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matt21 said:
Thanks for the kind offer. Think I'll pass though, as a daily without a/c it is probably a bit hardcore. I have a CSL too, so should probably get a fast daily and this instead of the CSL. Problem is don't think I could sell it !
I have a similar dilema in that I quite fancy getting a GT4, in which case the CSL would probably go.Has anyone made the move from a CSL to a CR or GT4?
nw942 said:
I have a similar dilema in that I quite fancy getting a GT4, in which case the CSL would probably go.
Has anyone made the move from a CSL to a CR or GT4?
Me, I have owned all 3 and still own 2 of the 3. Has anyone made the move from a CSL to a CR or GT4?
Cayman R is the best car I have owned for blasting about, so much so I sold my R to buy my GT4 , then bought another R because I missed it.
What do you want to know ? Neither are like a CSL so hard to put one vs the other.
The R is a small light car by today's standards, 1295kg's
Has only 265 tyres, but with better steering than any GT3 I have been in, hydrolic steering and a Rev happy engine.
No PASM or PTV either, it's quite a perfect thing, ok it needs a few tweaks but no car is perfect.
The GT4 is an amazing car has crazy grip fat tyres longer gears, to really have fun you have got be going at least 20mph faster than the R at any point and the eps takes that last bit of steering feel away esp in the wet.
CSL well it's an automatic, but the induction noise is 2nd to none, and fast sweapers the car rules most things, that engine revs and sounds great also, but very low mph, poor brakes, rear trailing arms bushes fail every 5k miles ! And they are just a bit leggy now IMO.
Every one into cars has to have owned a CSL though, an iconic car.
perfection never happens one could easy spend £8k on the R in tweaks and £6k on he GT4
CSL again brakes need the AP kit and some sort of rtab mod.
If you want oem fun they all have a weakness, if you are willing to play then all can be fantastic cars.
The R size and feel have most other cars licked though, depends what the use is.
key difference, o yes CSL is front engine :-) so it's useless in the snow with no weight over the rear lol
but drifts well !
Has only 265 tyres, but with better steering than any GT3 I have been in, hydrolic steering and a Rev happy engine.
No PASM or PTV either, it's quite a perfect thing, ok it needs a few tweaks but no car is perfect.
The GT4 is an amazing car has crazy grip fat tyres longer gears, to really have fun you have got be going at least 20mph faster than the R at any point and the eps takes that last bit of steering feel away esp in the wet.
CSL well it's an automatic, but the induction noise is 2nd to none, and fast sweapers the car rules most things, that engine revs and sounds great also, but very low mph, poor brakes, rear trailing arms bushes fail every 5k miles ! And they are just a bit leggy now IMO.
Every one into cars has to have owned a CSL though, an iconic car.
perfection never happens one could easy spend £8k on the R in tweaks and £6k on he GT4
CSL again brakes need the AP kit and some sort of rtab mod.
If you want oem fun they all have a weakness, if you are willing to play then all can be fantastic cars.
The R size and feel have most other cars licked though, depends what the use is.
key difference, o yes CSL is front engine :-) so it's useless in the snow with no weight over the rear lol
but drifts well !
Edited by Porsche911R on Wednesday 7th December 19:49
Thanks for your reply.
What do I want to know? Probably whether I will regret selling the CSL for a GT4
It ticks so many boxes and is a car I really look forward to driving every time. For some reason (???) I'm not convinced that I will have the same feelings for the GT4.
But the lure of a different (hopefully better) experience cannot be denied.
Your post on the '997 GTS Hexagon' was useful too. I shall have to try both.
What do I want to know? Probably whether I will regret selling the CSL for a GT4
It ticks so many boxes and is a car I really look forward to driving every time. For some reason (???) I'm not convinced that I will have the same feelings for the GT4.But the lure of a different (hopefully better) experience cannot be denied.
Your post on the '997 GTS Hexagon' was useful too. I shall have to try both.
What do people think about the aqua blue cr that jzm have in at the moment ? Not to sure about colour, need to see it in person, seems to have most wanted options except being pdk rather than manual. Would it be a good car for resale purposes ? I've had a Cayman gts in manual before and regret selling it, will a pdk cr be as good ? Mainly road use with perhaps 4 track days a year including a couple of Euro trips. Thanks
Looks good to me and I like it in that colour. I've got a PDK CR in meteor grey. I've not had it long but I think the PDK gearbox suits the car well. I'm sure you will get plenty on here saying manual is better and better for long term investment but I would buy it expecting to hopefully not lose too much in depreciation.
