new Cayman - 981 or 718?
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replying to the OP's initial dilemma, I think you are in a very good position at the moment. To get any 981 now, you will basically have to buy used, so waiting a few weeks/months won't affect a 981 purchase. So if I were in your shoes, I would wait a little longer to test drive a 718 boxster back to back with a 981 cayman. At that stage you can make a proper informed decision about which you would prefer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOJbgw29Y20
This review along with the other really doesn't do it any favours! It does have a rather shocking statement at the end.
This review along with the other really doesn't do it any favours! It does have a rather shocking statement at the end.
You think the Boxster has problems...?
Look at this "thing"!:
https://youtu.be/vSgfP-kwcYQ
What's the point!?
Look at this "thing"!:
https://youtu.be/vSgfP-kwcYQ
What's the point!?
DJMC said:
You think the Boxster has problems...?
Look at this "thing"!:
https://youtu.be/vSgfP-kwcYQ
What's the point!?
It does not matter whats the point - they will still sell shed loads, and make loads of money. Good business!Look at this "thing"!:
https://youtu.be/vSgfP-kwcYQ
What's the point!?
AndyCGTS said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOJbgw29Y20
This review along with the other really doesn't do it any favours! It does have a rather shocking statement at the end.
That's only the second test of the base car I've seen - and both have very negative. It's starting to look like the S is a better car.This review along with the other really doesn't do it any favours! It does have a rather shocking statement at the end.
bcr5784 said:
AndyCGTS said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOJbgw29Y20
This review along with the other really doesn't do it any favours! It does have a rather shocking statement at the end.
That's only the second test of the base car I've seen - and both have very negative. It's starting to look like the S is a better car.This review along with the other really doesn't do it any favours! It does have a rather shocking statement at the end.
Dr S said:
Did not hear much that was really specific to the base car. The main message was "Porsche ruined the Boxster/Cayman" by going turbo charging".
Yes but there are lots of other tests of the S where the end message is much more mixed - while only one I've found was actually happy with the sound, a couple I've read have overall felt the car was a genuine step forward. Given that testers were given the opportunity to drive both cars, and, for the most part have omitted to comment on the standard car I'm beginning to have the suspicion that they are mostly taking the view "if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all".DJMC said:
Having owned a 981 Cayman for 5 months, the best thing about it for me IS the noise when I get the opportunity to open it up.
But... from a daily driver perspective (mine is a DD) it's the lack of a turbo which makes it a pleasure to drive compared to my 2012 TTS (straight 4 turbo).
The 718 may be better in this regard, the S perhaps more so with variable vane tech, but for now I'm glad I have a NA 6 cylinder car with the iconic engine layout.
By the way... PSE in the courtesy 2016 981 2.7 Boxster I had last week was a droning pain in the ass at constant speed (hood up). The Cayman's interior has more engine noise (allegedly) so if you like the ability to cruise without an intrusive drone, don't get PSE.
My 2.7 is loud enough when it gets going for me to be perfectly happy with it. But try both and see which you prefer.
This is the very jump I'm in the process of right now. TTS to 981 Cayman S.But... from a daily driver perspective (mine is a DD) it's the lack of a turbo which makes it a pleasure to drive compared to my 2012 TTS (straight 4 turbo).
The 718 may be better in this regard, the S perhaps more so with variable vane tech, but for now I'm glad I have a NA 6 cylinder car with the iconic engine layout.
By the way... PSE in the courtesy 2016 981 2.7 Boxster I had last week was a droning pain in the ass at constant speed (hood up). The Cayman's interior has more engine noise (allegedly) so if you like the ability to cruise without an intrusive drone, don't get PSE.
My 2.7 is loud enough when it gets going for me to be perfectly happy with it. But try both and see which you prefer.
The TTS is a decent enough car, it always got compliments from strangers at petrol stations etc. but... We all know their shortcomings and it's a car I have never loved. I set my heart on a Cayman S and found one at a Porsche specialist near Bath. Holding deposit down I got to check it out a few days ago.
They'd just finish prepping the car when I arrived. Now I've never driven a Porsche before but from just firing up the engine... I was sold. Real drama right there, before I'd even sat in it. It is literally fully loaded... Sport, Sport Plus, PASM, PSE, 20" wheels plus many bells and whistles.
The PSE was a must have for me and on the test drive which was on country roads it sounded fantastic. With PSE off noise levels were more than acceptable to me. Yes there was noise. Proper mechanical induction noise. It was there in the back ground but no droning... Conversation could be had without raised voices.
The Cayman S was everything I thought it would be, the decision was made within 200 yards. There was more drama in that test drive than the 5yrs I'd had the TTS. Flat 6 for me ALL DAY LONG. Picking it up at the end of the month.
