Discussion
The paradoxes I referred to were with FP's line of argument rather than with the CR per se. If I read back we have:
A personal view that the CR was too stiff for the road - fair enough. And furthermore this experience became one that was detested and bitter for the owner.
Then a view that it is actually too polished - accepting that the personal view expressed above is the exception to the experience of most CR owners.
Most owners would appreciate a car that can 'make a rough road feel like a smooth race track' as apposed to one that ' moves around a lot' as it hits bumps, but tells you it's moving around a lot. Or even one that 'makes an average drive feel like a driving God'.
Then you have the tough job of finding a good spec S, and arguably not enough money left over for an Elise. Certainly not enough for a GT4 as Bubbles managed.
So what I conclude from this paradoxical argument is that the CR is the better compromise for most owners irrespective of whether it's road or track or both that ticks your box. So we all agree then!
Porsche911R said:
I think you have to take "BubblesNW" and "Fridaypassions" comments with a pinch of salt
they have a hard on for that S and nothing will change that.
I just ignore them now they have a hard on for that S and nothing will change that.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 10th May 08:47
Their sport is to TRY and wind up happy CR owners 
I have to say I don’t agree with the whole Cayman R being too hard for the road and actually thought it was the perfect compromise, but then I always thought my VX220 was far to crashy on the oem bilsteins (I know Jon wont agree with this) and my exige on nitrons was just ridiculous, even after I had them rebuilt with softer springs and revised dampening for road/track use.
At the end of the day it’s all very subjective, although I’ve not driven the magical unicorn so that could be the game changer!
At the end of the day it’s all very subjective, although I’ve not driven the magical unicorn so that could be the game changer!
n17ves said:
I have to say I don’t agree with the whole Cayman R being too hard for the road and actually thought it was the perfect compromise, but then I always thought my VX220 was far to crashy on the oem bilsteins (I know Jon wont agree with this) and my exige on nitrons was just ridiculous, even after I had them rebuilt with softer springs and revised dampening for road/track use.
At the end of the day it’s all very subjective, although I’ve not driven the magical unicorn so that could be the game changer!
I agree - R is nigh on perfect compromise for me in terms of ride/handling balance. I don't mind the Exige's ride but it is definitely firmer than than the R beautifully damped though, so that's about as firm as I could live with day to day. Tried a GTR a few years ago and I just couldn't live with that level of firmness and I'd end up speeding to make it more comfortable.At the end of the day it’s all very subjective, although I’ve not driven the magical unicorn so that could be the game changer!
Pagoda1966 said:
I find the R perfect for UK roads, acceptable on bad roads, sublime on good / smooth roads. Contrast that with my old mk1 GT.3 which was bleeding awful on all but billiard table smooth roads.....I've had a few nice cars and the R is not far off motoring perfection for me.....
I entirely agree having also had a 996.1 GT3CS and a 64RS
I keep saying we have a lot of past GT3 owners in R's but again I get shot down every time for it !!!
The R is the perfect out the box drivers road car imo, hence buying another even while owning a GT4 !!
GT3 suck on UK roads, but hay I have been saying that for 5 years and it's a battle lol
The R is the perfect out the box drivers road car imo, hence buying another even while owning a GT4 !!
GT3 suck on UK roads, but hay I have been saying that for 5 years and it's a battle lol
Ditto as above had 2 996 GT3s CR is a better road car for perfect balance.
Yes it's not got the GT3 violent acceleration but it doesnt pretend to be GT3.
Also had a Cayman Sport limited edition although a good car its not as good as the R.
Found the suspension in normal mode to wafty and is sport to fidgety.
CR is what a CR is doesn't pretend to be a GT4 or any other car.
Cars evolve and for the most improve its progress.
Yes a car any car could have been better when made so why knock the CR.except it for what it is.
It's a great drivers car value for money looking at the Porsche market now days.
Yes it's not got the GT3 violent acceleration but it doesnt pretend to be GT3.
Also had a Cayman Sport limited edition although a good car its not as good as the R.
Found the suspension in normal mode to wafty and is sport to fidgety.
CR is what a CR is doesn't pretend to be a GT4 or any other car.
Cars evolve and for the most improve its progress.
Yes a car any car could have been better when made so why knock the CR.except it for what it is.
