Rusty caliper "bolts" - Warranty item?
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Some people go through life looking for problems, moving from one battle to the next, just like the OP.
Personally I think life is too short for this. Absolutely, if there is appropriate reason & value to be gained from progressing a matter then fine. But to be fair OP, you just come across as someone who waves the litigious flag far too much, gaining pleasure from making a bit of a nuisance of yourself. I think done things really should be put into context, something which clearly you cannot do.
As another poster has already stated, you must have far too much time on your hands & possibly a bit of a control / seniority complex.
Personally I think life is too short for this. Absolutely, if there is appropriate reason & value to be gained from progressing a matter then fine. But to be fair OP, you just come across as someone who waves the litigious flag far too much, gaining pleasure from making a bit of a nuisance of yourself. I think done things really should be put into context, something which clearly you cannot do.
As another poster has already stated, you must have far too much time on your hands & possibly a bit of a control / seniority complex.
DJMC said:
Dentist did some work on my wife. Paid for it in full.
A month later we get a bill saying "we should have charged you more."
Let them take her to court, then defended (naturally). Dentist didn't turn up so we won. A rather hollow victory (like her tooth!).
Bought some pine chairs 20 odd years ago from Texas Homecare. Wife stood on one to reach a cupboard. Leg broke off the chair, wife fell and broke her leg. Used household legal cover to sue Texas. At first they said she shouldn't have stood on the chair. I argued that if they asked any judge in the land if they'd ever stood on a chair they would say "yes" so its a valid secondary usage. Also, what's the difference between standing on a chair and sitting on it with your legs off the ground? Same weight!
Texas paid up £1,500 for pain and suffering.
There's more...
Wow....can I assume you have never run your own business?A month later we get a bill saying "we should have charged you more."
Let them take her to court, then defended (naturally). Dentist didn't turn up so we won. A rather hollow victory (like her tooth!).
Bought some pine chairs 20 odd years ago from Texas Homecare. Wife stood on one to reach a cupboard. Leg broke off the chair, wife fell and broke her leg. Used household legal cover to sue Texas. At first they said she shouldn't have stood on the chair. I argued that if they asked any judge in the land if they'd ever stood on a chair they would say "yes" so its a valid secondary usage. Also, what's the difference between standing on a chair and sitting on it with your legs off the ground? Same weight!
Texas paid up £1,500 for pain and suffering.
There's more...
I'm probably in the minority here, but DJMC, your approach to life is just plain weird.
It's not a case of everyone, but you, willing to "take it up the tail pipe". That's somewhat patronising/arrogant tbh. I constructed a more verbose response but realised I can't be 4rsed. I'm so weak!
These little legal wins must give you a kick that there is likely to be a suitable analytical explanation for.
It's not a case of everyone, but you, willing to "take it up the tail pipe". That's somewhat patronising/arrogant tbh. I constructed a more verbose response but realised I can't be 4rsed. I'm so weak!
These little legal wins must give you a kick that there is likely to be a suitable analytical explanation for.
Simo_UK said:
I'm probably in the minority here, but DJMC, your approach to life is just plain weird.
It's not a case of everyone, but you, willing to "take it up the tail pipe". That's somewhat patronising/arrogant tbh. I constructed a more verbose response but realised I can't be 4rsed. I'm so weak!
These little legal wins must give you a kick that there is likely to be a suitable analytical explanation for.
How do you know what my approach to "life" is?It's not a case of everyone, but you, willing to "take it up the tail pipe". That's somewhat patronising/arrogant tbh. I constructed a more verbose response but realised I can't be 4rsed. I'm so weak!
These little legal wins must give you a kick that there is likely to be a suitable analytical explanation for.
We're talking about my approach to being "wronged" here, not my approach to life?
No point in trying to analyse me either, you don't know me, nor can you hope to analyse me from one teeny weeny part of my world which is righting wrongs as I see them.
Now, if you are claiming it is perfectly correct for Porsche bolts to rust, for legs to break off chairs, for dentists to charge when they've been paid, for electricity companies to charge when they've been paid, etc... etc... then you are either very rich or very stupid.
Simo_UK said:
I'm probably in the minority here, but DJMC, your approach to life is just plain weird.
It's not a case of everyone, but you, willing to "take it up the tail pipe". That's somewhat patronising/arrogant tbh. I constructed a more verbose response but realised I can't be 4rsed. I'm so weak!
These little legal wins must give you a kick that there is likely to be a suitable analytical explanation for.