HighwayStar said:
This is the very jump I'm in the process of right now. TTS to 981 Cayman S.
The TTS is a decent enough car, it always got compliments from strangers at petrol stations etc. but... We all know their shortcomings and it's a car I have never loved. I set my heart on a Cayman S and found one at a Porsche specialist near Bath. Holding deposit down I got to check it out a few days ago.
They'd just finish prepping the car when I arrived. Now I've never driven a Porsche before but from just firing up the engine... I was sold. Real drama right there, before I'd even sat in it. It is literally fully loaded... Sport, Sport Plus, PASM, PSE, 20" wheels plus many bells and whistles.
The PSE was a must have for me and on the test drive which was on country roads it sounded fantastic. With PSE off noise levels were more than acceptable to me. Yes there was noise. Proper mechanical induction noise. It was there in the back ground but no droning... Conversation could be had without raised voices.
The Cayman S was everything I thought it would be, the decision was made within 200 yards. There was more drama in that test drive than the 5yrs I'd had the TTS. Flat 6 for me ALL DAY LONG. Picking it up at the end of the month.
Out of interest, did you try the 981 2.7 too? I tried the S but found the base engine more "revvy", in other words I could get the engine up to higher speeds without losing my license. TTS and 2.7 have about the same acceleration (apart from the fact the TTS is left at the lights while the turbo wakes up - a fraction of a second only, but by then that Kia Ceed is away in front...).The TTS is a decent enough car, it always got compliments from strangers at petrol stations etc. but... We all know their shortcomings and it's a car I have never loved. I set my heart on a Cayman S and found one at a Porsche specialist near Bath. Holding deposit down I got to check it out a few days ago.
They'd just finish prepping the car when I arrived. Now I've never driven a Porsche before but from just firing up the engine... I was sold. Real drama right there, before I'd even sat in it. It is literally fully loaded... Sport, Sport Plus, PASM, PSE, 20" wheels plus many bells and whistles.
The PSE was a must have for me and on the test drive which was on country roads it sounded fantastic. With PSE off noise levels were more than acceptable to me. Yes there was noise. Proper mechanical induction noise. It was there in the back ground but no droning... Conversation could be had without raised voices.
The Cayman S was everything I thought it would be, the decision was made within 200 yards. There was more drama in that test drive than the 5yrs I'd had the TTS. Flat 6 for me ALL DAY LONG. Picking it up at the end of the month.
Perhaps you wanted an increase in acceleration, in other words an "upgrade" from the TTS' 5.5 to 62, which is understandable, whereas it's more about the power delivery, cornering, and noise for me.
DJMC said:
HighwayStar said:
This is the very jump I'm in the process of right now. TTS to 981 Cayman S.
The TTS is a decent enough car, it always got compliments from strangers at petrol stations etc. but... We all know their shortcomings and it's a car I have never loved. I set my heart on a Cayman S and found one at a Porsche specialist near Bath. Holding deposit down I got to check it out a few days ago.
They'd just finish prepping the car when I arrived. Now I've never driven a Porsche before but from just firing up the engine... I was sold. Real drama right there, before I'd even sat in it. It is literally fully loaded... Sport, Sport Plus, PASM, PSE, 20" wheels plus many bells and whistles.
The PSE was a must have for me and on the test drive which was on country roads it sounded fantastic. With PSE off noise levels were more than acceptable to me. Yes there was noise. Proper mechanical induction noise. It was there in the back ground but no droning... Conversation could be had without raised voices.
The Cayman S was everything I thought it would be, the decision was made within 200 yards. There was more drama in that test drive than the 5yrs I'd had the TTS. Flat 6 for me ALL DAY LONG. Picking it up at the end of the month.
Out of interest, did you try the 981 2.7 too? I tried the S but found the base engine more "revvy", in other words I could get the engine up to higher speeds without losing my license. TTS and 2.7 have about the same acceleration (apart from the fact the TTS is left at the lights while the turbo wakes up - a fraction of a second only, but by then that Kia Ceed is away in front...).The TTS is a decent enough car, it always got compliments from strangers at petrol stations etc. but... We all know their shortcomings and it's a car I have never loved. I set my heart on a Cayman S and found one at a Porsche specialist near Bath. Holding deposit down I got to check it out a few days ago.
They'd just finish prepping the car when I arrived. Now I've never driven a Porsche before but from just firing up the engine... I was sold. Real drama right there, before I'd even sat in it. It is literally fully loaded... Sport, Sport Plus, PASM, PSE, 20" wheels plus many bells and whistles.
The PSE was a must have for me and on the test drive which was on country roads it sounded fantastic. With PSE off noise levels were more than acceptable to me. Yes there was noise. Proper mechanical induction noise. It was there in the back ground but no droning... Conversation could be had without raised voices.