A PDK car was my preference.
A PDK car was my preference.
ttexige said:
What do people think about the aqua blue cr that jzm have in at the moment ? Not to sure about colour, need to see it in person, seems to have most wanted options except being pdk rather than manual. Would it be a good car for resale purposes ? I've had a Cayman gts in manual before and regret selling it, will a pdk cr be as good ? Mainly road use with perhaps 4 track days a year including a couple of Euro trips. Thanks
Almost exactly what I use mine for. I came from a manual 964 that served the same purpose (trips and track days). I haven't missed the manual box one iota. The PDK was just as much fun round Spa and much better when stuck in traffic in the Brussels rush hour. ttexige said:
What do people think about the aqua blue cr that jzm have in at the moment ? Not to sure about colour, need to see it in person, seems to have most wanted options except being pdk rather than manual. Would it be a good car for resale purposes ? I've had a Cayman gts in manual before and regret selling it, will a pdk cr be as good ? Mainly road use with perhaps 4 track days a year including a couple of Euro trips. Thanks
I've not seen that car but I have seen Aqua on other Caymans and it looks stunningnw942 said:
matt21 said:
Thanks for the kind offer. Think I'll pass though, as a daily without a/c it is probably a bit hardcore. I have a CSL too, so should probably get a fast daily and this instead of the CSL. Problem is don't think I could sell it !
I have a similar dilema in that I quite fancy getting a GT4, in which case the CSL would probably go.Has anyone made the move from a CSL to a CR or GT4?
However, great car the R is it's just a great road car, very competent but didn't have the pedigree or the special feel of the CSL, so I sold both and bought a GT3. In my opinion the only step on from a CSL is a GT3, but proves that CSLs are actually really great cars.
did your cayman R have a PDK?
My CSL is modified with AP brakes and a full FIA spec cage with intrax 1k2 suspension but with standard drivetrain except for a lightweight exhaust.
Reliability wise it has been a dream with only the hydraulic power steering hose giving up on track due to age. The drivetrain has been bullet proof despite only ever living on track but I think the diff is giving up after 70k miles so will get it replaced.
when the CSL goes, if, I will be keen to replicate this with either the Cayman or an exige.
how is the PDK compared to SMG ON TRACK?
My CSL is modified with AP brakes and a full FIA spec cage with intrax 1k2 suspension but with standard drivetrain except for a lightweight exhaust.
Reliability wise it has been a dream with only the hydraulic power steering hose giving up on track due to age. The drivetrain has been bullet proof despite only ever living on track but I think the diff is giving up after 70k miles so will get it replaced.
when the CSL goes, if, I will be keen to replicate this with either the Cayman or an exige.
how is the PDK compared to SMG ON TRACK?
HokumPokum said:
did your cayman R have a PDK?
My CSL is modified with AP brakes and a full FIA spec cage with intrax 1k2 suspension but with standard drivetrain except for a lightweight exhaust.
Reliability wise it has been a dream with only the hydraulic power steering hose giving up on track due to age. The drivetrain has been bullet proof despite only ever living on track but I think the diff is giving up after 70k miles so will get it replaced.
when the CSL goes, if, I will be keen to replicate this with either the Cayman or an exige.
how is the PDK compared to SMG ON TRACK?
My R was manual, but driven plenty of PDKs on track and are a vast improvement on the CSL SMG.My CSL is modified with AP brakes and a full FIA spec cage with intrax 1k2 suspension but with standard drivetrain except for a lightweight exhaust.
Reliability wise it has been a dream with only the hydraulic power steering hose giving up on track due to age. The drivetrain has been bullet proof despite only ever living on track but I think the diff is giving up after 70k miles so will get it replaced.
when the CSL goes, if, I will be keen to replicate this with either the Cayman or an exige.
how is the PDK compared to SMG ON TRACK?
Be very careful replacing the CSL, easy to be disappointed and regretful...
I never use smg other than in manual mode and is s6, the shift is quick enough on up shifts and much faster than I can downshift manually. Still an awesome driving machine but now too hardcore compared to the porsches.
If I blow up that magnificent engine, it's only 8.5k from BMW for a csl replacement brand new.
If I blow up that magnificent engine, it's only 8.5k from BMW for a csl replacement brand new.
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