718 Positive Vibes Thread...
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LiamH66 said:
Possibly "not very manly", but I loved the compliant ride and light controls of the original Elan Sprint, and they were really benign on the limit for those days.
Liam
+1 It's a great pity that there isn't a real equivalent today - really small, agile, quite practical and civilised, with more than enough grip - even by today's standards. (But with rather less than enough reliability.) Today's kit car manufacturers don't near it in all round capability, and, I'm afraid mainstream manufacturers probably couldn't make it because safety legislation would require ABS, crush zones and stability controls, and the market would require aircon and then of course we'd have power steering.... an MX5. But an MX5 has morphed far from the original and has become a different animal.Liam
Edited by LiamH66 on Wednesday 12th October 00:12
718Sapphire said:
If I can use my first post to add to the positive vibes, here's the 718 Boxster I collected a couple of week ago. It's the base model - coming from an elderly 987 2.7 Cayman, the 55 odd bhp power upgrade is more than enough.
Looks great, congratulations!Don't be shy, show us a bit more. Roof colour, interior.
ikonic said:
Is that Racing Yellow on the prior page?
It looks a lot deeper and richer than the yellow I saw in a dealer a while ago.
It does indeed look deeper and richer than racing yellow.It looks a lot deeper and richer than the yellow I saw in a dealer a while ago.
I suspect it's camera filters used or post-process editing on behalf of the photographer to make the pics appear more moody, rather that it being a different colour car altogether.
Another one from the same set looks a bit brighter ...
Edited by Tim bo on Wednesday 12th October 10:11
718Sapphire said:
If I can use my first post to add to the positive vibes, here's the 718 Boxster I collected a couple of week ago. It's the base model - coming from an elderly 987 2.7 Cayman, the 55 odd bhp power upgrade is more than enough.
Thats lovely, more pics please 
What wheels did you go for?
718Sapphire said:
If I can use my first post to add to the positive vibes, here's the 718 Boxster I collected a couple of week ago. It's the base model - coming from an elderly 987 2.7 Cayman, the 55 odd bhp power upgrade is more than enough.
Congratulations - not often Porsche come up with great colours but sapphire is definitely one of them. We chose Carrara white metallic for our BGTS primarily because we'd had a string of blue Porsche's and fancied a change, but it was a very difficult decision to move away from sapphire. With so many kind comments, it would be churlish to refuse. I (unsurprisingly) agree with the sentiments on sapphire blue. I was originally specced in guards red although sacrificed a July build slot when blue suddenly appeared to the configurator. The rims are 20" Carrera S and I've gone for a standard black interior. I'll try and get more photographs at the weekend. With the nights drawing in, all I'd get otherwise is a dark blue blur.
Another M2 vs 718S Cayman battle, this time from Car Throttle
Sound of the F4T is referred to again, but here's another reviewer who rather likes it;
"Ah yes, that engine - now infamously packing four cylinders rather than six, and thus causing rage in many dark corners of the internet. But you know what? I rather like it. The old 3.4-litre made a spine-tingling noise, but it never really felt that fast. Fairly linear the power delivery of this 2.5-litre, 345bhp engine may be for a turbo engine, but it’s strong in the mid range, and while peak power comes at 6500rpm, there’s little penalty (about a five per cent drop in power) in buzzing it all the way around to the 7500rpm rev limiter.
Do that, and the gruff, Subaru Impreza-like growl at the low end is a distant memory, replaced with an effervescent zing that rings through the cabin just before you slot in a new gear on the slick and mechanical-feeling six-speed manual gearbox. Given all the moaning about this Cayman and its Boxster stablemate apparently not sounding good enough, the great irony is that this new engine probably makes a better noise than any four-cylinder engine fitted to a current car."
The rest is rather more predictable;
"Reaching some corners, and the difference between the Cayman and the M2 is plain to see. The M2 can’t change direction as quickly, rolls more in the middle of the corner, and doesn’t grip as tenaciously. The gear change isn’t as slick, either.
However, all of that is about as surprising as an explosion in a Michael Bay movie. Sure, the M2 has a track that’s 58mm wider at the front and 45mm wider at the back compared to an M235i, plus bits of M4 in its suspension and an electronically controlled M limited-slip differential, but it’s still not a sports car built from the ground up like the Cayman is. And that shows."
All the more grist to the good-vibes mill.
Sound of the F4T is referred to again, but here's another reviewer who rather likes it;
"Ah yes, that engine - now infamously packing four cylinders rather than six, and thus causing rage in many dark corners of the internet. But you know what? I rather like it. The old 3.4-litre made a spine-tingling noise, but it never really felt that fast. Fairly linear the power delivery of this 2.5-litre, 345bhp engine may be for a turbo engine, but it’s strong in the mid range, and while peak power comes at 6500rpm, there’s little penalty (about a five per cent drop in power) in buzzing it all the way around to the 7500rpm rev limiter.
