718 Cayman Spec & Colours- what have you gone for?
Discussion
Tim bo said:
Nice spec. Agate with Satin wheels will be a spectacular combo I reckon.
A couple of must-haves on your spec for me are missing. Rain sensors and Dual Climate (which is also Auto Climate). These two are standard on just about every other marque but are extras in the porker.
On the PSE, I'm coming from a similar place to you. New to Porsche, and out of an M235i. The BMW's 3.0l straight six does sound wonderful, deep and bassy, subtle pops on the overrun, and the thrilling whine of the turbine when that kicks in at around 3.5k revs. 718's 2.5l flat four isn't quite as appealing, but I did find that the PSE improved matters on my test drive. Adds a little more bass to the burble, more pops and bangs on the overrun, and overall quite a bit louder than when the PSE is switched off.
Speccing it for me was an easy choice. If you don't, might you always wonder what it would be like to have it?
Haa haa. Cheers on the spec. Yeah the mlites engines are great but their chassis dynamics let them down IMO. I must admit I had auto wipers and mirror dip on my list originally but now dropped it because the price keeps escalating - and to be honest I've never liked auto wipers and guessed I'll just go manual on the mirror dipper if it means I can get the PSE 😀.A couple of must-haves on your spec for me are missing. Rain sensors and Dual Climate (which is also Auto Climate). These two are standard on just about every other marque but are extras in the porker.
On the PSE, I'm coming from a similar place to you. New to Porsche, and out of an M235i. The BMW's 3.0l straight six does sound wonderful, deep and bassy, subtle pops on the overrun, and the thrilling whine of the turbine when that kicks in at around 3.5k revs. 718's 2.5l flat four isn't quite as appealing, but I did find that the PSE improved matters on my test drive. Adds a little more bass to the burble, more pops and bangs on the overrun, and overall quite a bit louder than when the PSE is switched off.
Speccing it for me was an easy choice. If you don't, might you always wonder what it would be like to have it?
Out of interest did you drive a Cayman with the standard exhaust too? Reason I ask, I'm not sure the standard system sounds the same as the PSE when you turn the sports exhaust switch off. Or maybe it does? Thanks
alanshaw said:
Excellent spec, I've gone for very similar as you Agate, 20" satin, but with black/crayon, multifunction sports wheel as I thought the silver on the wheel would reflect the light/sun ?
I drove demo with PSE, yes ok but I thought sounded a bit false & would upset the neighbours !
Yeah love the black/crayon and considering it too. Great contrast with the Agare. Interesting you say that it sounds false... that's what the reviews suggest. What's your view on the sound of the engine generally...guess its whether you want more or less of it. I drove demo with PSE, yes ok but I thought sounded a bit false & would upset the neighbours !
Ollie1977 said:
Yeah love the black/crayon and considering it too. Great contrast with the Agare. Interesting you say that it sounds false... that's what the reviews suggest. What's your view on the sound of the engine generally...guess its whether you want more or less of it.
I thought the engine sounded fine not rasping, not as good as it's predecessor, but it will be my first Porsche & as I'm getting on a bit now, didn't think I could cope with the constant loud'ish sound of the engine on a long trip or when I take it to France.I drove an F type & that sounded great but possibly could be a bit much on longer journeys.
Ollie1977 said:
Hi there, I've read all 48 pages of this topic with great interest. I'm in the process of finalising my spec for a 718 Cayman but the one thing I'm really wrestling with is the PSE. This is my first Porsche, and I'm coming from a M135 which sounds great but my biggest regret with the car was not speccing the MPE for the pops and bangs.
Ok I know purists aren't a fan of the new flat four but I thought it sounds pretty good in sport with the standard exhaust considering (I test drove a Cayman S). Unfortunately my local dealer doesn't have a test model with PSE. I've read the press reviews but they seem so hung up about the four cylinder drone as they call it (which I don't entirely agree with) and suggest the PSE simply makes it worst. Of those of you who don't think the new flat four is that bad as everyone makes out, would you spec it?
I want the pops and crackles on the overrun. Love to hear views of future/real owners.
My spec
Cayman
Agate grey
20" Cayman S wheels in Satin
PASM
PDK
Debadge
Black twin tail pipes
Full leather (torn between black and burgundy seat belts or two tone black and red)
Multi functional steering wheel
Front and rear sensors
Heated seats
Sat Nav
Digital Rad
Smokers pack (just to cover up the hole in the center console)
Storage net
Love your views.
Ps I've come from a family of Porsche owners so know experienced all the old and new flat six. And I've now finally reached a time in my life I can afford one too ??.