The Cayman S was everything I thought it would be, the decision was made within 200 yards. There was more drama in that test drive than the 5yrs I'd had the TTS. Flat 6 for me ALL DAY LONG. Picking it up at the end of the month.
Perhaps you wanted an increase in acceleration, in other words an "upgrade" from the TTS' 5.5 to 62, which is understandable, whereas it's more about the power delivery, cornering, and noise for me.
The Cayman S being quicker than the TTS was never part of my reason for changing. For me it was more about getting hold of a more analogue car with soul.
In buying this particular Cayman I've actually broken 2 of my rules. I've gone for a black car with PDK. I was strictly manual but I couldn't find a manual with all the options I wanted. Speaking to a few specialist they advised that the Cayman was built around the PDK... Manuals are rare and seem to be nearer base spec. The few good ones I've seen have been OPC cars for more than my budget. Anyway having tried it I'm happy with my decision.
I've no problem with washing and waxing cars but I'm hoping Basalt Black isn't going to be the PITA as I'm imagining to keep clean.
Your point re acceleration TTS v S... I'd say the TTS felt faster because of the easily accessible low down torque you get with turbos but I can't really comment as not being familiar with the Cayman or PDK I didn't push hard on the test drive. I'm sure once I've familiarised myself with it and readjusted to an NA engine it will feel faster. Saying that, just faster was never the point of the exercise otherwise I'd have bought a TT RS... I just wanted something that was a proper purpose built sports car, mid engined and alive with drama... The Cayman is the only car that fits the bill for my pocket and it's the right size.
HighwayStar said:
I know exactly what you mean... I read a review saying the 2.7 was plenty fast enough and could be revved out for longer. The 3.4, you'd likely run out of road before revving it out. Basically I just wanted everything plus the 3.4.
The Cayman S being quicker than the TTS was never part of my reason for changing. For me it was more about getting hold of a more analogue car with soul.
In buying this particular Cayman I've actually broken 2 of my rules. I've gone for a black car with PDK. I was strictly manual but I couldn't find a manual with all the options I wanted. Speaking to a few specialist they advised that the Cayman was built around the PDK... Manuals are rare and seem to be nearer base spec. The few good ones I've seen have been OPC cars for more than my budget. Anyway having tried it I'm happy with my decision.
I've no problem with washing and waxing cars but I'm hoping Basalt Black isn't going to be the PITA as I'm imagining to keep clean.
Your point re acceleration TTS v S... I'd say the TTS felt faster because of the easily accessible low down torque you get with turbos but I can't really comment as not being familiar with the Cayman or PDK I didn't push hard on the test drive. I'm sure once I've familiarised myself with it and readjusted to an NA engine it will feel faster. Saying that, just faster was never the point of the exercise otherwise I'd have bought a TT RS... I just wanted something that was a proper purpose built sports car, mid engined and alive with drama... The Cayman is the only car that fits the bill for my pocket and it's the right size.
Don't kid yourself about Basalt Black. That was the only bit of the spec of my car I didn't want too - I'm afraid it's dire.The Cayman S being quicker than the TTS was never part of my reason for changing. For me it was more about getting hold of a more analogue car with soul.
In buying this particular Cayman I've actually broken 2 of my rules. I've gone for a black car with PDK. I was strictly manual but I couldn't find a manual with all the options I wanted. Speaking to a few specialist they advised that the Cayman was built around the PDK... Manuals are rare and seem to be nearer base spec. The few good ones I've seen have been OPC cars for more than my budget. Anyway having tried it I'm happy with my decision.
I've no problem with washing and waxing cars but I'm hoping Basalt Black isn't going to be the PITA as I'm imagining to keep clean.
Your point re acceleration TTS v S... I'd say the TTS felt faster because of the easily accessible low down torque you get with turbos but I can't really comment as not being familiar with the Cayman or PDK I didn't push hard on the test drive. I'm sure once I've familiarised myself with it and readjusted to an NA engine it will feel faster. Saying that, just faster was never the point of the exercise otherwise I'd have bought a TT RS... I just wanted something that was a proper purpose built sports car, mid engined and alive with drama... The Cayman is the only car that fits the bill for my pocket and it's the right size.
Having had four previous silver cars before, I thought I'd have a change with Panther Black for the TTS...
Lovely when clean, but soon dirty and a real PITA. Black was off my list for the 981 for sure. Didn't want silver either, so originally found an Aqua Blue one...
...but that was rear-ended when the seller was on his way to the 111 point check!
So... ended up with silver again. Great colour, with Platinum wheels, for hiding the dirt...
Untitled by David Chapman, on Flickr
Lovely when clean, but soon dirty and a real PITA. Black was off my list for the 981 for sure. Didn't want silver either, so originally found an Aqua Blue one...
