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This might have been covered before but what sort of Geos are people running? I'm getting too much scrub on the edges of the tyres. The outers scrubbed first then got the already twiddled with geo but back to standard (sorry Bubbles) but still scrubbing up the edges. Is it something to do with the Spyder wheel and tyre sizes? Just wondering if anyone has made some changes to try and get more even tyre wear? Car is only used on the road so I'm not looking for any fancy handling changes.
fridaypassion said:
This might have been covered before but what sort of Geos are people running? I'm getting too much scrub on the edges of the tyres. The outers scrubbed first then got the already twiddled with geo but back to standard (sorry Bubbles) but still scrubbing up the edges. Is it something to do with the Spyder wheel and tyre sizes? Just wondering if anyone has made some changes to try and get more even tyre wear? Car is only used on the road so I'm not looking for any fancy handling changes.
No offence taken Jon but I think there is a trade off between front end sharpness, lack of initial understeer and tyre wear. fridaypassion said:
This might have been covered before but what sort of Geos are people running? I'm getting too much scrub on the edges of the tyres. The outers scrubbed first then got the already twiddled with geo but back to standard (sorry Bubbles) but still scrubbing up the edges. Is it something to do with the Spyder wheel and tyre sizes? Just wondering if anyone has made some changes to try and get more even tyre wear? Car is only used on the road so I'm not looking for any fancy handling changes.
Should have bought a genuine R Jon 
Made that downgrade once never again! I've seen a good few pics of R's having outer wear on track the fronts on this were a little scrubbed before but inners as well now.
Bubbles I've just changed them yesterday so will see how we get on. Its having a top mount done next week so will probably do the geo again once thats done.
Bubbles I've just changed them yesterday so will see how we get on. Its having a top mount done next week so will probably do the geo again once thats done.
going to list it in the next couple of days just in case 
yea the detail was just over 1k, mainly due to the fact the last owner took it to hand car washes and had some really bad marks in the paint! this had a nearly full paint correction, full correction would have been wet sanding in a few areas and would have taken a lot longer.
Car had a good couple of weeks at the detailer, wheels off and cleaned and ceramic coated alloys and callipers, car has had three layers of a 9h ceramic..
If the paint wasn't so bad would have been £800/£900 but I wasn't happy with how it looked, now it looks amazing!!
Car had a good couple of weeks at the detailer, wheels off and cleaned and ceramic coated alloys and callipers, car has had three layers of a 9h ceramic..
If the paint wasn't so bad would have been £800/£900 but I wasn't happy with how it looked, now it looks amazing!!
andy.yeow said:
gutted for you fella but it looks fantastic so should fetch good money. Good luck with it.Glad to have discovered this thread...thinking of buying one
I am about to sell a house and I am going to use some of the proceeds to buy a couple of cars.
I want something thats a brilliant drive, prob do the odd trackday, and also a good bet for appreciation.
I've had a 996.2 GT3 before that I stupidly sold for £53k. I managed to own 2 classic 911s and make money on neither. And I bought and crashed an M3 CSL before they were mega money. i also recall going to see a 964RS at 911 Virgin for £25k and didnt buy it. doh.
its not all bad though as I do have an immaculate Megane R26.R tucked away which must be up there as a candidate for best FWD car ever made. I think they will double in value from here.
my thinking is the Cayman R hits the spot
- limited numbers
- raved about in the press at the time and soon enough will be a modern classic
- analogue driving experience that you cant buy new anymore
- potential to get dragged up by more expensive Porsches (ie CR becomes a relative value trade)
as mentioned earlier in the thread, the poor reception to the turbo flat four must be helpful. What do people think about the mega money being paid for the 911 R does...does it make "R" more valuable or is that nonsense??
all thoughts welcome - particularly what spec would you buy if price didnt matter? Am I correct on: white (for best linkage to 911R) / manual / buckets / spyder wheels
I am about to sell a house and I am going to use some of the proceeds to buy a couple of cars.
I want something thats a brilliant drive, prob do the odd trackday, and also a good bet for appreciation.