Hi Ollie,Ok I know purists aren't a fan of the new flat four but I thought it sounds pretty good in sport with the standard exhaust considering (I test drove a Cayman S). Unfortunately my local dealer doesn't have a test model with PSE. I've read the press reviews but they seem so hung up about the four cylinder drone as they call it (which I don't entirely agree with) and suggest the PSE simply makes it worst. Of those of you who don't think the new flat four is that bad as everyone makes out, would you spec it?
I want the pops and crackles on the overrun. Love to hear views of future/real owners.
My spec
Cayman
Agate grey
20" Cayman S wheels in Satin
PASM
PDK
Debadge
Black twin tail pipes
Full leather (torn between black and burgundy seat belts or two tone black and red)
Multi functional steering wheel
Front and rear sensors
Heated seats
Sat Nav
Digital Rad
Smokers pack (just to cover up the hole in the center console)
Storage net
Love your views.
Ps I've come from a family of Porsche owners so know experienced all the old and new flat six. And I've now finally reached a time in my life I can afford one too ??.
Had my 718 Cayman since November. I took a gamble and ordered PSE without hearing it on a 2.0.
I wouldn't be without it now. I have it switched on almost all the time. Slight increase in volume and growliness under normal driving but the pops and bangs under deceleration are amazing, brings out my inner Boy Racer! Great for scaring old ladies and small children.
Ollie1977 said:
Hi there, I've read all 48 pages of this topic with great interest. I'm in the process of finalising my spec for a 718 Cayman but the one thing I'm really wrestling with is the PSE. This is my first Porsche, and I'm coming from a M135 which sounds great but my biggest regret with the car was not speccing the MPE for the pops and bangs.
Ok I know purists aren't a fan of the new flat four but I thought it sounds pretty good in sport with the standard exhaust considering (I test drove a Cayman S). Unfortunately my local dealer doesn't have a test model with PSE. I've read the press reviews but they seem so hung up about the four cylinder drone as they call it (which I don't entirely agree with) and suggest the PSE simply makes it worst. Of those of you who don't think the new flat four is that bad as everyone makes out, would you spec it?
I want the pops and crackles on the overrun. Love to hear views of future/real owners.
My spec
Cayman
Agate grey
20" Cayman S wheels in Satin
PASM
PDK
Debadge
Black twin tail pipes
Full leather (torn between black and burgundy seat belts or two tone black and red)
Multi functional steering wheel
Front and rear sensors
Heated seats
Sat Nav
Digital Rad
Smokers pack (just to cover up the hole in the center console)
Storage net
Love your views.
Ps I've come from a family of Porsche owners so know experienced all the old and new flat six. And I've now finally reached a time in my life I can afford one too ??.
Good spec Ollie - I've seen a lot of Boxsters in the Agate and it is a classy colour. I think it would look good with the two-tone leather package black & bordeaux, or were you thinking the full two-tone where the seats are full red not just the centres, if so I think that comes with the deviated red stitching which looks really nice in the flesh.Ok I know purists aren't a fan of the new flat four but I thought it sounds pretty good in sport with the standard exhaust considering (I test drove a Cayman S). Unfortunately my local dealer doesn't have a test model with PSE. I've read the press reviews but they seem so hung up about the four cylinder drone as they call it (which I don't entirely agree with) and suggest the PSE simply makes it worst. Of those of you who don't think the new flat four is that bad as everyone makes out, would you spec it?
I want the pops and crackles on the overrun. Love to hear views of future/real owners.
My spec
Cayman
Agate grey
20" Cayman S wheels in Satin
PASM
PDK
Debadge
Black twin tail pipes
Full leather (torn between black and burgundy seat belts or two tone black and red)
Multi functional steering wheel
Front and rear sensors
Heated seats
Sat Nav
Digital Rad
Smokers pack (just to cover up the hole in the center console)
Storage net
Love your views.
Ps I've come from a family of Porsche owners so know experienced all the old and new flat six. And I've now finally reached a time in my life I can afford one too ??.
I know it will add more options but here's some other thoughts. If you drive regularly at night then the xenon + PDLS may be a good idea as the standard xenons are only 30w and pretty poor in my opinion, that's why they can be xenon without washing and still be legal. If you like your music then I think BOSE is significantly better than the standard system especially in bass response and clarity. As others have said the 2-zone climate is probably worthwhile. I tell you the options are a bugger ... you look at the list and think that's good value, then you add £10k to it just to get it to a reasonable specification.
neilf said:
Hi Ollie,
Had my 718 Cayman since November. I took a gamble and ordered PSE without hearing it on a 2.0.
I wouldn't be without it now. I have it switched on almost all the time. Slight increase in volume and growliness under normal driving but the pops and bangs under deceleration are amazing, brings out my inner Boy Racer! Great for scaring old ladies and small children.