...but that was rear-ended when the seller was on his way to the 111 point check!
So... ended up with silver again. Great colour, with Platinum wheels, for hiding the dirt...
Untitled by David Chapman, on Flickrbcr5784 said:
HighwayStar said:
I know exactly what you mean... I read a review saying the 2.7 was plenty fast enough and could be revved out for longer. The 3.4, you'd likely run out of road before revving it out. Basically I just wanted everything plus the 3.4.
The Cayman S being quicker than the TTS was never part of my reason for changing. For me it was more about getting hold of a more analogue car with soul.
In buying this particular Cayman I've actually broken 2 of my rules. I've gone for a black car with PDK. I was strictly manual but I couldn't find a manual with all the options I wanted. Speaking to a few specialist they advised that the Cayman was built around the PDK... Manuals are rare and seem to be nearer base spec. The few good ones I've seen have been OPC cars for more than my budget. Anyway having tried it I'm happy with my decision.
I've no problem with washing and waxing cars but I'm hoping Basalt Black isn't going to be the PITA as I'm imagining to keep clean.
Your point re acceleration TTS v S... I'd say the TTS felt faster because of the easily accessible low down torque you get with turbos but I can't really comment as not being familiar with the Cayman or PDK I didn't push hard on the test drive. I'm sure once I've familiarised myself with it and readjusted to an NA engine it will feel faster. Saying that, just faster was never the point of the exercise otherwise I'd have bought a TT RS... I just wanted something that was a proper purpose built sports car, mid engined and alive with drama... The Cayman is the only car that fits the bill for my pocket and it's the right size.
Don't kid yourself about Basalt Black. That was the only bit of the spec of my car I didn't want too - I'm afraid it's dire.The Cayman S being quicker than the TTS was never part of my reason for changing. For me it was more about getting hold of a more analogue car with soul.
In buying this particular Cayman I've actually broken 2 of my rules. I've gone for a black car with PDK. I was strictly manual but I couldn't find a manual with all the options I wanted. Speaking to a few specialist they advised that the Cayman was built around the PDK... Manuals are rare and seem to be nearer base spec. The few good ones I've seen have been OPC cars for more than my budget. Anyway having tried it I'm happy with my decision.
I've no problem with washing and waxing cars but I'm hoping Basalt Black isn't going to be the PITA as I'm imagining to keep clean.
Your point re acceleration TTS v S... I'd say the TTS felt faster because of the easily accessible low down torque you get with turbos but I can't really comment as not being familiar with the Cayman or PDK I didn't push hard on the test drive. I'm sure once I've familiarised myself with it and readjusted to an NA engine it will feel faster. Saying that, just faster was never the point of the exercise otherwise I'd have bought a TT RS... I just wanted something that was a proper purpose built sports car, mid engined and alive with drama... The Cayman is the only car that fits the bill for my pocket and it's the right size.
I'm more than happy to wash my car myself, the TTS never went to our former Eastern Block hand was enterprisers in 5yrs. I'm one of those guys who's happy to spend 3-4hrs 3 times a year on the wash and wax thing. The rest of the time just washes which could be many weeks apart... on an orange car. it hid the dirt well. I can you already guess your reply lol
HighwayStar said:
So did you end up with Basalt Black hence saying it's dire from personal experience?
I'm more than happy to wash my car myself, the TTS never went to our former Eastern Block hand was enterprisers in 5yrs. I'm one of those guys who's happy to spend 3-4hrs 3 times a year on the wash and wax thing. The rest of the time just washes which could be many weeks apart... on an orange car. it hid the dirt well. I can you already guess your reply lol
Yes, afraid so. If you want to keep it looking good you'll be washing every week at least. And I'm really not one for having an immaculate car - my wife thinks I've had a personality transplant. I'm more than happy to wash my car myself, the TTS never went to our former Eastern Block hand was enterprisers in 5yrs. I'm one of those guys who's happy to spend 3-4hrs 3 times a year on the wash and wax thing. The rest of the time just washes which could be many weeks apart... on an orange car. it hid the dirt well. I can you already guess your reply lol
bcr5784 said:
Yes, afraid so. If you want to keep it looking good you'll be washing every week at least. And I'm really not one for having an immaculate car - my wife thinks I've had a personality transplant.
I'm not too bothered about the car not looking immaculate in the winter because, well it's the winter. The rest of the time I like it to look pretty decent but as long as the dirt is sitting on top of a good layer of wax I don't fret about it.My other issue with black cars is they tend to have a black interior... I know a lot of people think that's cool but it's too much for my tastes. My incoming Cayman has a Porsche Individual interior, Amber leather. Dash and door tops are black. Not what I thought I'd go for at all but looks lovely to these eyes.
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