Cayman R - think I'm about to buy
Discussion
Porsche-R said:
The R was limited edition
It was never a limited edition, nor limited production, Porsche just struggled to sell them at the time. It has however now meant with around 100 manuals and 100 pdk's, it is somewhat rare.I'd favour the manual with the must have extras (buckets, spyder wheels etc), but the car is not a patch on the GT4 imo, but we are talking two very different beasts.
mdianuk said:
I'd favour the manual with the must have extras (buckets, spyder wheels etc), but the car is not a patch on the GT4 imo, but we are talking two very different beasts.
And it's not fair to compare a £40k car with an £90k car! ( although the rrp with extras was £60k new for a CR v a nicely specd gt4 for £72k new)I just wish porsche had made the CR with a bespoke body , chassis and engine with 360hp + 3.4/3.6 or just had done with and put the 3.8 l in but as it is we had to wait for the gt4 to arrive !Best just to own both they are nothing like the same car to drive.
Hard to put one up vs the other as I like driving the R more as it happens.
It feels smaller, it has much less grip and steering feel has the GT4 licked by a county mile ESP in the wet.
Power wise, no more is really needed unless you live outside the UK and visit Spa every month.
I think you would be shocked how close they are in a drag race to a ton side by side.
GT4 is a far better track car BUT only if you adjust the geo's and many won't as its not possable without fitting adjustable rear toe links, a lot of cars are not even in Porsche spec at the rear as it stands ! And seems an on going issue.
I ripped out the rear fixed toe links straigt away, seems daft to have all that adjustment but you cannot adjust any thing !
I am hoping for a GT4 recall in the USA as they take things a bit more serious than the UK.
Be interesting what Porsche does to the USA cars which cannot even make spec geo standards !
Hard to put one up vs the other as I like driving the R more as it happens.
It feels smaller, it has much less grip and steering feel has the GT4 licked by a county mile ESP in the wet.
Power wise, no more is really needed unless you live outside the UK and visit Spa every month.
I think you would be shocked how close they are in a drag race to a ton side by side.
GT4 is a far better track car BUT only if you adjust the geo's and many won't as its not possable without fitting adjustable rear toe links, a lot of cars are not even in Porsche spec at the rear as it stands ! And seems an on going issue.
I ripped out the rear fixed toe links straigt away, seems daft to have all that adjustment but you cannot adjust any thing !
I am hoping for a GT4 recall in the USA as they take things a bit more serious than the UK.
Be interesting what Porsche does to the USA cars which cannot even make spec geo standards !
Porsche911R said:
Best just to own both they are nothing like the same car to drive.
Power wise, no more is really needed unless you live outside the UK and visit Spa every month.
I think you would be shocked how close they are in a drag race to a ton side by side
One of my biggest problems with the 987spyder which owned and has same performance of the CR was the lack of power/torque as ford hot hatches would keep up in fast acceleration situations on the road which is embarrassing!( most likely why you tuned your spyder mrD)It just lacked punch and felt it no quicker than the 25hp less 987.1 CS I owned before, as for the gt4 it's a lot quicker without even trying and certainly to 100 mph and from personal experience the spyder was a lot slower !Power wise, no more is really needed unless you live outside the UK and visit Spa every month.
I think you would be shocked how close they are in a drag race to a ton side by side
But as we all know the gt4 would benefit from shorter gearing and an engine with the power delivery of say 997 GtS would be better but there is nothing that can be done about the ESP steering
Hamperman said:
Thanks Boxesy, that's good to hear. You are right about the spread of prices. I always thought I would avoid OPC but there prices don't actually seem that bad.
What do you think prices will be like in say 5 years time? I know this is impossible for anyone to know and not the reason for buying but everyone likes to get something that won't plummet too much.
Yes the OPC prices are not too bad especially when you factor in that you'll get 2 years warranty. Mine actually came with the best part of two years too even though it was a private sale. Future pricing, you're right that it's impossible to predict. I'll still have mine in five years so I'll let you know then! (had my last two Porsches for 9 and 7 years respectively). Myself and a couple of like minded friends bought our Cayman Rs with the primary reason of driving them on road and track. If they don't depreciate much that will be a bonus (none of us expect them to appreciate). My guess is that they will not lose much in that time. The evidence being that the equivalent S is also in such demand that it has all but stopped depreciating. Even the very first generation of the Cayman S appears to have a very high bottom price (if that makes sense!) which is significantly higher than the equivalent 987 boxsters.What do you think prices will be like in say 5 years time? I know this is impossible for anyone to know and not the reason for buying but everyone likes to get something that won't plummet too much.
I struggled with the delta between the most expensive and cheapest cars when I bought mine so decided to pay top dollar (£49k) in Feb 2016 for a car which ticked most of the apparent 'must have' boxes - that way, at least I knew I was paying the right price if that makes sense. It's the mid-range cars (maybe higher mileage, not quite the right spec or colour which I struggled to value). I know I'd take a £5k bath if I tried to sell it privately now but fairly confident I'll lose little over a 5 year period (certainly compared to most 4 year old sports cars). Ridiculously spec sensitive and I swear some cars hang around just because they've got a rear wiper...! Great cars - don't drive mine much but took it to work today and it was a hoot....