Damn you, I think I'll have to go for it. That's another £1200 on the extras list. :-) Thanks for the feedback that's exactly what I wanted to know... and nice to know I can turn it off when needs be.Had my 718 Cayman since November. I took a gamble and ordered PSE without hearing it on a 2.0.
I wouldn't be without it now. I have it switched on almost all the time. Slight increase in volume and growliness under normal driving but the pops and bangs under deceleration are amazing, brings out my inner Boy Racer! Great for scaring old ladies and small children.
Edited by Ollie1977 on Sunday 29th January 19:55
alanshaw said:
I thought the engine sounded fine not rasping, not as good as it's predecessor, but it will be my first Porsche & as I'm getting on a bit now, didn't think I could cope with the constant loud'ish sound of the engine on a long trip or when I take it to France.
I drove an F type & that sounded great but possibly could be a bit much on longer journeys.
Yeah i thought it sounds great on full throttle at top end but lacked a bit of drama for fast driving when decelerating. Good to know.I drove an F type & that sounded great but possibly could be a bit much on longer journeys.
andywalton said:
Good spec Ollie - I've seen a lot of Boxsters in the Agate and it is a classy colour. I think it would look good with the two-tone leather package black & bordeaux, or were you thinking the full two-tone where the seats are full red not just the centres, if so I think that comes with the deviated red stitching which looks really nice in the flesh.
I know it will add more options but here's some other thoughts. If you drive regularly at night then the xenon + PDLS may be a good idea as the standard xenons are only 30w and pretty poor in my opinion, that's why they can be xenon without washing and still be legal. If you like your music then I think BOSE is significantly better than the standard system especially in bass response and clarity. As others have said the 2-zone climate is probably worthwhile. I tell you the options are a bugger ... you look at the list and think that's good value, then you add £10k to it just to get it to a reasonable specification.
I was thinking the two tone black and red Bordeaux - as you say with the red stitching (or as my friend said, very MG! How dare he). Think it will look the dogs danglies. I know it will add more options but here's some other thoughts. If you drive regularly at night then the xenon + PDLS may be a good idea as the standard xenons are only 30w and pretty poor in my opinion, that's why they can be xenon without washing and still be legal. If you like your music then I think BOSE is significantly better than the standard system especially in bass response and clarity. As others have said the 2-zone climate is probably worthwhile. I tell you the options are a bugger ... you look at the list and think that's good value, then you add £10k to it just to get it to a reasonable specification.
Interesting about the lights, wasn't aware of this. Only trouble is the pse has just pushed me over my monthly budget. How bad are they? Can the bulbs be upgraded with higher K rating bulbs to make them whiter? I know Watts will have to stay the same.
Ollie1977 said:
Ps guys thanks for all the help. One other thing, have any you had any joy in securing discount? My dads bought new four times from the dealer and never had anything off, but he usually doesn't spend 25% of the base price on extras.
I pushed for and succeeded in getting a small discount but only because a communication balls-up meant OPC had to take on my 718 CS in November and build a new one for me to be delivered in Feb, so I had quite a bit of leverage.The only way I hear of folk succeeding in getting a discount is on the options list, as that is where there is the most margin and therefore leeway for the dealer. So if you say to them that you are considering speccing PSE but aren't sure due to the cost could they reduce the price a little? Negotiate on the options ...
Ollie1977 said:
Ps guys thanks for all the help. One other thing, have any you had any joy in securing discount? My dads bought new four times from the dealer and never had anything off, but he usually doesn't spend 25% of the base price on extras.
My options came to 16k..........no discount, even when I was walking away saying it's an F type then as they will match Porsche price for my spec.Reply was Porsche (OPC) will sell all it's allocation, Jag dealer needs to give incentive which will reflect in resale values.
But it was the Cayman I wanted, so my wait is around 8months v 2 for a Jag, should be well worth it.
Ollie1977 said:
I was thinking the two tone black and red Bordeaux - as you say with the red stitching (or as my friend said, very MG! How dare he). Think it will look the dogs danglies.
Interesting about the lights, wasn't aware of this. Only trouble is the pse has just pushed me over my monthly budget. How bad are they? Can the bulbs be upgraded with higher K rating bulbs to make them whiter? I know Watts will have to stay the same.
Olly, on the lights I only drove in town but I wasn't blown away with the standard system. I wanted to know what the real difference between the standard and pdls lights were, also I was pretty sure that to have xenons you need self leveling and a cleaning system by law, so thought it strange that the Cayman had xenon without the cleaning system. Interesting about the lights, wasn't aware of this. Only trouble is the pse has just pushed me over my monthly budget. How bad are they? Can the bulbs be upgraded with higher K rating bulbs to make them whiter? I know Watts will have to stay the same.