I've had a 996.2 GT3 before that I stupidly sold for £53k. I managed to own 2 classic 911s and make money on neither. And I bought and crashed an M3 CSL before they were mega money. i also recall going to see a 964RS at 911 Virgin for £25k and didnt buy it. doh.
its not all bad though as I do have an immaculate Megane R26.R tucked away which must be up there as a candidate for best FWD car ever made. I think they will double in value from here.
my thinking is the Cayman R hits the spot
- limited numbers
- raved about in the press at the time and soon enough will be a modern classic
- analogue driving experience that you cant buy new anymore
- potential to get dragged up by more expensive Porsches (ie CR becomes a relative value trade)
as mentioned earlier in the thread, the poor reception to the turbo flat four must be helpful. What do people think about the mega money being paid for the 911 R does...does it make "R" more valuable or is that nonsense??
all thoughts welcome - particularly what spec would you buy if price didnt matter? Am I correct on: white (for best linkage to 911R) / manual / buckets / spyder wheels
squirdan said:
Glad to have discovered this thread...thinking of buying one
I am about to sell a house and I am going to use some of the proceeds to buy a couple of cars.
I want something thats a brilliant drive, prob do the odd trackday, and also a good bet for appreciation.
I've had a 996.2 GT3 before that I stupidly sold for £53k. I managed to own 2 classic 911s and make money on neither. And I bought and crashed an M3 CSL before they were mega money. i also recall going to see a 964RS at 911 Virgin for £25k and didnt buy it. doh.
its not all bad though as I do have an immaculate Megane R26.R tucked away which must be up there as a candidate for best FWD car ever made. I think they will double in value from here.
my thinking is the Cayman R hits the spot
- limited numbers
- raved about in the press at the time and soon enough will be a modern classic
- analogue driving experience that you cant buy new anymore
- potential to get dragged up by more expensive Porsches (ie CR becomes a relative value trade)
as mentioned earlier in the thread, the poor reception to the turbo flat four must be helpful. What do people think about the mega money being paid for the 911 R does...does it make "R" more valuable or is that nonsense??
all thoughts welcome - particularly what spec would you buy if price didnt matter? Am I correct on: white (for best linkage to 911R) / manual / buckets / spyder wheels
I'm not sure it's worth comparing to a 911R to be quite honest. The CR was praised by some at launch, but slated just as much by others. It wasn't until a couple of years after launch that it became appreciated for the car it is. I am about to sell a house and I am going to use some of the proceeds to buy a couple of cars.
I want something thats a brilliant drive, prob do the odd trackday, and also a good bet for appreciation.
I've had a 996.2 GT3 before that I stupidly sold for £53k. I managed to own 2 classic 911s and make money on neither. And I bought and crashed an M3 CSL before they were mega money. i also recall going to see a 964RS at 911 Virgin for £25k and didnt buy it. doh.
its not all bad though as I do have an immaculate Megane R26.R tucked away which must be up there as a candidate for best FWD car ever made. I think they will double in value from here.
my thinking is the Cayman R hits the spot
- limited numbers
- raved about in the press at the time and soon enough will be a modern classic
- analogue driving experience that you cant buy new anymore
- potential to get dragged up by more expensive Porsches (ie CR becomes a relative value trade)
as mentioned earlier in the thread, the poor reception to the turbo flat four must be helpful. What do people think about the mega money being paid for the 911 R does...does it make "R" more valuable or is that nonsense??
all thoughts welcome - particularly what spec would you buy if price didnt matter? Am I correct on: white (for best linkage to 911R) / manual / buckets / spyder wheels
Buy a CR because you want a great car, they haven't really moved a huge amount in value over the last couple of years. Great if you don't want to lose money but hardly a fast appreciating asset.
I think that the GT4 will become a little like a Cayman R in that it will find its max prices but for the odd few that will be sitting in collections with ultra low miles. I think that we're not far off that max price already, but I don't see them going up much more (if any) for those that are actually being driven, and they should be driven.
My Cayman R gets driven although not as an everyday car. Its now done 32k and mileage will continue to rise so I don't expect the price to go up, but I do expect it to remain stable or at worst, depreciate very slowly. The Cayman R simply isn't the kind of bespoke, limited edition of a 911R which has a whole raft of detailed and engineered upgrades passed on from another, more focused "halo" model within the range. I think that the market didn't take to the Cayman R because it was received as nothing other than a simple to achieve 10bhp uplift and a case of "add lightness", tighten up the handling some more and add some marketing spin. Its a great car though and so much more than I just articulated when its all put together. All that stuff does add to the drive, does make it (very importantly) the enjoyable and accessible thing that it is, and at a price that is just about realistic. I think that those cars in collections with ultra low miles may rise a fair bit in a few years, but I want to drive mine and so for me, its a safe place to put my money, but its not an investment strategy!
