718 review - test drove today
Discussion
fridaypassion said:
Carl_Manchester said:
I agree but this really is not a good barometer for the future of porsche sports cars.
As a londoner, I know you could stick a Porsche badge onto a pile of horse droppings and sell it in central london. They will literally buy anything.
Porsche will get it right eventually with the 781.
When have they ever put a foot wrong recently though? Maybe its "us" that are wrong? They have just made a PDK GT3 thats trading ridiculously over list when apparently everyone only wants manuals. Only people that post on pistonheads want a manual. And speculators. The rest of us have a PDK As a londoner, I know you could stick a Porsche badge onto a pile of horse droppings and sell it in central london. They will literally buy anything.
Porsche will get it right eventually with the 781.
and shame on some of you for laying into moose, what he said was right. pulling out ridiculous edge cases does not make him wrong. granting someone a £1m house is not the same as earning it yourself. have a word.
FrankCayman said:
I hope you're not directing that comment at me. I like Cmoose and would hate to think I was 'laying in' to anybody!
Same for me, I was definitely not trying to 'lay in' to anyone either, and apologise if that is how it came across. I just wanted to point out that not everything is black and white with this type of thing.Two things:
Where did the suggestion the 981 looks Japanese come from? I can't see it myself but maybe I've missed something.
I lost track of the debate about rising house prices, average wages and being able to afford a Porsche. It seemed like it was more a debate on semantics to me.
It certainly is possible for someone on average wages to buy one by "unlocking" value in their house. It probably isn't common but definitely not impossible. Probably not sensible though.
Anyway, I've been trying to figure out if I liked the 718. I enjoyed having a Boxster 2.7 recently. It was so usable and I can see the attraction. The 718 will have that appeal to many for similar reasons and people will find reason to justify it. On balance though I don't think it's for me. For the price with options ticked I guess people would look for more drama or more comfort - this seems to sit somewhere in between. I guess ultimately to satisfy a bigger audience.
Hmm...that's progress for you...
Where did the suggestion the 981 looks Japanese come from? I can't see it myself but maybe I've missed something.
I lost track of the debate about rising house prices, average wages and being able to afford a Porsche. It seemed like it was more a debate on semantics to me.
It certainly is possible for someone on average wages to buy one by "unlocking" value in their house. It probably isn't common but definitely not impossible. Probably not sensible though.
Anyway, I've been trying to figure out if I liked the 718. I enjoyed having a Boxster 2.7 recently. It was so usable and I can see the attraction. The 718 will have that appeal to many for similar reasons and people will find reason to justify it. On balance though I don't think it's for me. For the price with options ticked I guess people would look for more drama or more comfort - this seems to sit somewhere in between. I guess ultimately to satisfy a bigger audience.
Hmm...that's progress for you...
FrankCayman said:
To be honest, I tend to lose the plot with alot of these Porsche threads!! (some bloke test drives a 718...and were picking the bones out of house price increases 
).
All I will say is, once you've paid your mortgage off (as I did some years ago), you would be amazed how little money you need to earn to have flexability with investments and turning over houses/cars etc. to make real money....without other funding other than mortgages (which of course, most average wage earners have!).
Exactly this. One of my guys under me in our little company bought a new Gallardo 560-4 a few years back. Thing is I know him well and he wouldn't look twice at a 4 pot Cayster, I wouldn't either if like him I had two houses bought and paid for, one providing rental income + a decent salary on top. Its pretty obvious as well that the car market has been drifting into increasingly polarised products and price brackets over the years. There was a time when it was almost impossible to make and sell really expensive sports cars (XJ220 fiasco for example). Now though it seems that just like the Swiss watch industry the best route to success is to do like McLaren and start high up in the multiple £KKK then engineer from that basis down to your base model sat around £150k. Porsche unfortunately are largely in a middle ground between between the low end German dross and the real prestige stuff. This new car is a case in point, it would have been perfect for the company 20 to 30 years ago just as the 4 pot front engined cars were but it just seems like the wrong sort of product to me for the future on almost every level. ). All I will say is, once you've paid your mortgage off (as I did some years ago), you would be amazed how little money you need to earn to have flexability with investments and turning over houses/cars etc. to make real money....without other funding other than mortgages (which of course, most average wage earners have!).