It's a great drivers car value for money looking at the Porsche market now days.
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read the 3 people above why they like the R better than the GT3 for road use, I am not the only one hereif you don't get it you are just being pig headed and the sillier you look !
It can go on for pages me saying the 996 GT3 does not ride very well on UK roads but please don't ruin another R thread !
anonymous said:
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Chaps - stay on target. There's no point in debating a subjective view of GT3 VS Cayman R. What I find interesting is that whenever the R is discussed, the GT3 comes up at some point. Goes to show what high esteem the R is held in if it takes a Porsche Motorsport car to compare it with, when in reality it's just a good road car that can occasionally be taken on track.anonymous said:
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Chaps - stay on target. There's no point in debating a subjective view of GT3 VS Cayman R. What I find interesting is that whenever the R is discussed, the GT3 comes up at some point. Goes to show what high esteem the R is held in if it takes a Porsche Motorsport car to compare it with, when in reality it's just a good road car that can occasionally be taken on track.I think the GT3 comes up a lot because many people who now have CRs have owned a GT3 and what great car the GT3 is a truely fantastic engine.
But with the change in our roads from say 10 years ago and dare I say it we are that bit older.
It's just to demanding to drive on the road yes fantastic for a 20 min blast but gets tiresome like a bucking bronco,that's where the CR comes in its a better road car for long euro trips but still heaps of fun finely balanced decent sound with PSE plenty quick enough for our roads and can cope with occasional track good all rounder.
In an ideal world we all would probably want 3 or 4 Porsches one for each occasion.
Obviously all our needs are different in cars and specs who's to say which is the right spec it's down to that particular owners wants.
Just spend time with a CR they are truely great value for money in the Porsche market in the way they drive.
This is just an honest opinion from a owner of such a car with nothing to gain.
All you CR owners enjoy the ride I know I do.
But with the change in our roads from say 10 years ago and dare I say it we are that bit older.
It's just to demanding to drive on the road yes fantastic for a 20 min blast but gets tiresome like a bucking bronco,that's where the CR comes in its a better road car for long euro trips but still heaps of fun finely balanced decent sound with PSE plenty quick enough for our roads and can cope with occasional track good all rounder.
In an ideal world we all would probably want 3 or 4 Porsches one for each occasion.
Obviously all our needs are different in cars and specs who's to say which is the right spec it's down to that particular owners wants.
Just spend time with a CR they are truely great value for money in the Porsche market in the way they drive.
This is just an honest opinion from a owner of such a car with nothing to gain.
All you CR owners enjoy the ride I know I do.
You just get daft comments from people who have not lived with either car :-( when as you say a lot of R owners have owned a GT3 in the past, but we all get slated by non owners saying we all drive crap if the GT3 is not king !
R owners know how good the R is , non R owners don't it's that simple :-) enjoy the R's, last of the manual cars with passive sus and hydraulic steering.
even the GT3 went to PASM to try and make them work on the UK roads wit ha softer setting after the 996 fails so bad on them !
But as most people want to track a GT3 end up ripping the PASM off, that again was a bit of a fail !
GT3 sus has always been a funny one to me, it needs a set of 3 ways out the box other wise all you are buying into is that engine and imo that don't work on UK B roads either lol !
odd car the GT3 !
R owners know how good the R is , non R owners don't it's that simple :-) enjoy the R's, last of the manual cars with passive sus and hydraulic steering.
even the GT3 went to PASM to try and make them work on the UK roads wit ha softer setting after the 996 fails so bad on them !
But as most people want to track a GT3 end up ripping the PASM off, that again was a bit of a fail !
GT3 sus has always been a funny one to me, it needs a set of 3 ways out the box other wise all you are buying into is that engine and imo that don't work on UK B roads either lol !
odd car the GT3 !
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 12th May 10:10
Porsche911R said:
R owners know how good the R is , non R owners don't it's that simple :-) enjoy the R's, last of the manual cars with passive sus and hydraulic steering.
Enjoyed a CR for 3 years now, although it is not manual and does not have buckets. It has been such fun - only cover 2 thousand miles a year and now looking for something different. Suggestions?Did consider the Boxster Spyder but they seem to be fetching premiums at present.
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