Rusty caliper "bolts" - Warranty item?

Rusty caliper "bolts" - Warranty item?

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Mousem40

1,667 posts

218 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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DJMC said:
Mousem40 said:
It doesn't look like it's available as a spare part from Porsche

See p.96+ in the Porsche Parts Catalogue (PET) Cayman 2009 onwards version below

http://www.porsche.com/all/media/pdf/originalparts...
Thanks for the link, But I can't see a p.96? Are you saying it shows the 987 has captive nuts and this is why they're irreplaceable, as has been suggested?
If you swipe down the page the catalogue page number will appear in the top left of the screen (on an apple product anyway)
Yes they are shown as captive nuts, Porsche don't have a part number for them so wouldn't be able to replace them for you. .

DS240

4,680 posts

219 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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Not commenting whether or not the rusty bolts should be complained about....

.... But the thing that surprises me is that it has been designed with the ugly bolt facing out. Looking at the 987 calipers on the spyder it has a nice flush finish, no bolt in sight. If it is the case you can't remove them anyway then it looks an ugly solution.

DJMC

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3,438 posts

104 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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Trev450 said:
If you speak with Ian at Godspeed - http://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/ I'm sure he will be able to either supply new bolts or tell you where to obtain some.

I have no affiliation with this company, but have experienced good service from them.
Spoke to them, but they've never worked on this calliper so couldn't help, other than to say it looks odd that the calliper has to be removed for pad replacement. More work for the OPC???

Brembo Italy replied saying go to Porsche. Very helpful!

Brakecaliperspecialists.UK ( http://www.brakecaliperspecialists.uk ) responded:

"Hi David,

Porsche are completely wrong and you are quite right, they don't hold the caliper together. The bolts are not available to buy anywhere unfortunately.

The fading black is due to the calipers being anodised, which is essentially corrosion which has been dyed, the corrosion is then supposed to stop moisture getting through to the aluminium so that they don't corrode. It looks nice when it is new, but the finish doesn't last long.

I can suggest a service which will solve both of your problems and give you a 2 year warranty on the finish of the caliper, although in real life they will last much longer.

Our high-end caliper painting service (see here: http://www.brakecaliperspecialists.uk/brake-calipe... ) costs £249 for a set of 4 calipers and we can paint them in any colour you can imagine, although we have matches ready to go for Porsche red, black and carbon ceramic yellow.

I hope this helps, all the best.

Richard"

Hmmm....

Philemon

1,628 posts

197 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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If you do the above, you will void your Warranty.

BertBert

19,072 posts

212 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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or even just for our good.

Malo

152 posts

113 months

Wednesday 13th April 2016
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DJMC said:
Brakecaliperspecialists.UK ( http://www.brakecaliperspecialists.uk ) responded:



The fading black is due to the calipers being anodised, which is essentially corrosion which has been dyed, the corrosion is then supposed to stop moisture getting through to the aluminium so that they don't corrode. It looks nice when it is new, but the finish doesn't last long.

This is not correct !!!



Simo_UK

103 posts

104 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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...or just take the wheel off, clean and repair. Probably an hour at most, including tea breaks!

Numerous people agree that having a visible rusty bolt is not aesthetically pleasing. Me too!

However, this is a second hand car you bought after all, with no guarantee of how it has been previously treated (wheels, tyres, brakes etc).

To that end, I still fail to see that, as you cannot guarantee the car's history, how this can be a considered a warrantee claim.
That said, with your ingrained tenacity and willingness to sue at the earliest opportunity, I'm sure Porsche GB will replace your car with a new one.

I'd probably take a GT4 if there is one going.

DJMC

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3,438 posts

104 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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Simo_UK said:
That said, with your ingrained tenacity and willingness to sue at the earliest opportunity, I'm sure Porsche GB will replace your car with a new one.

I'd probably take a GT4 if there is one going.
Could you expand on this theory and explain your thinking as to why Porsche GB would consider replacing my car with a new one, or a GT4, in relation to my issue with a rusty bolt head please?

