What's a purist ?
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Someone who's into lightweight RWD cars. Manual gear change , steering with feel and normally aspirated engines. Last car Porsche made with this recipe was 964/993 RS IMO. Later cars are a bit too heavy although 996 GT3 best of the moderns so generally speaking a purist would like the aforementioned cars. Porsche certainly doesn't make anything like them at the moment and will struggle to with electric steering and turbo cars.
IMI A said:
Someone who's into lightweight RWD cars. Manual gear change , steering with feel and normally aspirated engines. Last car Porsche made with this recipe was 964/993 RS IMO. Later cars are a bit too heavy although 996 GT3 best of the moderns so generally speaking a purist would like the aforementioned cars. Porsche certainly doesn't make anything like them at the moment and will struggle to with electric steering and turbo cars.
Agree, although from what I'm hearing the 991 R may well come close. As you say, the challenge is with electric steering and forced induction. My 'fun' car is a 987.1, and I was genuinely shocked when I tried out a 981 (thinking about 'upgrading') - the 981 is ultimately faster, but lacks feedback and involvement. As someone who's owned a fair few Porsches over many years, including 3.2 Carrera, 928GT, 986, 987S, I'm genuinely disappointed by the latest offerings. I know that Porsche is seriously hampered by the latest emission regs forcing EPAS, turbos etc, but surely a company of this heritage can produce a car that feels better to drive than the 981??Have to agree with the above. Drove a friends 991 GTS and agree it's an amazing car, but not 40k better than my 987 Spyder. The steering works but you don't feel connected to the road. The 987 is talking to you all the time and feels so great when loaded up.
The brakes stop very well but you don't feel anything through the pedal. The Spyder lets you feel the tread blocks through the pedal. The old 997 GTS also let you feel this sensation.
The motor torque is great although the pdk lets you flick about easily. Still a great engine to rev out.
Really does feel like a sanitised sports car. My friend is an enthuasiast but not a fast driver and not into cornering. Just likes cruising and putting foot down now and again. Great for him but I couldn't bring myself to buy one. Still covers ground at a mega pace and does get the adrenaline pumping, but the Spyder does far more for me.
Would like a 911 alongside the Spyder but will prob have to be 997.2! Shame as a 991 interior inside of the 997 chassis would be perfect.
The brakes stop very well but you don't feel anything through the pedal. The Spyder lets you feel the tread blocks through the pedal. The old 997 GTS also let you feel this sensation.
The motor torque is great although the pdk lets you flick about easily. Still a great engine to rev out.
Really does feel like a sanitised sports car. My friend is an enthuasiast but not a fast driver and not into cornering. Just likes cruising and putting foot down now and again. Great for him but I couldn't bring myself to buy one. Still covers ground at a mega pace and does get the adrenaline pumping, but the Spyder does far more for me.
Would like a 911 alongside the Spyder but will prob have to be 997.2! Shame as a 991 interior inside of the 997 chassis would be perfect.
IMI A said:
Someone who's into lightweight RWD cars. Manual gear change , steering with feel and normally aspirated engines. Last car Porsche made with this recipe was 964/993 RS IMO. Later cars are a bit too heavy although 996 GT3 best of the moderns so generally speaking a purist would like the aforementioned cars. Porsche certainly doesn't make anything like them at the moment and will struggle to with electric steering and turbo cars.
Ahem, Carrera GT came after964/993 RS!AndrewD said:
IMI A said:
Someone who's into lightweight RWD cars. Manual gear change , steering with feel and normally aspirated engines. Last car Porsche made with this recipe was 964/993 RS IMO. Later cars are a bit too heavy although 996 GT3 best of the moderns so generally speaking a purist would like the aforementioned cars. Porsche certainly doesn't make anything like them at the moment and will struggle to with electric steering and turbo cars.
Ahem, Carrera GT came after964/993 RS!
I see a purist as someone who craves the unfiltered simplicity of the original Porsche DNA.
Its not just about lightness, its about being connected to the car and road as directly as possible.
Its about your actions having a direct and proportionate effect on what the car does, no matter what the outcome
Its certainly not about having your inputs monitored, managed and altered within a set of safe parameters!
Its not just about lightness, its about being connected to the car and road as directly as possible.
Its about your actions having a direct and proportionate effect on what the car does, no matter what the outcome
Its certainly not about having your inputs monitored, managed and altered within a set of safe parameters!
Ozzie Osmond said:
nickfrog said:
So I wonder if there was an objective definition of a purist in car terms....
If you Google "pub bore" I think you'll find the answer quite quickly.In Porsche terms that should mean a squashed beetle... erm i mean 356
Although generally with Porsche its anything post the air cooled era and heaven forbid that it should only have two pedals.Porsche911R said:
Cayman R comes pretty close IMO as does the 987.2 spyder.
Not even close.Porsche911R said:
Also lighter than a 993.
Maybe lighter than a standard 993 C2/C2S/C4/C4S, not lighter than a properly specced 993 RS (ie no aircon, airbags or electric windows and proper lightweight seats)Porsche911R said:
And we won't see car like those 2 again which is sad news.
I very much doubt the real purists will mourn their passing, they were the result of some inspired tinkering by the engineers at Stuttgart, but hardly the stuff of legend you'd have us believe, and certainly nothing close to the focused flyweight original 911R.The GT4 is step in the right direction, but the chocolate front turrets and hopeless gearing show there's room for improvement still. If they produce a GT4 R/RS with another 35hp, decent gearing, put it on a proper weight loss program and use a bodyshell fit for purpose, it might well be considered a car for the modern day Porsche purist.
ks, you either happy with your choice or not, although clearly air is better than water 
IMO (and I'm normally wrong)
a RWD, manual vehicle with minimal aero, no drivers aids (maybe ABS?) light as possible. (so NO sunroof, maybe AC no extra weight items)
Older 911's, 964 C2, 964RS, 992 C2, 993RS, 96GT3's and just getting in there due to numbers, low weight and feel - CR and 987.2 Spyder.
The 911R is trying to replicate that...
a RWD, manual vehicle with minimal aero, no drivers aids (maybe ABS?) light as possible. (so NO sunroof, maybe AC no extra weight items)
Older 911's, 964 C2, 964RS, 992 C2, 993RS, 96GT3's and just getting in there due to numbers, low weight and feel - CR and 987.2 Spyder.
The 911R is trying to replicate that...
I think there's a difference between a Porsche purist and a driving purist. And also depends on available budget.
A driving purist would probably not consider any Porsche model. Although part of that may be budget related (meaning hundreds of thousands not tens of thousands). Lotus, Caterham etc would be higher on the list I think.
Driving feel and sensation is one thing. But for me a pure driving experience is one where you live or die by your own inputs and talents and not those of a computer quietly and imperceptibly admonishing your mistakes, which also means that you never learn from them and improve your skills.
I suppose it's real versus fake.
Espresso vs filter
Original art vs giclée print
Cervelo bike vs Cerrera bike
Mulberry bag vs Matalan special
A driving purist would probably not consider any Porsche model. Although part of that may be budget related (meaning hundreds of thousands not tens of thousands). Lotus, Caterham etc would be higher on the list I think.
Driving feel and sensation is one thing. But for me a pure driving experience is one where you live or die by your own inputs and talents and not those of a computer quietly and imperceptibly admonishing your mistakes, which also means that you never learn from them and improve your skills.
I suppose it's real versus fake.
Espresso vs filter
Original art vs giclée print
Cervelo bike vs Cerrera bike
Mulberry bag vs Matalan special
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