718 review - test drove today

718 review - test drove today

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stebbo

100 posts

98 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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GT4P said:
I consider myself an an average joe my gt4 is a second car and I would never have considered a 981 of any description until the gt4 came along!
Imo if I wanted a 's' I would buy the better 987. 2 cs over a 981cs
By no stretch of the imagination can you call yourself 'an average joe' when you have a GT4 as a 'play' car. I think you need to get a bit of perspective.

mdianuk

2,890 posts

170 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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We are all average, just some are more average than others biggrin

GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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Twinfan said:
The average Joe cannot afford a new £65k Porsche, especially without finance. However much you protest you're not an average guy off the street with a mortgage and a family to support...
No I have had the family and now have 2 small grand children still have a small mortgage although only at the rate which was secured many years ago of 0.29% base rate lifetime tracker to finance my love of pork but like I said you don't know me , and where I come from in the southeast I would would be regarded as an average joe and happen to have an average house in an average street with a more than average 2nd car in the garage although I am over 50 years young which is more than likely the average age for the UK now

Twinfan

10,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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Exactly!

kingston12

5,473 posts

156 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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Age has a big bearing though. You could have someone in their 50s/60s who spent their whole career on the average wage, but bought an average £20k house in the 1970s that is now worth a million.

Retire, downsize and that is a lot of money for toys, holidays etc.

Thanks to Cameron's economic miracle, there are a lot of the 50-70 age group in just that position.

I'd agree that anyone younger would definitely struggle.

GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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This is going way off topic again MrD says gt4 best value whereas Twinfan says an x73 981s but goes on to say a £65k car average joe cannot afford yet seems to infer that the cheaper circa £40k one he can and so on !

CMoose the UK average wage may be £26.5k but that does not stop "AN "average joe over many years working up the car or property ladder which the latter in the southeast is a lot harder now even with my average property increasing 40% in the last 4 years! Whereas where our son lives with 2 average incomes buys you a very nice better than average 3 bed detached house which has barely increased in value in the last 4 years but you would be lucky to buy a one bed flat where I live for the same money so average is relative to where you live also! Where I live which is yet again not the most affluent part of the country far from it but I see new luxury motors in volumes every day where owning BMW or Mercedes or chav wagon (anything to do with Range Rover)has replaced the ford mondo yet where my son lives property is much cheaper but very few nice luxury cars .


So back to topic I might have a test drive of 718 Cayman when it arrives just to see how bad it really is but no one ever moaned about a scooby engine being a boring drive! And did not porsche make a four cylinder turbo in years gone by that was also /still is loved and raced and is not the most sort after 968 the very rare turbo version !

kingston12

5,473 posts

156 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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I suppose £1m might be exceptional outside of London, but I actually know quite a lot of people who ended up in £700k+ houses and have certainly never earned anything over average wage, some with significant periods in very low paid jobs as well. They may have inherited some money, but it wouldn't have been much at all.

The whole landscape has changed so much since the 1970s when a manual worker could buy a house on a single salary - the same small terraced houses that dual earners with six figure salaries are now jumping over each other to buy. The difference is that they were considered as quite poor houses in those days. Now any house in the SE is a goldmine.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

264 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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I am a low rate TAX payer and own my GT4 outright also, live on an average street in a normal single garage house.

Pisses me off when people say "you are rich" when most people who ask me live in a house 3x the price and think nothing of spending £6k on a holiday.
I worked up the ladder and never thrown money down the drain like people do on PCP finance buying new cars every 3 years or buying £15k kitchens !

people can afford a £30k car on £25k PA at 25 years old no issue, if cars are what you like.

I have had 65 cars and worked up the ladder only owning 3 news cars from that 65 !! (2 of those took me ages to recover the loss)
IMo people just live in that, "want it now" age and will pay 15k in interest to get the car they want and after 3 years are left with NOTHING !!!!




GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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With the scooby I am referring to flat 4 turbo characteristics ,I have heard of that engine going into early pork and campers alike!
But I am not talking about a 100hp car the 944 turbo was what 220-250hp the 968turbo something like 300hp! so how is that irrelevant!
I love NA engines of the flat6 variety in my pork but it does not mean the 718 is a bad engine unless you judge it for yourself!
But it does not matter if it is good or bad to me as I would never buy one but I am sure others will love it!

GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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But it does matter as some automatically put it down as its a porsche with a flat 4 turbo! For me that's not an issue and it should not be judged as such or in comparison to the flat 6 before!
If porsche had bought out the boxster in 1996 as a flat 4 turbo the press and public would have gone mad for it! And if a na flat 6 had come out now most punters would still choose the f4 turbo!
Most NA flat 6 purists love a manual box yet the Pdk out sells it

GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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Porsche911R said:
:Pisses me off when people say "you are rich" when most people who ask me live in a house 3x the price and think nothing of spending £6k on a holiday.
I worked up the ladder and never thrown money down the drain like people do on PCP finance buying new cars every 3 years or buying £15k kitchens
IMo people just live in that, "want it now" age and will pay 15k in interest to get the car they want and after 3 years are left with NOTHING !!!!
This^^ but you forgot to add the smoking 20+ a day,drinking every night ,out for meals costing in excess of £100 on a regular basis and the amount of poorly paid workers I see eating macdonalds/ kfc at lunch times and so on!
Up until I was 30+I was driving some crap old cars frown. Yet most under 30s I see have fairly decent or new cars!

pencil9

143 posts

100 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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Bah humbug! You miserable old fkers !

GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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Mr moose I was making the point that although it's a flat4 turbo that me and you and many others have condemned because it is not a na flat6 (likewise the 991.2)does not mean it is not any good or that it won't sell in large numbers like previous non flat 6 na porsches! We both don't know yet how it will drive as we have not had a test drive but we are going to have a huge physiological dislike before we start the engine with it not being what has gone before whereas if as I pointed out it was built that way since 1996 we would look at it differently!

kingston12

5,473 posts

156 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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In those particular cases, yes.

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People on the average wage might buy (or more often rent) flats these days, but it was different in the 1970s. In those days, people would often be able to buy a small house in their first job whilst earning peanuts. If they got on well, they traded up, if not they stayed in the small house, but even some of those are pushing the type of value that we are talking about in some areas.

I would say there are a lot of people in that generation who have made far more money out of property than they ever did out of working.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

245 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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It's pretty clear that cars are much cheaper now, relative to house prices, than they've ever been before.

People spend their money on what they want to spend it on. Many people can "afford" a £65k Porsche - if they really want one.

Klippie

3,096 posts

144 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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Twinfan said:
Depending how you define "drivers spec" they really will be hard to find used. Under 100 manuals in the UK for a start, then if you're pickier than that it's a needle in a haystack. A lot will be more 'GT' than 'S' as that's how it should be in my opinion.

Best value for money 981 for a road or track 'drivers' car is an S with X73 and buckets (and minimal other options) I reckon. Cheaper than a GTS too.
My drivers spec would be manual with none of the expensive fancy toys, I'd have the coventional suspension, LSD, bucket seats, possibly ceramic brakes...I can now only dream.

Saying that I'd probably be better spending the money keeping my 987.2 S in tip top condition as I still like it lots.

Klippie

3,096 posts

144 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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So back to the original topic has anyone else driven the 718 yet.

kingston12

5,473 posts

156 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I suppose it is different outside of the SE bubble.

I was just sent details of a house that has come on the market today. 2up/2down Victorian terraced house with a tiny courtyard garden that would have had the only toilet in it back in the 1970s - £800k. That is just the type of house average earners bought back then (but clearly not now!). That is right on the edge of London, not somewhere like Hackney or Islington where prices have gone up much more.


GT4P

5,188 posts

184 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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I am with Kingston12 on this one most lifetime average earners who bought in the 70s which is a 3 bed semi/terrace where I live which is 40 miles from London would be sitting on an average £4-500k equity but very few if any £1m property but those same houses further north maybe well below the £282k average which cmoose keeps referring too!

kingston12

5,473 posts

156 months

Wednesday 27th April 2016
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anonymous said:
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In the road I gave as an example, typical professions would have been dustman, postman, domestic cleaner, maybe a couple of black cab drivers at the higher end. A lot of the same people were still living there up until recently and have now (sensibly) cashed in. I doubt many of them ever saw above the average wage for the area, and I don't think that the average for London/SE was so divorced from the rest of the country then as it is now. It was always higher, but not like now.

Countrywide, you must be right with a average house price of £282k, but there are a lot of older people in London/SE with that type of money hanging about from property gains. Most of them stoke the bubble up further by giving their kids six figure deposits to buy their own houses, but I bet some have put it towards nice toys and why not?