718 Cayman

[Ian in Halifax]

My Spec PHXI7DF8 I am £1700 over my budget. I think the heated seats will be going.....sniff

[Timbola]

Ian in Halifax said:

My Spec PHXI7DF8 I am £1700 over my budget. I think the heated seats will be going.....sniff

Pfff. You wanna drop the PDK

Being more serious, you think the Sport Chrono is worth it?

Edited by Timbola on Wednesday 6th July 13:12

[edo]

My dealer said September for their demos.

[bcr5784]

mogli882 said:

I had a extended drive in a 718 boxster with 20s (no PASM) and I was really surprised at how compliant it was, drove it over a real mixture of road types. I have always been in the PASM camp but that drive did have me questioning whether it was absolutely necessary.

I had a day with a 718 on 20" wheels with Pzero N1 tyres and thought the ride unacceptable to me (bad roads near Silverstone). My 981 S has PASM and the same tyres (N1 Pzeros) on 19" wheels. My car is clearly much more comfortable with PASM in normal and even more comfortable with PASM in sport on the same roads.

One thought occurs to me, on the 981 at least, the normal pressures for 20" wheels are 33psi but there is a comfort option (slightly speed limited) of 30psi. I know the 781 I drove car was at 33psi (the ride was so jiggly I checked) - but was the car you drove on the comfort setting? My 981 was at 33psi too.

[edo]

My personal view is PASM is required on 20s for a nice drive when not on it. On both 991 and 981 I found sport too firm for most uk b roads. On the 718 I tried with PASM and 20s sport seemed much better. I prefer the design of the boxster S 19s, it will ride even better and I have saved 700 quid!

My only slight remaining reservation is the sport tex but I think it brings a bit of contrast along with all the deviated stitching you would not get with full leather (without paying for it )

[bcr5784]

Mario149 said:

I wouldn't bother with Bose or ceramics, I'd spend some of that money saved on sports bucket seats instead.

I have Bose in my 981 GTS, and given the amount of tyre roar and exhaust/engine noise, I'm pretty sure it's pointless. Unless you stand in traffic a lot of course.

In terms of ceramics, if you're speccing the Carrera Classic wheels, they hide brake dust *very* effectively so cosmetically there's won't be much difference. Also, in terms of performance, you don't need ceramics for the road and you don't really want them for track, and luckily Carrera Classic wheels are the second lightest option you can spec in 20" from memory so you'll have ditched some unsprung weight already.

Sports bucket seats really make my 981 GTS for me, they make it fee very special. I've driven other 981/991.2 cars without them and have really missed them. Have a sit in some if you haven't already, they're very comfortable and don't squeeze the hell out of you like the Carrera GT seats that were options on some GT3s

+1 to most of that. A recent back to back test of a 911 with and without ceramics showed no difference in stopping distance or fade after repeated stops from 100mph so you really won't get any braking benefit on the road.

Re sports buckets - they will give you access issues unless you can open the doors fully - or if you are short. They don't height adjust. So I'd check before speccing them. As with all such seats whether they suit depends on your size. I wouldn't spec them - but I'm 5' 6" and under 60kg - Mario is somewhat larger I gather.

[edo]

I would agree that on the road Ceramics are hard to justify. They also have a tendency to squeal.

I had them on a 981 Cayman, and on a track day at Bedford they were outstanding (outlasted a Mclaren who didnt have them and whose brakes caught fire!)

They do have the benefit of lasting much longer; easily 100k if you dont do a track day a week and abuse them, so there is a saving there.

Finally they dont generate anything like as much (if alomost no) brake dust on the wheels which is a bonus but not worth 5k for!

[Mario149]

bcr5784 said:

Mario is somewhat larger I gather.

Diplomatically said Sir! I would just like to say for the record that I can still fit in a S3 caterham though (just), although my shoulder holds the door open and Power to weight ratio suffers more than average

[neilf]

Deal done.

Now for the wait...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PH9Q54P6

Initially wanted the 20" Carrera S wheels as the Carrera Sports looked naff on the configurator. But after seeing them in the flesh on a 718 Cayman I changed my mind!

Edited by neilf on Wednesday 6th July 19:27

[bcr5784]

neilf said:

Deal done.

Now for the wait...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PH9Q54P6

Still time to cancel that Bose. It was an £800 rip-off (and naff) when SPP was an extra. Now SPP is included it is even more overpriced. To put it in context I have a 2.1 system on my PC (Acoustic Energy - but only just over £100) which is in a completely different league quality wise - clarity/base etc. If you have a home system with any vague affinity with true hi-fi you will be disappointed.

