718 review - test drove today

718 review - test drove today

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CarreraLightweightRacing

2,011 posts

209 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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FrankCayman said:
woodysnr said:
Jesus...sometimes ignorance is bliss!!!

There looks like a hell of a lot to go t:ts up there......just as they've ironed out all the problems with the previous engines....
I don't quite see it the same way. A 2lt petrol turbo pushing 300BHP is not really highly stressed (15 year old Lancer EVO's pushing out a stock 400BHP also from 2lt). The issues I see with this engine, are thermal issues and potential future problems with the intercoolers cracking or boost related pipes blowing off, as 1.4BAR is a fair amount of boost for a stock car. The engine itself, being forced induction is running a lower compression ratio and will have knock sensors to retard ignition if things start to get out of shape.

FrankCayman

2,121 posts

213 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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CarreraLightweightRacing said:
FrankCayman said:
woodysnr said:
Jesus...sometimes ignorance is bliss!!!

There looks like a hell of a lot to go t:ts up there......just as they've ironed out all the problems with the previous engines....
I don't quite see it the same way. A 2lt petrol turbo pushing 300BHP is not really highly stressed (15 year old Lancer EVO's pushing out a stock 400BHP also from 2lt). The issues I see with this engine, are thermal issues and potential future problems with the intercoolers cracking or boost related pipes blowing off, as 1.4BAR is a fair amount of boost for a stock car. The engine itself, being forced induction is running a lower compression ratio and will have knock sensors to retard ignition if things start to get out of shape.
Mate, I class anything that makes the car move as part of the engine....'intercoolers cracking or boost related pipes blowing off' are not the sort of thing I need when zooming down the M11 on a dark wet Tuesday night!!!

CarreraLightweightRacing

2,011 posts

209 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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FrankCayman said:
CarreraLightweightRacing said:
FrankCayman said:
woodysnr said:
Jesus...sometimes ignorance is bliss!!!

There looks like a hell of a lot to go t:ts up there......just as they've ironed out all the problems with the previous engines....
I don't quite see it the same way. A 2lt petrol turbo pushing 300BHP is not really highly stressed (15 year old Lancer EVO's pushing out a stock 400BHP also from 2lt). The issues I see with this engine, are thermal issues and potential future problems with the intercoolers cracking or boost related pipes blowing off, as 1.4BAR is a fair amount of boost for a stock car. The engine itself, being forced induction is running a lower compression ratio and will have knock sensors to retard ignition if things start to get out of shape.
Mate, I class anything that makes the car move as part of the engine....'intercoolers cracking or boost related pipes blowing off' are not the sort of thing I need when zooming down the M11 on a dark wet Tuesday night!!!
Fair enough Frank wink My point was more a case regarding the repercussions of failure: With an M96 going t1t5 up you are looking at the thick end of £8-12K to fix, whereas the types of issues I foresee with the 718 will be more in the £100-£1500 to sort.

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

209 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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FrankCayman said:
woodysnr said:
Jesus...sometimes ignorance is bliss!!!

There looks like a hell of a lot to go t:ts up there......just as they've ironed out all the problems with the previous engines....
It doesnt look overly complex to me. You will see a similar complexity under any modernish Porsche. Obviously the turbo adds more systems and mechanicals to go wrong of course!

Mario149

7,750 posts

178 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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HighwayStar said:


And Mario, I wouldn't have thought you were having a pop.
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Mario149

7,750 posts

178 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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av185 said:
I would suggest the 991.1 Carreras morphed into more sports GT than sports car following the 997.2 Carreras replacement.
Funny how perceptions change - I remember when I first joined PH in 2009 or so and was berated for calling my 996 a sportscar because it was too GT-like compared to a Cayster....!


Edited by Mario149 on Sunday 29th May 10:34

Phooey

12,591 posts

169 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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Autocar: 718 Boxster S vs Elise Cup 250 for anyone that's interested - http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsche...

Mario149

7,750 posts

178 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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anonymous said:
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I'd second this. What I would say is that for proper enjoyment on the road you need to put a shorter final drive in it, swap for some softer shock/springs and make sure you don't have the Carrera GT buckets, regular sport buckets are fine. At that point, you'd probably have the ultimate incarnation of a modern road going 911, basically a 997R. You'd have to be dedicated though, as obviously there non-trivial extra cost involved. But if it was a keeper, it'd be worth it.

Mario149

7,750 posts

178 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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Ozzie Osmond said:
bcr5784 said:
Caterham is easily the most fun (roadable) car I've driven. (Radical is damn good but barely roadable). Both make my 981 feel like a Thames barge (and I'm a big fan of Caymans).
If you're happy going out on the road in a 60-year old car which can't be sold in most global markets because it's so outdated - that's absolutely fine by me.