There are a few threads out there - here's one http://www.718forum.com/forum/new-member-introduct...
Good to see another M135i/M235i driver is swapping to a 718.
If it makes your decision any easier, The 'basic' PDLS option also gets you 4 point LED DRLs (although they not the full blown ones which cost £1.2k) which I think look pretty dam cool.
I've specced them since I realised that the basic xenons weren't 'real'.
If it makes your decision any easier, The 'basic' PDLS option also gets you 4 point LED DRLs (although they not the full blown ones which cost £1.2k) which I think look pretty dam cool.
I've specced them since I realised that the basic xenons weren't 'real'.
neilf said:
Hi Ollie,
Had my 718 Cayman since November. I took a gamble and ordered PSE without hearing it on a 2.0.
I wouldn't be without it now. I have it switched on almost all the time. Slight increase in volume and growliness under normal driving but the pops and bangs under deceleration are amazing, brings out my inner Boy Racer! Great for scaring old ladies and small children.
Good to know it's worth it. I'm close to lockdown and have been on the fence about the PSE.Had my 718 Cayman since November. I took a gamble and ordered PSE without hearing it on a 2.0.
I wouldn't be without it now. I have it switched on almost all the time. Slight increase in volume and growliness under normal driving but the pops and bangs under deceleration are amazing, brings out my inner Boy Racer! Great for scaring old ladies and small children.
That said, it seems like a few other options now seem preferable/necessary. I'd assumed the basic xenons would be of a good standard, plus I've currently left out dual climate and the auto wiper/dimming options.
Anyone know whether the dipping mirrors are standard or part of another option?
Well guys thanks to all your help I put a deposit down today to lock down a build slot. Sounds like the PC are having a demo car with PSE so I can check it out before I finalise spec. Will share my thoughts. If a no go then will upgrade lights because the ones on the mlite are superb.
Re price discount I managed was a tank of fuel, and a full experience day (rather than half day!). PC wouldnt even round down my monthly payments by a few quid! Plus I've been told I'll get a few Porsche goodies...whatever that means. Interestingly I tried autobid who reckon they could save just under £1500 through a factory order, from a dealer. I wasn't convinced, plus I'm doing PX so that's important given I won't get the car for 10/11 months.
Re price discount I managed was a tank of fuel, and a full experience day (rather than half day!). PC wouldnt even round down my monthly payments by a few quid! Plus I've been told I'll get a few Porsche goodies...whatever that means. Interestingly I tried autobid who reckon they could save just under £1500 through a factory order, from a dealer. I wasn't convinced, plus I'm doing PX so that's important given I won't get the car for 10/11 months.
andywalton said:
Olly, on the lights I only drove in town but I wasn't blown away with the standard system. I wanted to know what the real difference between the standard and pdls lights were, also I was pretty sure that to have xenons you need self leveling and a cleaning system by law, so thought it strange that the Cayman had xenon without the cleaning system.
There are a few threads out there - here's one http://www.718forum.com/forum/new-member-introduct...
Gees thanks for the share. This sort of thing pi%$ me off. Does the base upgrade get around the issue? There are a few threads out there - here's one http://www.718forum.com/forum/new-member-introduct...
Ollie1977 said:
neilf said:
Hi Ollie,
Had my 718 Cayman since November. I took a gamble and ordered PSE without hearing it on a 2.0.
I wouldn't be without it now. I have it switched on almost all the time. Slight increase in volume and growliness under normal driving but the pops and bangs under deceleration are amazing, brings out my inner Boy Racer! Great for scaring old ladies and small children.
Damn you, I think I'll have to go for it. That's another £1200 on the extras list. :-) Thanks for the feedback that's exactly what I wanted to know... and nice to know I can turn it off when needs be.Had my 718 Cayman since November. I took a gamble and ordered PSE without hearing it on a 2.0.
I wouldn't be without it now. I have it switched on almost all the time. Slight increase in volume and growliness under normal driving but the pops and bangs under deceleration are amazing, brings out my inner Boy Racer! Great for scaring old ladies and small children.
Edited by Ollie1977 on Sunday 29th January 19:55
Not sure if it'll help/hinder your decision but I forgot to mention PSE kinda has 3 sound levels:
1. Everything off (quiet)
2. PSE on but Sport mode off (little bit louder)
3. Sport mode on (scare old lady mode)
thx Ollie1977 said:
Gees thanks for the share. This sort of thing pi%$ me off. Does the base upgrade get around the issue?
I think the xenon + pdls improves things ... but I'm sure Porsche would want you to get the LEDs. I have definitely come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a base specification or even a slightly optioned spec. My bugbear ... I still can't believe DAB costs £284
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