As usual an unthinking diatribe. Porsche sells a lot of SUVs and makes a lot of money on 911s, not on Caymans. They also sold a lot more sports cars in the UK prior to the recent models. McLaren have built a car company from nothing. You know all this stuff but just can't help yourself but be a prick as usual again and again and again on practically every thread anyone starts on PH.
anonymous said:
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As a new member to these forums with no axe to grind, I can assure you cmoose that you are the one who appear as to have a 'nasty streak' you rarely have a good word to say to anyone, you are a know-it-all who thinks they are some kind of expert on everything Porsche. In short you are a ****.nsm3 said:
Have to say, the moose is coming out on top with this one?
Calm down ladies, this ain't real life you know!
Real life you say? This is an increasingly interesting subject to me.Calm down ladies, this ain't real life you know!
Some studies have shown that some sections of society are conversing with humans digitally more than face to face.
So whats real?
I watched Wall-E with my 3 year old daughter this morning. There is a fairly serious subject matter going on behind the cutesy robot thing.
Anyways, off at a tangent!
Popped in to local porsche
It's not as good looking
Lights front and back trying too hard
Interior v similar
Don't like the new sports steering v industrial
What's to like Vw ahem Porsche have dropped a clanger!.
VW killing the various brands
Bentley to use VW parts and pdk
Porsche use tourag parts and a5 parts
TT faster than new Cayman
Wtf!
Ahmen
The Germans at it again. You will drive a 'people's car' one car fits all!
It's not as good looking
Lights front and back trying too hard
Interior v similar
Don't like the new sports steering v industrial
What's to like Vw ahem Porsche have dropped a clanger!.
VW killing the various brands
Bentley to use VW parts and pdk
Porsche use tourag parts and a5 parts
TT faster than new Cayman
Wtf!
Ahmen
The Germans at it again. You will drive a 'people's car' one car fits all!
castroses said:
As a new member to these forums with no axe to grind, I can assure you cmoose that you are the one who appear as to have a 'nasty streak' you rarely have a good word to say to anyone, you are a know-it-all who thinks they are some kind of expert on everything Porsche. In short you are a ****.
Got to say when browsing PH that if Cmoose is contributing will see what he/she has to say since the views are usually entertaining if not informative and whereas I don't have the level of techie knowledge I usually learn something. So more power to your elbow!New poster can go back to being non-poster, as far as I'm concerned.
Cmoose has at least two things going for him: he knows what he is talking about, and he can write coherent and grammatically sound prose. Two rare things on here. I can forgive him his tendency to get into silly scraps with morons.
Back on the 718, I have never bothered to get my head around the CO2 legislation that affects the car industry, but I had always assumed that Porsche would be rolled up with VAG for those regulatory purposes.
Cmoose has at least two things going for him: he knows what he is talking about, and he can write coherent and grammatically sound prose. Two rare things on here. I can forgive him his tendency to get into silly scraps with morons.
Back on the 718, I have never bothered to get my head around the CO2 legislation that affects the car industry, but I had always assumed that Porsche would be rolled up with VAG for those regulatory purposes.
Calm down, Cmoose.
You have to learn to respond with silent contempt rather than annoyance. The wilfully ignorant are ignorant because they want to be (the clue is the word 'wilfully'). I've almost never seen someone of that kind talk sense or be reasonable just because you try to engage with them.
It's like trying to make sense of Twitter or Celebrity Jungle Fun - you'll lose your mind dealing with the stupidity.
You have to learn to respond with silent contempt rather than annoyance. The wilfully ignorant are ignorant because they want to be (the clue is the word 'wilfully'). I've almost never seen someone of that kind talk sense or be reasonable just because you try to engage with them.
It's like trying to make sense of Twitter or Celebrity Jungle Fun - you'll lose your mind dealing with the stupidity.
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