718 review - test drove today
Discussion
undred orse said:
You'll know cross hands then.i'm not far from there in a village.
I'm pleased you like the car. It must have been a bit of a wrench saying goodbye to the previous one but the 718 more than makes up for it I'm sure.
You are right the roads are great.I'm off to the Beacons on Friday having skirted them yesterday.The Boxster won't be a daily for me but it will come to work most Friday's as my commute is about 35 miles each way on a and B roads to mid Wales.
If you fancy a car chat and some time away from the relatives next time you are down let me know.
Yes, I know Cross Hands. The Pheonix pub is a friendly place. Your right about it being a wrench saying goodbye after 14yrs. ownership. Though as you say the new car has more than made up for my loss.It has moved things on and I l love it. Hope you enjoyed your drive in the Brecon Beacons on Friday.I'm pleased you like the car. It must have been a bit of a wrench saying goodbye to the previous one but the 718 more than makes up for it I'm sure.
You are right the roads are great.I'm off to the Beacons on Friday having skirted them yesterday.The Boxster won't be a daily for me but it will come to work most Friday's as my commute is about 35 miles each way on a and B roads to mid Wales.
If you fancy a car chat and some time away from the relatives next time you are down let me know.
Has anyone ever had a turbo (intercooler) car that reached around 65-70k and see how much maintenance it would require? to replace turbo ideally, head gaskets and probably some major maintenance work in the engine as considering that turbo cause loads of wear in the engine comparing to naturally aspirated cars.
So my point is, do all these brands (VW, porsche, bmw and etc..) have a bigger picture about the future of cars (EV?) and the turbo is just the stepping stone before we all move to EV technology?
I would really like to see the second hand price of a 718 turbo s on 70k mile and in the next 4-5 years versus any previous generation boxster with naturally aspirated engine on same miles? see which one needs more maintenance and how much would it cost.
At the end of the day a potential buyer/users would ask themselves do I really enjoy this driving experience by putting this amount of money into maintaining it for a second life?
So my point is, do all these brands (VW, porsche, bmw and etc..) have a bigger picture about the future of cars (EV?) and the turbo is just the stepping stone before we all move to EV technology?
I would really like to see the second hand price of a 718 turbo s on 70k mile and in the next 4-5 years versus any previous generation boxster with naturally aspirated engine on same miles? see which one needs more maintenance and how much would it cost.
At the end of the day a potential buyer/users would ask themselves do I really enjoy this driving experience by putting this amount of money into maintaining it for a second life?
Extra complexity is never a good thing - but not sure that turbos are going to be the major reliability issue. Turbo diesels go on to very high mileages (though variable vane turbos, common on diesels are rarely used on petrol engines because of the higher exhaust temperatures involved). In any case replacing a turbo is relatively easy - nothing like the issue with IMS bearings or bore scored engines. On the plus side the lower revs likely to be used because of the extra torque are a good thing for reliability.
anonymous said:
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It's all relative. Yes the new 718 is a more complicated turbo motor, but the 918 is hardly a hose and cart; complex ecus all over the place fibre optic control systems; dont kid yourself; thats a very very complex car with plenty to go wrong; the 718 just adds a turbo into the mix.
You 981 lads and lasses are dyed in the wool stalwarts. 
Coming soon 718 Cayman S:
It may sound strange,
Or even deranged,
And according to reports,
It is two cylinders short,
But around the Ring,
It is a bit of a thing,
So I have to ask,
Is it the sound in which you bask,
Or the taste of champagne,
In the champion's glass?
Whatever you prefer you have made a good choice
Coming soon 718 Cayman S:
It may sound strange,
Or even deranged,
And according to reports,
It is two cylinders short,
But around the Ring,
It is a bit of a thing,
So I have to ask,
Is it the sound in which you bask,
Or the taste of champagne,
In the champion's glass?
Whatever you prefer you have made a good choice
DJMC said:
My drive on track and road today in 718S...
Quick; Lag ; PASM more "jiggly" in normal mode than my 981 (both on 20's); No aural pleasure whatsoever; Steering not noticeably different; Looks mildly different but not better.
Back in my base 981 and... bliss.
That does square with my feeling that the 718 ride is stiffer than the 981s (though another poster thought differently). From what I have read the 718 has stiffer springs so that would be no great surprize. Quick; Lag ; PASM more "jiggly" in normal mode than my 981 (both on 20's); No aural pleasure whatsoever; Steering not noticeably different; Looks mildly different but not better.
Back in my base 981 and... bliss.
Did you notice what tyres were fitted?
Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 21st July 08:53
PZeros fitted. I had PZeros on my 981 for 5k miles. The firmer PASM isn't due to the Pirellis. A Porsche technician confirmed the suspension had been firmed up as has been said, but for a "comfort" setting this was just a little too firm for me.
My overwhelming thought yesterday was that if you are new to Porsche, you will be very happy with the 718.
My overwhelming thought yesterday was that if you are new to Porsche, you will be very happy with the 718.
Edited by DJMC on Thursday 21st July 16:29
DJMC said:
My overwhelming thought yesterday was that if you are new to Porsche, you will be very happy with the 718.
Certainly hope so ... otherwise that's £60k worth of unhappiness In regard to the rest of your interesting comments concerning differences in delivery of the N/A 6 as compared to the Turbo 4, your points are noted.
