718 Cayman

[Twinfan]

anonymous said:

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So I imagine they've committed to the 4-pot early then, given the name change. There must be a reason why they introduced it now and not wait for the next platform refresh - not sure what that is though!

[Savier1]

av185 said:

Good luck with that.....is there a plan B?

Yes, just keep it. But I like new cars. Its a disease.

[Mario149]

anonymous said:

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Sorry, I only just got around to reading this! I haven't seen any evidence that doing (1) above would decrease their market share - at least not at the moment. Admittedly I don't swot up on Porsche literature and press releases, but I've not heard anything from those sources. I had a 20 min chat with the quintessential 911 owner on eurotunnel the other day. He had a 991 GTS, appeared minted, late middle age, liked 911s because they were Porsches, liked going "fast" in a straight line, never been on track that I could tell, wasn't an "enthusiast" like on here, and had zero knowledge (and appeared to care not a jot) about emissions/taxes. When I told him about the new turbo engines and how much faster they were but sounded a bit ste compared to his current car, his answer was "why would you want that?".

Now, that's clearly a small sample size(!), but Porsche appear to be solving a problem that doesn't exist for them from where I'm standing. They clearly think they have to, but I have real trouble accepting that they had some sort of focus/marketing group who's conclusion was that if 911/Cayster emissions don't fall by X to save 500£ on road tax they're going to lose sales. There's got to be a more direct tax/penalty at corporate level that is driving this somehow surely.

[paralla]

Twinfan said:

Agreed too

I would only look to replace my CGTS with a 911 when the time comes, but I'd be going to an older car unless I want a turbo (which I don't). So I'll probably keep the CGTS indefinitely.

I really hope Porsche put an NA motor in a non-limited car in the future but I seriously doubt that'll happen. I think GT cars will always be out of my reach because I don't have the spending power to get that 'special' relationship with an OPC. It's a game I can't join!

Don't lose hope of a GT. If you bought a new CGTS you have more chance of getting a GT4 than me. Before I got my GT4 I had only ever bought a new Cayman S. Otherwise I'm a nobody.

[bcr5784]

There is an assumption that pH subscribers are enthusiasts and atypical. Not so sure. Compare the lengths of threads here about the look of the car with threads about dynamics and you will be left in Little doubt about people's focus of interest.

[Ozzie Osmond]

Last weekend the most common sportscar in the car park at Goodwood was Porsche.

Obviously not the right sort of car for enthusiasts.

[Mario149]

anonymous said:

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I think we're essentially coming at this from opposite starting points and it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation with the root cause for both being emissions legislation. Does the customer choose the turbo over NA option due to emissions legislation costs thus driving the engines Porsche make? Or does Porsche, as a result of emissions legislation costs, estimate that customers will want turbo over NA and so make the choice for them? Maybe they're one and the same, I'm not entirely sure myself!

But in the semantics of it, the issue I see with your premise (that customers are directly making the choice and driving Porsche's decision) is that Porsche has no track record of offering turbo/NA engines side by side in their regular sportscar models (Carrera/Cayster), therefore there can be no side by side comparison of demand. If it was like the PDK/manual debate Porsche would be able to see more and more people favouring turbo engines, as they have seen with them favouring PDK, and hence make an evidence-based decision to drop NA. Or vice versa and see people are willing to pay more to retain NA. But they don't have that data for NA/turbo comparison. Or maybe they have it modeled based on sales of other vehicles but that's not the same thing. I think customers have driven Porsche's decision in the sense that Porsche have had to second guess what they will be able to sell the customer, but they haven't driven Porsche decision with their wallets directly and buying habits directly.


Edit: slight tweak to wording

Edited by Mario149 on Thursday 5th May 12:15

[bcr5784]

If the 911.2 is anything to go by, going turbo isn't a big deal - even for the motoring press. 4 cylinders and the sound that goes with it, is more contentious.

To some extent I find that a bit odd - the 911.2 I tried recently made very generic exhaust noises which I just found too loud, and I doubt na enthusiasts would like.

[Twinfan]

A mate of mine has a 991.1 and recently had a 991.2 as a loan car while some work was done on his.

He's told me that while the 991.2 is silly quick it's lost the character and personality of an NA 911. He wouldn't swap his.