Do that, and the gruff, Subaru Impreza-like growl at the low end is a distant memory, replaced with an effervescent zing that rings through the cabin just before you slot in a new gear on the slick and mechanical-feeling six-speed manual gearbox. Given all the moaning about this Cayman and its Boxster stablemate apparently not sounding good enough, the great irony is that this new engine probably makes a better noise than any four-cylinder engine fitted to a current car."
The rest is rather more predictable;
"Reaching some corners, and the difference between the Cayman and the M2 is plain to see. The M2 can’t change direction as quickly, rolls more in the middle of the corner, and doesn’t grip as tenaciously. The gear change isn’t as slick, either.
However, all of that is about as surprising as an explosion in a Michael Bay movie. Sure, the M2 has a track that’s 58mm wider at the front and 45mm wider at the back compared to an M235i, plus bits of M4 in its suspension and an electronically controlled M limited-slip differential, but it’s still not a sports car built from the ground up like the Cayman is. And that shows."
All the more grist to the good-vibes mill.
Not sure how comparing a 2 seater mid engine sports car with a 4 seater, front mount sports coupe is any relevance.
Did the test Cayman have a Sports exhaust? My 718 S (no PSE) doesn't really make any noise inside the cabin, not sure where this zing is coming from?
I did manage 35.5 mpg today, 20 miles of A roads and 15 miles of motorway, steady driving though. Taking it back to the dealer soon so expect more on the long run, can it do 40mpg is the test.
The Burmester sound system is so good, everyone should spec that. The steering wheel is much nicer than the 981.
Is the pedal box between PDK and Manual cars aligned the same?
Did the test Cayman have a Sports exhaust? My 718 S (no PSE) doesn't really make any noise inside the cabin, not sure where this zing is coming from?
I did manage 35.5 mpg today, 20 miles of A roads and 15 miles of motorway, steady driving though. Taking it back to the dealer soon so expect more on the long run, can it do 40mpg is the test.
The Burmester sound system is so good, everyone should spec that. The steering wheel is much nicer than the 981.
Is the pedal box between PDK and Manual cars aligned the same?
JayK12 said:
Not sure how comparing a 2 seater mid engine sports car with a 4 seater, front mount sports coupe is any relevance.
Did the test Cayman have a Sports exhaust? My 718 S (no PSE) doesn't really make any noise inside the cabin, not sure where this zing is coming from?
I did manage 35.5 mpg today, 20 miles of A roads and 15 miles of motorway, steady driving though. Taking it back to the dealer soon so expect more on the long run, can it do 40mpg is the test.
The Burmester sound system is so good, everyone should spec that. The steering wheel is much nicer than the 981.
Is the pedal box between PDK and Manual cars aligned the same?
What do you think it should be compared to?Did the test Cayman have a Sports exhaust? My 718 S (no PSE) doesn't really make any noise inside the cabin, not sure where this zing is coming from?
I did manage 35.5 mpg today, 20 miles of A roads and 15 miles of motorway, steady driving though. Taking it back to the dealer soon so expect more on the long run, can it do 40mpg is the test.
The Burmester sound system is so good, everyone should spec that. The steering wheel is much nicer than the 981.
Is the pedal box between PDK and Manual cars aligned the same?
It's a reasonable question. I suppose the comparison is there because many people who are in the market for a 718 Cayman S are in the same market for an M2.
I'm a good example; I'm currently in an M235i, an M2 is the logical step up, and it's a step I seriously considered before I ventured down route 718.
These sorts of comparisons, between admittedly different beasts, are interesting because they do highlight the differences between the different types of car, and may help to cement why one may lean more toward purchasing one or t'other.
I'm a good example; I'm currently in an M235i, an M2 is the logical step up, and it's a step I seriously considered before I ventured down route 718.
These sorts of comparisons, between admittedly different beasts, are interesting because they do highlight the differences between the different types of car, and may help to cement why one may lean more toward purchasing one or t'other.
FourPotPorsche said:
JayK12 said:
Not sure how comparing a 2 seater mid engine sports car with a 4 seater, front mount sports coupe is any relevance.
Did the test Cayman have a Sports exhaust? My 718 S (no PSE) doesn't really make any noise inside the cabin, not sure where this zing is coming from?
I did manage 35.5 mpg today, 20 miles of A roads and 15 miles of motorway, steady driving though. Taking it back to the dealer soon so expect more on the long run, can it do 40mpg is the test.