To give an idea of where I'm coming from, I currently run an M235i, which has both a 3l 6 pot (in-line) and turbo-charged (twin-scroll). Prior to that I had a 135i coupé; very similar in-line 3l 6 pot but with biturbo rather than twin-scroll. Some time prior to that I ran a 330Ci convertible, again BMW's in-line 3l 6 pot but with no forced induction.
So I have a little ground to compare similar vehicles/engines to discern n/a delivery to turbo.
The difference is fairly stark. The 330Ci with the linearity you'd expect up to full ~7k revs. The 135i/M235i with the initial whoosh and thump at ~2k revs as the smaller turbo/lower twin kicks in, then a further, bigger whoosh and thump higher up the revs as the larger turbo/upper twin kicks in.
The variable-vane induction in the 718 S sounds intriguing to me, and I cannot wait to taste its delivery, beyond the test-drive I had which certainly piqued. Different to biturbo/twinscroll or a single charger.
This I prefer. I would not go back to the linear delivery of an N/A engine given the choice of the two. Less excitement, less thrill, less interesting to me; the build and build and build to full revs - and having to go to those full revs to get the most out of the engine. I like the whoosh and thump, and miss it in other cars I drive.
So there is preference at play here. N/A isn't for everyone.
As for the sound - well that's a different dicussion, and rather more subjective.
Edited by Timbola on Thursday 21st July 11:47
Edited by Timbola on Thursday 21st July 12:41
DJMC said:
PZeros fitted. I had PZeros on my 981 for 5k miles. The firmer PASM isn't due to the Pirellis. A Porsche technician confirmed the suspension had been firmed up as has been said, but for a "comfort" setting this was just a little too firm for me.
But I expect the PZeros on the 718 would be N1s not N0s you've had before - as I have posted earlier they are definitely different (and better imo)Timbola said:
Certainly hope so ... otherwise that's £60k worth of unhappiness
In regard to the rest of your interesting comments concerning differences in delivery of the N/A 6 as compared to the Turbo 4, your points are noted.
To give an idea of where I'm coming from, I currently run an M235i, which has both a 3l 6 pot (in-line) and turbo-charged (twin-scroll). Prior to that I had a 135i coupé; very similar in-line 3l 6 pot but with biturbo rather than twin-scroll. Some time prior to that I ran a 330Ci convertible, again BMW's in-line 3l 6 pot but with no forced induction.
So I have a little ground to compare similar vehicles/engines to discern n/a delivery to turbo.
The difference is fairly stark. The 330Ci with the linearity you'd expect up to full ~7k revs. The 135i/M235i with the initial whoosh and thump at ~2k revs as the smaller turbo/lower twin kicks in, then a further, bigger whoosh and thump higher up the revs as the larger turbo/upper twin kicks in.
The variable-vane induction in the 718 S sounds intriguing to me, and I cannot wait to taste its delivery, beyond the test-drive I had which certainly piqued. Different to biturbo/twinscroll or a single charger.
This I prefer. I would not go back to the linear delivery of an N/A engine given the choice of the two. Less excitement, less thrill, less interesting to me; the build and build and build to full revs - and having to go to those full revs to get the most out of the engine. I like the whoosh and thump, and miss it in other cars I drive.
So there is preference at play here. N/A isn't for everyone.
As for the sound - well that's a different dicussion, and rather more subjective.
A well considered approach and you should be very happy with the 718S I should think. Horses for courses!In regard to the rest of your interesting comments concerning differences in delivery of the N/A 6 as compared to the Turbo 4, your points are noted.
To give an idea of where I'm coming from, I currently run an M235i, which has both a 3l 6 pot (in-line) and turbo-charged (twin-scroll). Prior to that I had a 135i coupé; very similar in-line 3l 6 pot but with biturbo rather than twin-scroll. Some time prior to that I ran a 330Ci convertible, again BMW's in-line 3l 6 pot but with no forced induction.
So I have a little ground to compare similar vehicles/engines to discern n/a delivery to turbo.
The difference is fairly stark. The 330Ci with the linearity you'd expect up to full ~7k revs. The 135i/M235i with the initial whoosh and thump at ~2k revs as the smaller turbo/lower twin kicks in, then a further, bigger whoosh and thump higher up the revs as the larger turbo/upper twin kicks in.
The variable-vane induction in the 718 S sounds intriguing to me, and I cannot wait to taste its delivery, beyond the test-drive I had which certainly piqued. Different to biturbo/twinscroll or a single charger.
This I prefer. I would not go back to the linear delivery of an N/A engine given the choice of the two. Less excitement, less thrill, less interesting to me; the build and build and build to full revs - and having to go to those full revs to get the most out of the engine. I like the whoosh and thump, and miss it in other cars I drive.
So there is preference at play here. N/A isn't for everyone.
As for the sound - well that's a different dicussion, and rather more subjective.
Edited by Timbola on Thursday 21st July 11:47
Edited by Timbola on Thursday 21st July 12:41
Another closer look at the new engine, starting from 0.52
https://youtu.be/fLllh5f3Zvc?t=52
Not much to be seen during action, but would be good to get some observations from engine experts.
https://youtu.be/fLllh5f3Zvc?t=52
Not much to be seen during action, but would be good to get some observations from engine experts.
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