new Cayman - 981 or 718?
Discussion
n4aat said:
PSE on and off is like night and day for me. And no droning. Off sounds really quite dull. Great for motorway driving and around town. It's like going from 3/10ths to 9/10ths when you turn it on..
Same here for test drives of caymans S and Boxster S. Wouldn't have a car without PSE as give you the best of both worlds .....quiet for cruising and then loud for hooning 
DaveGB said:
Same here for test drives of caymans S and Boxster S. Wouldn't have a car without PSE as give you the best of both worlds .....quiet for cruising and then loud for hooning
I have to disagree about cruising on A roads or motorways. After just one day I was fed up to the back teeth of the constant drone.Try PSE in all road conditions if you're considering it. Not just a "quick spin."
I've got a GT4 which is probably a little louder than the pse on a cooking model and there's no drone. Perhaps some people have more sensitive hearing? It's a sports car at the end of the day and Porsche have invested millions developing it, I wouldn't worry.
If I was you and I would be considering residual because if you buy a 6 month old Cayman 981 S or 2.7 you'll lose a load of money over say 3 years, same with a 718 especially if taking finance and the interest you'll pay. I think I once calculated that a new Cayman S over 3 years was 30k taking into account depreciation and interest A lot!
I would buy a 981 GTS. It's the sensible choice and comes as standard with pse. The residuals I would think will be a lot better. Alternatively, you can get a gt4 for 92k with buckets. That could be free motoring.
If I was you and I would be considering residual because if you buy a 6 month old Cayman 981 S or 2.7 you'll lose a load of money over say 3 years, same with a 718 especially if taking finance and the interest you'll pay. I think I once calculated that a new Cayman S over 3 years was 30k taking into account depreciation and interest A lot!
I would buy a 981 GTS. It's the sensible choice and comes as standard with pse. The residuals I would think will be a lot better. Alternatively, you can get a gt4 for 92k with buckets. That could be free motoring.
DJMC said:
DaveGB said:
Same here for test drives of caymans S and Boxster S. Wouldn't have a car without PSE as give you the best of both worlds .....quiet for cruising and then loud for hooning
I have to disagree about cruising on A roads or motorways. After just one day I was fed up to the back teeth of the constant drone.Try PSE in all road conditions if you're considering it. Not just a "quick spin."
DaveGB said:
DJMC said:
DaveGB said:
Same here for test drives of caymans S and Boxster S. Wouldn't have a car without PSE as give you the best of both worlds .....quiet for cruising and then loud for hooning
I have to disagree about cruising on A roads or motorways. After just one day I was fed up to the back teeth of the constant drone.Try PSE in all road conditions if you're considering it. Not just a "quick spin."
I had a PDK GTS with PSE and I didn't notice any drone. I test drove a manual GTS and noticed a lot of drone at motorway speeds, as its only 6 gears. I put the difference down to the transmission (and revs) - but I may have just had a quieter PDK version. I would always look for PSE second hand so I think will be better for residuals - at least it gives people choice.
Kazandy37 said:
I had a PDK GTS with PSE and I didn't notice any drone. I test drove a manual GTS and noticed a lot of drone at motorway speeds, as its only 6 gears. I put the difference down to the transmission (and revs) - but I may have just had a quieter PDK version. I would always look for PSE second hand so I think will be better for residuals - at least it gives people choice.
Pdk certainly is likely to make a difference. 7th is higher (33mph/1000rpm) than 6th in the manual car (28mph/1000) and on my (non-PSE) PDK car if I cruise in 6th (25mph/1000) the exhaust is certainly audible, and more intrusive than I would like. DaveGB said:
Did you switch PSE off on the motorway ? In my example I switched PSE "off" for cruising then back "on" for hoonng.
I was interested in the PSE as so many people rate it, so on the motorway at a steady speed in "normal" mode, not sport or sport plus, I pressed the PSE button on then off then on etc and there was absolutely no change in drone. This was about 2000 RPM, but I noticed it too at lower speeds (1600 RPM) and at higher speeds in a lower gear (3000 RPM). Boxster 2.7 PDK 2016 with Sport Chrono too.Compared to my 2.7 Cayman 981 (no PSE) it was a constant hum (hood up) which I guess you'd not notice if you'd always driven a PSE equipped car, and just assume it's part of the overall package of sounds. That's probably why I found it intrusive, same as I would if my car started to rattle or squeak. Actually, there was an annoying rattle coming from the passenger seat in the Boxster, so it could well be my over-sensitivity to unusual noises?