The Burmester sound system is so good, everyone should spec that. The steering wheel is much nicer than the 981.
Is the pedal box between PDK and Manual cars aligned the same?
It's relevant to those who may be cross-shopping them, albeit a basic manual Cayman S is about £5K north of the M2. What I don't see is how MPG has any relevance to a sports car? The Beastmaster is awesome according to all who hear it and I presume given the aural challenges for some of the F4T it may will be a must-have option, but not for me at £2663Did the test Cayman have a Sports exhaust? My 718 S (no PSE) doesn't really make any noise inside the cabin, not sure where this zing is coming from?
I did manage 35.5 mpg today, 20 miles of A roads and 15 miles of motorway, steady driving though. Taking it back to the dealer soon so expect more on the long run, can it do 40mpg is the test.
The Burmester sound system is so good, everyone should spec that. The steering wheel is much nicer than the 981.
Is the pedal box between PDK and Manual cars aligned the same?
I don't care about MPG but some people buying these as daily's might, or as me i was just generally impressed with performance engines able to give high MPG and perform. Just like the A45 AMG 4 pot 2.0 Turbo, 380 hp and still give 40 mpg on a run, its impressive.
If it was my daily I would go for it over something like PCCBs, sounds so good. Mine has Bose so will be interesting to compare the difference when i go pick it up later and had the 718S back, I maybe very very disappointed, but its not a daily and i rarely use the radio :s
FourPotPorsche said:
What I don't see is how MPG has any relevance to a sports car?
It's because you view it as a sports car. If it is an everyday car used for (many) boring journeys as well as fun ones economy becomes a consideration (to me at least). I use mine on boose cruises, long motorway trips etc - and if it wasn't at least reasonably economical I'd use the family car instead. For me (and I don't think I'm alone) I chose a Cayman precisely because it is such a good all-rounder. If I was buying a weekend hoon car (only) it would be something much more focused than a Cayman and economy would be way down on my priorities too. JayK12 said:
The Burmester sound system is so good, everyone should spec that. The steering wheel is much nicer than the 981.
Is the pedal box between PDK and Manual cars aligned the same?
I am sure that the Burmeister sound system is good but at £2,663 it is a completely daft amount of money to spend in a sports car. For most people the standard set up(upgraded in the S models) is going to be more than adequate. Why not spend it on something that is going to enhance the car dynamics or looks? Don't you also lose some space in the front luggage area for all the burmeister kit?( not sure on this but when I was looking at some customised luggage on a web site it seemed to indicate this on the previous Boxster).Is the pedal box between PDK and Manual cars aligned the same?
I have driven 718 Cayman/ Boxster with Bose and standard and was hard pushed to tell the difference. Bear in mind the acoustics were not designed for a high end hi -fi studio not to mention the tyre/engine noise. Your buying a sports car to hear the sound of the engine and the pops and crackles on the overrun.... not vivaldi's four seasons!
I have also driven both the manual and PDK but cannot recall if the pedal box alignment changes, I did not drive back to back. I would imagine there is a difference due to loss of clutch.
The Mean Machine said:
I am sure that the Burmeister sound system is good but at £2,663 it is a completely daft amount of money to spend in a sports car. For most people the standard set up(upgraded in the S models) is going to be more than adequate. Why not spend it on something that is going to enhance the car dynamics or looks? Don't you also lose some space in the front luggage area for all the burmeister kit?( not sure on this but when I was looking at some customised luggage on a web site it seemed to indicate this on the previous Boxster).
I have driven 718 Cayman/ Boxster with Bose and standard and was hard pushed to tell the difference. Bear in mind the acoustics were not designed for a high end hi -fi studio not to mention the tyre/engine noise. Your buying a sports car to hear the sound of the engine and the pops and crackles on the overrun.... not vivaldi's four seasons!
I must agree I really can't understand the appeal of Burmeister or Bose. Except at low speed tyre roar and other noises make anything vaguely approaching hifi impossible (laughable). Bose (which I have) is very poor for an £800 system (actually it's very poor for something half the price). So I find it difficult on the 718 in particular to justify any sound upgrade - unless you spend a lot of time in traffic.I have driven 718 Cayman/ Boxster with Bose and standard and was hard pushed to tell the difference. Bear in mind the acoustics were not designed for a high end hi -fi studio not to mention the tyre/engine noise. Your buying a sports car to hear the sound of the engine and the pops and crackles on the overrun.... not vivaldi's four seasons!
£2600 will buy you PSM and PTV and a couple of things besides... But then I can't understand anyone paying 2 grand for a wheel upgrade, so who am I to judge.
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