumbered 2751 and renamed it Humorist that would be OK but without the deflectors
If it look right, then it is right, and it doesnt look right in apple green with deflectors. However an A3 did run in LNER days, 1937, with a DC so if you renumbered 2751 and renamed it Humorist that would be OK but without the deflectors
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