[mercGLowner]

neilf said:

Deal done.

Now for the wait...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PH9Q54P6

Initially wanted the 20" Carrera S wheels as the Carrera Sports looked naff on the configurator. But after seeing them in the flesh on a 718 Cayman I changed my mind!

Edited by neilf on Wednesday 6th July 19:27

That does look lovely in GT Silver and i never considered those alloys before. Great spec, I personally wouldn't bother with the PSE, but thats personal choice, I will be having the sports tailpipes though! I think i prefer Sport Chrono to the PSE.

[mercGLowner]

bcr5784 said:

I personally wouldn't want 20" wheels - they spoil the ride (19s are a better compromise imo). If they are a must then I'd definitely go for PASM. I'd ditch Sport Chrono. Add climate (the standard system is manual) - it's not the 2 zone bit that is important. Nav is certainly helpful for resale, but I suspect it will be a dealer upgrade now, so perhaps not such a big issue if you wouldn't use it. SPP is now standard and I wouldn't "upgrade" to Bose (I'd be being kind if I said it was very ordinary).

Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 6th July 08:22

Good point re climate, it's a bit stingy not including it, but then again thats what Porsche do I suppose! I think i could live with the 19 Boxster S wheels, but i would want to see them in the flesh.

[FrankCayman]

I am awaiting an email back from my OPC to arrange a 718 Boxster 2.7 on loan over night.

He said he needed to 'speak to his manager' to confirm an extended test drive....which I found a little annoying seeing as I have bought 3 brand new Porsches off them consecutively ....

Christ, when my car goes in for a service, they give me a brand new 991's/Panameras etc. which I have had for 3 days at times whilst they ordered parts.

[AndyCGTS]

That sounds like Colchester OPC to me.....

[Ian in Halifax]

Neil did you get any discount ???

[FrankCayman]

AndyCGTS said:

That sounds like Colchester OPC to me.....

Ha ha.....you know it!!!

[DJMC]

Q. Which are the only brakes to have failed at the PEC?

A. Ceramics.

...per my instructor there last December.

[worldwidewebs]

Mario149 said:

I wouldn't bother with Bose or ceramics, I'd spend some of that money saved on sports bucket seats instead.

Sports bucket seats really make my 981 GTS for me, they make it fee very special. I've driven other 981/991.2 cars without them and have really missed them. Have a sit in some if you haven't already, they're very comfortable and don't squeeze the hell out of you like the Carrera GT seats that were options on some GT3s

I had buckets in my Cayman R and while I agree with you on the sense of occasion bit and the fact that they do hold you in really well, I actually didn't like them. I found that the beading between the alcantara and the leather just below the seat slot thing seemed to press on a nerve at the top of my spine - quite painful and resulted in me having to slouch to avoid it. I've had 4 other Porsche, all with the sports seats, without any problems so that's the way I think I'd go

I agree that the Bose is overpriced but the standard setup will be even worse and aftermarket options always seem hard to fit on Porsche for some reason (I'm no expert in this area!)

[FourPotPorsche]

Trying to think positive that the new Bose for the Cayman is worth the £800 but probably isn't despite my sales person insisting it is the first thing he would spec! I believe that the new Sound Package Plus, whilst down in power output from 225w to 150w, has new amplification circuitry and may be acceptable in what is a noisy cabin anyway.....but trying to demo the Bose vs SPP in the 718 is not possible so it's a leap of faith.

Other dilemmas I have:

PTV or not?
Sat Nav and Connect Plus vs just Connect?
Bi-Xenons vs Bi-Xenons with PDSL?

I need to firm up on all of this very soon

[bcr5784]

FourPotPorsche said:

Trying to think positive that the new Bose for the Cayman is worth the £800 but probably isn't despite my sales person insisting it is the first thing he would spec! I believe that the new Sound Package Plus, whilst down in power output from 225w to 150w, has new amplification circuitry and may be acceptable in what is a noisy cabin anyway.....but trying to demo the Bose vs SPP in the 718 is not possible so it's a leap of faith.

I have to think either

1) Your salesman has cloth ears
or 2) SPP is truly awful
or 3) He gets a lot of commission from selling Bose

Bose and SPP will dubtless sound a bit different in a Boxster to a Cayman, and a 718 might be a little different from a 981. But surely you could take along some music of your own which you have played on good equipment and do a back to back test in a 718 Boxster or a 981 Boxster or (probably better) Cayman. You'd get some idea from that.