I know how you feel, so can I join the minority please!It's not a case of everyone, but you, willing to "take it up the tail pipe". That's somewhat patronising/arrogant tbh. I constructed a more verbose response but realised I can't be 4rsed. I'm so weak!
These little legal wins must give you a kick that there is likely to be a suitable analytical explanation for.
Clicked on this one and thought "oh god here we go again". Readers of boxa net will know what I'm talking about.
It does get boring but like you say, we don't have to be 4rsed to engage with this tiresome stuff I guess!
TB303 said:
It does get boring but like you say, we don't have to be 4rsed to engage with this tiresome stuff I guess!
...but you still do!If you found it so tiresome you wouldn't come back. But, by doing so, you prove that you're fascinated by my resolve and attention to the finest detail point (the ickle rusty bolts).
I hope to keep this car a long time and allowing its condition to slip away isn't something I plan to do. The easy remedy is to wire brush and touch up the bolts. Do you think that's in Porsche's technician's manual? No, I suspect they're suggesting a proper remedy.
I can imagine many of you would be really pissed if PGB/Brembo replaced my two front calipers FOC. "How dare they replace items under warranty!" you'd say, no doubt.
Brainwashed into "they all do that" mentality yet again by your OPC experiences perhaps?
How dare PGB pay me to have my stone chipped Carrera S Platinum alloys refurbished after only 13k miles. How awful of me to have gone above the OPC's head to Porsche Customer Assistance. What was I thinking about when I argued they should have spotted the wheel issue when doing my 111 point check! What were PGB thinking when they AGREED with me, and PAID me!
...and as for calling in Pirelli to look at my half worn P Zeros which had cracks in the rubber in the tread. OUTRAGEOUS that they should send an engineer out to my home, at my convenience, to once again agree with me, and then send me a cheque for £298 to pay for the GOODYEARS I'd had fitted in preference! What is the world coming to when a customer actually gets a good outcome from complaining!
cmoose, I think your contrary view may be because you mostly prefer to be... contrary?
I have the opposite view. It seems to me that owners are easily dissuaded by OPCs about complaining in general, hence the "they all do that sir" so often quoted.
As owners skulk off, having been chastised by their OPC for daring to complain, the OPC scores yet another victory in the "You see! We don't have to do anything to promote customer satisfaction and yet these muppets keep coming back for another car" mentality.
The polished appearance of showrooms and staff can be a little daunting when daring to criticise those who lurk inside that their product is less than perfect. But to approach with the brainwashed attitude of "the OPC is always right... the OPC is always right..." is to lose before you've uttered a word in protest.
What you are saying in essence is not to complain unless your engine blows, or similar, and as has been seen from a link earlier in this thread, that circumstance gets the same "it's your fault" treatment. No, what we all need to do is complain about minor and major things AND not be fobbed off. In this way, Porsche may pay better attention to detail, manufacture a better product so as not to have to deal with so many complaints, and take more seriously their customers' issues. At present, it seems some owners are putty in their dealer's hands? Wusses.
I have the opposite view. It seems to me that owners are easily dissuaded by OPCs about complaining in general, hence the "they all do that sir" so often quoted.
As owners skulk off, having been chastised by their OPC for daring to complain, the OPC scores yet another victory in the "You see! We don't have to do anything to promote customer satisfaction and yet these muppets keep coming back for another car" mentality.
The polished appearance of showrooms and staff can be a little daunting when daring to criticise those who lurk inside that their product is less than perfect. But to approach with the brainwashed attitude of "the OPC is always right... the OPC is always right..." is to lose before you've uttered a word in protest.
What you are saying in essence is not to complain unless your engine blows, or similar, and as has been seen from a link earlier in this thread, that circumstance gets the same "it's your fault" treatment. No, what we all need to do is complain about minor and major things AND not be fobbed off. In this way, Porsche may pay better attention to detail, manufacture a better product so as not to have to deal with so many complaints, and take more seriously their customers' issues. At present, it seems some owners are putty in their dealer's hands? Wusses.
Malo said:
As this thread goes on the saying 'Mountains out of Molehills' comes to mind.
The 'victories' are really 'shut me ups' when considering the companies and values involved.
So if going through life looking for faults in everything is what floats a persons boat ....................
The high court case was in respect of £118,000.00 owed to me.The 'victories' are really 'shut me ups' when considering the companies and values involved.
So if going through life looking for faults in everything is what floats a persons boat ....................
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