My Cayman R gets driven although not as an everyday car. Its now done 32k and mileage will continue to rise so I don't expect the price to go up, but I do expect it to remain stable or at worst, depreciate very slowly. The Cayman R simply isn't the kind of bespoke, limited edition of a 911R which has a whole raft of detailed and engineered upgrades passed on from another, more focused "halo" model within the range. I think that the market didn't take to the Cayman R because it was received as nothing other than a simple to achieve 10bhp uplift and a case of "add lightness", tighten up the handling some more and add some marketing spin. Its a great car though and so much more than I just articulated when its all put together. All that stuff does add to the drive, does make it (very importantly) the enjoyable and accessible thing that it is, and at a price that is just about realistic. I think that those cars in collections with ultra low miles may rise a fair bit in a few years, but I want to drive mine and so for me, its a safe place to put my money, but its not an investment strategy!
I get that a CR is nothing like a 911 R from an engineering p-o-v
but - lets look at the 968 CS. you could make the same arguments...no more power, basically the same as a standard one with no backseats and some decals (unless M030)
and yet they are now £35k for good ones and rising
and look at the 911 CS white with sidewinders, not much different to a standard 911 of same era but at least double the price
the CR follows the same recipe....small production numbers, decals and a special name??
£60k seems plausible to me
when the high end stuff is going bonkers you always get a trickle down effect. lots of GT3 owners probably feeling their cars are too valuable now to track...sell for £70k plus, buy a CR and have £25k in the bank
but - lets look at the 968 CS. you could make the same arguments...no more power, basically the same as a standard one with no backseats and some decals (unless M030)
and yet they are now £35k for good ones and rising
and look at the 911 CS white with sidewinders, not much different to a standard 911 of same era but at least double the price
the CR follows the same recipe....small production numbers, decals and a special name??
£60k seems plausible to me
when the high end stuff is going bonkers you always get a trickle down effect. lots of GT3 owners probably feeling their cars are too valuable now to track...sell for £70k plus, buy a CR and have £25k in the bank
completely agree. dont get me wrong - I want it to drive! but if I have to sell in X years time to pay school fees, handy if its been profitable fun miles
R26.R failed to sell out its limited production. and yet, now seen as a nailed on modern classic
funny old game
and as you say, hard to find good value Pork these days. I paid £43k for my GT3 and loved it, but for £70k...just feels a lot for a 12 year old car
R26.R failed to sell out its limited production. and yet, now seen as a nailed on modern classic
funny old game
and as you say, hard to find good value Pork these days. I paid £43k for my GT3 and loved it, but for £70k...just feels a lot for a 12 year old car
Biggest thing going for the Cayman R is that it was a sales flop new 200 in the country maybe 100 of those with decent spec half of those will have the opposite choice of gearbox you want. Funnily enough the r26r never sold its planned production run. Don't expect the R to drive as well as that though the 26r is quite a thing. Supple and properly analogue.
If you want one that's a properly good investment it really needs to be low mileage, white and all the options. There are a few on the market that haven't shifted in a good few months. The right car will do very well over the longer term. Far less in number than a gt4 and of course all the later NA cars are going to hold money well.
If you want one that's a properly good investment it really needs to be low mileage, white and all the options. There are a few on the market that haven't shifted in a good few months. The right car will do very well over the longer term. Far less in number than a gt4 and of course all the later NA cars are going to hold money well.
For maximum residual spec is important: manual, bucket seats, sports chrono, sports exhaust, PCM etc, and there are less than 60 to 70 cars with that spec I'd guess.
I had a white Cayman R in that very spec with low miles, also had a CSL at the same time, now have a 997 GT3. Whilst being very good the R doesn't approach the specialness of those cars and I don't see the prices ever climbing in the same way.
I had a white Cayman R in that very spec with low miles, also had a CSL at the same time, now have a 997 GT3. Whilst being very good the R doesn't approach the specialness of those cars and I don't see the prices ever climbing in the same way.
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