I fail to understand why they would do this?

DJMC

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3,438 posts

104 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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woollyjoe said:
All wheel cleaners (i've seen) are acidic or alkaline. the more acidic or alkaline they are, the more corrosive they can be.

The most likely issue with wheel cleaner is when it is left on too long or not rinsed properly.

Dealerships like wheel cleaner because it cleans the wheels quickly. If it was owned by OPC for 6 months (likely under the goverment tax scheme) then it was likely to be a dealer principle car (if Porsche owned dealership) meaning it might hve seen a lot of cleaning. It may also explain excessive wear on paint finish.
It was a Porsche GB head office car, but the same applies, anything could have happened to the wheels when being cleaned by Porsche but it's unlikely they'd say "Ah... yes... it was ourselves that abused the wheels and calipers when we owned the car so that would explain the rust and fading paint.
They're more likely to want to hush this up and blame me or the prior owner.

battered

4,088 posts

148 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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DJMC said:
Simo_UK said:
That said, with your ingrained tenacity and willingness to sue at the earliest opportunity, I'm sure Porsche GB will replace your car with a new one.

I'd probably take a GT4 if there is one going.
Could you expand on this theory and explain your thinking as to why Porsche GB would consider replacing my car with a new one, or a GT4, in relation to my issue with a rusty bolt head please?

I fail to understand why they would do this?
Have you considered the possibility that he is taking the mick? There is also a possibility that he is implying similar of your comments here.

Malo

152 posts

113 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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woollyjoe said:
I would try not worry about who's fault but understanding what happened, should help lead to the best solution. Painting them seems most pragmatic.
Good answer, but then we will have 8 more pages about suing the paint manufacturer, brush makers et al. ....

Darkcat

2,344 posts

171 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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I've just read this whole thing.
All I can say is..

wow.

DS240

4,680 posts

219 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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DJMC said:
Simo_UK said:
That said, with your ingrained tenacity and willingness to sue at the earliest opportunity, I'm sure Porsche GB will replace your car with a new one.

I'd probably take a GT4 if there is one going.
Could you expand on this theory and explain your thinking as to why Porsche GB would consider replacing my car with a new one, or a GT4, in relation to my issue with a rusty bolt head please?

I fail to understand why they would do this?
You're either ignoring it or the sarcasm has not registered.....

DJMC

Original Poster:

3,438 posts

104 months

Thursday 14th April 2016
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DS240 said:
You're either ignoring it or the sarcasm has not registered.....
Sarcasm?

No...!!!!!!!

FrankCayman

2,121 posts

214 months

Saturday 16th April 2016
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My 981 C is 3 years old and covered 60,000 miles plus.....Here are my bolts! I've had the car from brand new and never let anybody else clean it....


Frrair

1,373 posts

135 months

Saturday 16th April 2016
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Oh my, I can't believe this thread about rusty bolts is still £^€king going.

Can we please focus on driving these machines........ that is what they are for, not foresinically studying.


sunil4

197 posts

125 months

Saturday 16th April 2016
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FrankCayman said:
My 981 C is 3 years old and covered 60,000 miles plus.....Here are my bolts! I've had the car from brand new and never let anybody else clean it....

Yes but your wheels are stone chipped :-p

FrankCayman

2,121 posts

214 months

Saturday 16th April 2016
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sunil4 said:
Yes but your wheels are stone chipped :-p
Don't worry....it's covered by the Porsche warranty...christ...only 60,000 and the thing has got stone chips!! biggrin

FrankCayman

2,121 posts

214 months

Saturday 16th April 2016
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I bet what happened to the OP's bolts was that in the early days a technician from Porsche tried to remove the bolts not realising they are not the same as the 987 calipers.


mollytherocker

14,366 posts

210 months

Saturday 16th April 2016
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I think we should all chip in 7p each to get this guy some new bolts.

Maybe then we can all move on with our sad empty lives.....