The world moves on, and we have to enjoy our 981s as best we can! I just love mid-engined cars. driving
I'm with bcr on this one. Even a GT3 feels like a truck in comparison. In fact there is no comparison. You want the ultimate in feel (and speed should you wish) on the road, it's pretty much Caterham or bust.

Sparkyhd

1,792 posts

95 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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At a slight loss about what to do this extended weekend so happened to drive past (deliberately) the Porsche dealer at 3pm this afternoon. Asked on the off chance if I could take a Boxter 718 home for an extended drive and return it tomorrow. Pleasingly they said yes!

I know there have been mixed views on this thread but I love it. Performance is great, ride is comfortable and it's fun; even enjoyed the sound with the roof down which is a bit like a speedboat.

Obviously the performance is turbo assisted and I don't have to work so hard to keep moving but now I've become enlightened about how machines can perform work on one's behalf I've told the wife she can replace the mangle with a tumble dryer and I'm going to B & Q to buy a power tool.

Going to order one tomorrow.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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^^ Oooh matron, those are dangerously radical modern views.

Enjoy your purchase - I rather think you will!

Dyffed

114 posts

97 months

Sunday 29th May 2016
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Some of the negative views are from some people who have yet to see the cars yet drive them.

bcr5784

7,109 posts

145 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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There are increasing numbers of clearly deranged drivers on here, but I'm sure there are doctors around who will administer the necessary antipsychotic drugs to at least suppress their symptoms.laugh

Bennachie

1,090 posts

151 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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Next thing they will be saying New Top Gear with the screaming gerbil was 'good'....................

ORD

18,107 posts

127 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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'Cheap vodka gets me drunk faster than champagne. Anyone who likes champagne is an idiot.'

A fair summary of the snide little remarks from the easily-pleased contingent.

Sparkyhd

1,792 posts

95 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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ORD said:
'Cheap vodka gets me drunk faster than champagne. Anyone who likes champagne is an idiot.'

A fair summary of the snide little remarks from the easily-pleased contingent.
Not sure about the analogy of mixing vodka with champagne but I've seen blind tests where drinkers often prefer a cheaper champagne lookalike compared to the real thing. Sometimes we assume that higher price must be better than cheaper or more (6) must be better than less (4) but ultimately you've just got to buy what you like.

I feel I've gatecrashed a bit here. Let's be honest the 911 brigade think the whole cayster brigade are gatecrashers and now I'm doing the same by liking the 4 cylinder. I think the opposing views here are equally valid for those with alternate priorities. I've really appreciated these views and glad I've read them before purchasing rather than after.

Even though I've never cut hair if someone wants to open an alternative thread like "Boxter 718 for hairdressers" I'll move over there.

ORD

18,107 posts

127 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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Not at all, mate. It's a Cayster thread, and they are fantastic cars. They just now have much less inspiring engines than they did, which is sad for people who love the F6 cars.

Clevers

1,171 posts

201 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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I saw the 718 Boxster and Boxster S at Porsche Reading today.

Personally, I think this version of the car looks far better in the darker colours than the louder reds and yellows.

They have an agate grey car in the showroom window at Reading with a dark red interior and, I must say, jt did look the business.

However, the red car they are using for test drives didn't appeal to my eye. I heard the engine briefly but wasn't really able to draw a conclusion on the sound.

The dilemma I see with the updated Boxster / Cayman now is that for similar money you can buy a nearly new 911 - they had several parked outside at Reading between £58 and £65K, so if I was chopping in my 981 Cayman now, it would be for a 911 with the top chunk of depreciation paid, rather than the latest Boxster or Cayman.

Each to their own, i suppose.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

246 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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Clevers said:
The dilemma I see with the updated Boxster / Cayman now is that for similar money you can buy a nearly new 911
I guess it depends whether you want a rear-engined 4-seat coupe or a mid-engined sportscar. I have the good fortune of being able to choose either of them, and went for the sportscar.

It's always been possible to buy a depreciated used car instead of a new car, but if nobody could afford the new cars there wouldn't be any used cars! You see this effect on Lotus Evora where nobody wants to pay £60k-£80k for a new one but the used market is clamouring for them at £30k.

FourPotPorsche

350 posts

118 months

Monday 30th May 2016
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Clevers said:
I saw the 718 Boxster and Boxster S at Porsche Reading today.

However, the red car they are using for test drives didn't appeal to my eye.

Each to their own, i suppose.
I test drove that one. Think you will find it is Lava Orange...I am giving Guards some serious consideration before lockdown on my Cayman.