FrankCayman said:
Bang on
+1 I think you will find that the only thing which has universal agreement is, surprising, the smoker package - which replaces a useless tray with something useful (for non-smokers) and it's FREE! That said on things where there is the most disagreement - PDK, PSE, big wheels, X73, PASM (and whether the 718 is a load or rubbish or the future!) the only thing to do is to see if you can try them yourself and make your own mind up.bcr5784 said:
FrankCayman said:
Bang on
+1 I think you will find that the only thing which has universal agreement is, surprising, the smoker package - which replaces a useless tray with something useful (for non-smokers) and it's FREE! That said on things where there is the most disagreement - PDK, PSE, big wheels, X73, PASM (and whether the 718 is a load or rubbish or the future!) the only thing to do is to see if you can try them yourself and make your own mind up.FrankCayman said:
bcr5784 said:
FrankCayman said:
Bang on
+1 I think you will find that the only thing which has universal agreement is, surprising, the smoker package - which replaces a useless tray with something useful (for non-smokers) and it's FREE! That said on things where there is the most disagreement - PDK, PSE, big wheels, X73, PASM (and whether the 718 is a load or rubbish or the future!) the only thing to do is to see if you can try them yourself and make your own mind up.DJMC said:
bcr5784 said:
Certainly the Road and Track and Car and Driver cars had PSE as you can see from the photos. That said turbos always tend to muffle exhaust noise, and to get round it in "Sport" on lift off the wastegate is opened to get pops and crackles (though that detracts from performance - the turbo slows down - so in Sport + the wastegate is left closed). So perhaps "Sport" should be christened "un-Sport" or fahrt (in German of course)
Personally found PSE ON on the 991.2 made little difference, but I only tried it briefly.
PSE in the 981 Boxster last week made no difference whether on or off when cruising. It droned between 1600 - 3000 RPM at a steady speed. Away from the lights with PSE on and foot down it sounded raucous and fun (if you're feeling like a kid) but that's maybe 1% of driving time whereas, for me, the droning would be for 70-80% of my driving time. Intrusive.Personally found PSE ON on the 991.2 made little difference, but I only tried it briefly.
Short video of the PSE accelerating and backing off (on purpose to create the example video).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpAa9fu3HqI
Prestonese said:
FrankCayman said:
bcr5784 said:
FrankCayman said:
Bang on
+1 I think you will find that the only thing which has universal agreement is, surprising, the smoker package - which replaces a useless tray with something useful (for non-smokers) and it's FREE! That said on things where there is the most disagreement - PDK, PSE, big wheels, X73, PASM (and whether the 718 is a load or rubbish or the future!) the only thing to do is to see if you can try them yourself and make your own mind up.bcr5784 said:
+1 I think you will find that the only thing which has universal agreement is, surprising, the smoker package - which replaces a useless tray with something useful (for non-smokers) and it's FREE! That said on things where there is the most disagreement - PDK, PSE, big wheels, X73, PASM (and whether the 718 is a load or rubbish or the future!) the only thing to do is to see if you can try them yourself and make your own mind up.
Hmm being a non-smoker I've always just skimmed straight past the Smoker Package - what replaces the tray?wellzee said:
Hmm being a non-smoker I've always just skimmed straight past the Smoker Package - what replaces the tray?
You get a small lidded box with a cigette lighter/power socket inside. As a non-smoker myself I would have been a bit wary of buying a second hand car with an optional smoker package - but in this case it's worth investigating further. Unfortunately Porsche have cottoned on and now charge £36 in the 718 and new 911s, so it's no longer so attractive.bcr5784 said:
You get a small lidded box with a cigette lighter/power socket inside. As a non-smoker myself I would have been a bit wary of buying a second hand car with an optional smoker package - but in this case it's worth investigating further. Unfortunately Porsche have cottoned on and now charge £36 in the 718 and new 911s, so it's no longer so attractive.
36 quid is the same as free when you're spending £thousands on a new Porsche. Just east at sainsurys for the week instead of M&S ! Fokker said:
36 quid is the same as free when you're spending £thousands on a new Porsche. Just east at sainsurys for the week instead of M&S !
You're right - it's still probably the best value assessory on offer. But for those of us who already eat at Aldi it is a financial consideration.For me it has got to be the 981.
I bought a gen 2 987 in January, and the engine is the best part of it IMO, the howl it produces above 5000 rpm, combined with the lovely free spinning nature of an n/a engine is just delightful.
I have seen a video of the 718 engine sound from outside, and it doesn't sound too bad, then I heard it from inside, and it sounds like any other turbo charged 4 cylinder, forgettable. I think the sound inside is more important than the sound outside, because it's the one I hear.
I bought a gen 2 987 in January, and the engine is the best part of it IMO, the howl it produces above 5000 rpm, combined with the lovely free spinning nature of an n/a engine is just delightful.
I have seen a video of the 718 engine sound from outside, and it doesn't sound too bad, then I heard it from inside, and it sounds like any other turbo charged 4 cylinder, forgettable. I think the sound inside is more important than the sound outside, because it's the one I hear.
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