New Pirelli PZero (PZ4)

[bcr5784]

Anyone seen or tried these yet? I am assuming what is referred to as PZ4 in America is the same as the Pzero (new) on the Pirelli website. Given the Pirelli list both PZero and PZero new I can see some confusion arising.

[ianrb]

bcr5784 said:

Anyone seen or tried these yet? I am assuming what is referred to as PZ4 in America is the same as the Pzero (new) on the Pirelli website. Given the Pirelli list both PZero and PZero new I can see some confusion arising.

Do you mean the Pzero nero? If so they're described as all weather tyres rather than performance tyres.

[Porsche911R]

best just to steer clear of Pirelli imo

[Orangecurry]

The OP means the new Pzero.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/

Looks interesting, especially the Sport version, but the Pirelli website is woeful as I can't find a list of sizes for each specific tyre.

[croyde]

My and everyone else's new Mustangs come shod with these.

Pretty crap for keeping 420 bhp under control in our cool climate.

I've treated mine as rubbish early 80s Japanese motorcycle tyres so only the odd slide so far but others have not been so lucky.

[AndyCGTS]

I'd personally just stay clear of any P-Zero tyre (Abit P-Zero Trofeo R), as my personal experance with these is they are dire.

[rbh]

My limited understanding is that on the 991 Porsche the only "N" tyre that Porsche allow is the P Zero (original). However it appears that the new P Zero supersedes the older tyre but doesn't seem to have Porsche approval. To maintain Porsche warranty what tyre do we have to use now?

[bcr5784]

rbh said:

My limited understanding is that on the 991 Porsche the only "N" tyre that Porsche allow is the P Zero (original). However it appears that the new P Zero supersedes the older tyre but doesn't seem to have Porsche approval. To maintain Porsche warranty what tyre do we have to use now?

The Pirelli site makes it pretty clear it is N rated for the Cayman S on 19" wheels. I'm not a great fan of the existing PZeros but was hoping that someone might know if the new one was a step forward.

[INWB]

I've just had two fitted to my 911 and I am happy enough.

[bcr5784]

INWB said:

I've just had two fitted to my 911 and I am happy enough.

Thanks for that - can you notice any difference from the "old" PZero?

[W12JFD]

Porsche911R said:

best just to steer clear of Pirelli imo

Mine are going great guns on the Spyder now I'm used to them - loads of life and seem to be quicker on track than the Cup Twos you GT4 chaps are struggling with!!

[INWB]

bcr5784 said:

Thanks for that - can you notice any difference from the "old" PZero?

Not really - well I don't slide so much these days but then my old ones were totally illegal !

I think when the fronts go I will likely go to a road legal race tyre as I don't do that many miles but I don't have any issues with these pirellis

[woodysnr]

Have P Zero on the new Spyder one thing to watch out for no rim protectors so wheels can get kerbed very easy .On the 987 Spyder have Michelin PS2 and are fine .only driven the new one a few hundred miles so no comparison but think the PS2 area a better tyre by all accounts

[bcr5784]

woodysnr said:

Have P Zero on the new Spyder one thing to watch out for no rim protectors so wheels can get kerbed very easy .On the 987 Spyder have Michelin PS2 and are fine .only driven the new one a few hundred miles so no comparison but think the PS2 area a better tyre by all accounts

I like the idea of kerb protectors, but I do wonder if they really work (and I'm not going to do any experiments to find out).

[woodysnr]

Rim protectors on the tyre work trust me .The 981 Spyder wheel looks like it is about to shed the tyre on the P Zeros s looks bad compared to the 987 Spyder where it sits hard against the rim

[bcr5784]

woodysnr said:

Rim protectors on the tyre work trust me .The 981 Spyder wheel looks like it is about to shed the tyre on the P Zeros s looks bad compared to the 987 Spyder where it sits hard against the rim

I understand what you are saying, I just wonder whether the rubber is hard enough either to deflect the wheel, or provide feedback through the steering strong enough to make the driver react quickly enough, but I'd certainly prefer to have a bit of rim protector than not.

[Radish]

I have just replaced the P Zeros on my 981C with Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2s (20" wheels); what a revelation - quieter, steering feels nicer and no juddering when manoeuvring! By the way, the Goodyears are Porsche approved (N0)

Edited by Radish on Wednesday 8th June 09:31

Edited by Radish on Wednesday 8th June 09:31

[Ape50]

I recently replaced Pzeros with PSS and having just got back from a week in the Alps can say they are far better. No slides front or rear in either wet or dry conditions - I found the grip with the Pzeor average to poor. Also have found no juddering on full lock with the PSS. How can a tyre that is clearly so much better not be Porsche approved ? - it's crazy !

Edited by Ape50 on Wednesday 8th June 10:38

[b2tus]

[quote=Radish]I have just replaced the P Zeros on my 981C with Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2s (20" wheels); what a revelation - quieter, steering feels nicer and no juddering when manoeuvring! By the way, the Goodyears are Porsche approved (N0)

I can fully agree with this as I also changed my 981 20" PZeros over to Goodyear Asymmetric F1/2s a month ago. Much quieter, virtually no scrubbing on full lock and seemingly a smoother ride over the Kent lousy road surfaces.

The 235/35 fronts were reasonably easy to obtain (Blackcircles) at £157 each fitted/balanced but the 265/35 rears were quite difficult. Had to source them through Cartyres.com (came from Germany) at £210 each fitted/balanced. They are all NO Porsche approved. The sourcing difficulty could be due to the F1/series 3 tyres coming on the market but so far, no sign of Porsche approval for this tyre.

[bcr5784]

Just got a set of Pirelli PZero N1s (ie PZ4 as marked on the sidewall) tyres. I have them because my N0 Pzeros started cracking - as others have experienced - and Pirelli (whatever you might think of the tyres, their customer service was superb) have - without any hastle - replaced a pair of front tyres for free (My rears were close to the limit in any case). I shall fit the N1S in the next couple of days and report back. I was much impressed by the steering on the 718 with N1 Pirellis - it will be interesting how much was down to the change of tyres and how much to the change in steering.