Porsche-R said:
Trying to remain objective as much as possible here.. but having mine currently advertised, hinders that slightly.
The R was limited edition...snip
The R wasn't a limited edition, it was produced in 'limited numbers'. Very different things. Limited editions carry a plaque in the car identifying that vehicle's build number within the edition.The R was limited edition...snip
Doesn't take away from the car though but in the interests of factual correctness for the OP.
Mutema said:
The R wasn't a limited edition, it was produced in 'limited numbers'. Very different things. Limited editions carry a plaque in the car identifying that vehicle's build number within the edition.
Doesn't take away from the car though but in the interests of factual correctness for the OP.
Fair enough - accuracy is important. Doesn't take away from the car though but in the interests of factual correctness for the OP.
Porsche-R said:
Might look unsightly to some, I never really thought about it..., but useful if you get caught in a spot of rain on a long road trip and want to see behind you 
Same here. I wasn't going to turn down the car because it had a rear wiper and have indeed found it useful for clearing the dew in the mornings.Well I think I might qualify as the only unbiased one you'll get on here when it comes to the Cayman R much to the distress of some of the "purists" lol
The positives on the R
Its a rare car and value wise will do very well over the longer term especially if you buy it and then put it away and never drive it.
If you get one with a PSE is a wonderful sounding Exhaust one of the best 6 pot sounds ever
Compared to an S they in the main tend to be better specced
The not so positives and argument for just getting an S
A good specced S is very hard to find actually probably harder than trying to find an R
It will be at least 10k less for an S and although the S will depreciate at a glacial rate theres almost zero chance of them going up in the longer term like the R will
The suspension on the R is hideous for road driving in the UK. Its too stiff and relatively unsophisticated. Although I never actually did a trackday in my R I suspect that ironically its probably a bit soft for serious track driving.
A PASM equipped S rides vastly better and with PASM on sport its stiffer than an R.
Might take a while to find a decent spec S but they are out there in small numbers even with buckets etc
Its been done to death on these pages but I have had both. Take a totally objective view on either. The S I have is almost identical in spec to the R that I owned and its vastly better in every way apart from the exhaust note and programming on the map is not quite so fruity sounding.
Both were PDK this was my preference. Manual shifters on both are pretty poor IMO whereas the PDK is one of the better auto boxes.
If you have the opportunity try both if you can but take both down real world roads where you will be driving not just on a smooth dual carriageway.
The R is a lovely idea and its always nice to own a bit of Porsche history. Its alright but other than the extra spec you normally get with Rs they offer no benefits at all over standard car.
The positives on the R
Its a rare car and value wise will do very well over the longer term especially if you buy it and then put it away and never drive it.
If you get one with a PSE is a wonderful sounding Exhaust one of the best 6 pot sounds ever
Compared to an S they in the main tend to be better specced
The not so positives and argument for just getting an S
A good specced S is very hard to find actually probably harder than trying to find an R
It will be at least 10k less for an S and although the S will depreciate at a glacial rate theres almost zero chance of them going up in the longer term like the R will
The suspension on the R is hideous for road driving in the UK. Its too stiff and relatively unsophisticated. Although I never actually did a trackday in my R I suspect that ironically its probably a bit soft for serious track driving.
A PASM equipped S rides vastly better and with PASM on sport its stiffer than an R.
Might take a while to find a decent spec S but they are out there in small numbers even with buckets etc
Its been done to death on these pages but I have had both. Take a totally objective view on either. The S I have is almost identical in spec to the R that I owned and its vastly better in every way apart from the exhaust note and programming on the map is not quite so fruity sounding.
Both were PDK this was my preference. Manual shifters on both are pretty poor IMO whereas the PDK is one of the better auto boxes.
If you have the opportunity try both if you can but take both down real world roads where you will be driving not just on a smooth dual carriageway.
The R is a lovely idea and its always nice to own a bit of Porsche history. Its alright but other than the extra spec you normally get with Rs they offer no benefits at all over standard car.
The R's trick is the passive shock set up.
If you don't get that then you don't get the R and you ARE better off with an S, it's the main reason to have an R over the S.
PASM is a bit soft for me on the road, and turned on way too hard and seems pointless. I fitted 18" on my old PASM car as it was s
t on 19" IMO.
The R gives you that firm but great ride and it's far far softer than a GT3 which many people say is ok on the road also !
If you think an R is too hard on the road a proper sports car is not really what you are after.
Also I find the R to hard for the road an odd comment coming from a Elise trader when those cars offer a much firmer drive.!
You also like PDK which is a bit st on this type of car IMO and its early gen 1 PDK,
Gen 2 PDK is leagues better over the gen 1.
I still think you don't get the R at all !
If you don't get that then you don't get the R and you ARE better off with an S, it's the main reason to have an R over the S.
PASM is a bit soft for me on the road, and turned on way too hard and seems pointless. I fitted 18" on my old PASM car as it was s
t on 19" IMO.The R gives you that firm but great ride and it's far far softer than a GT3 which many people say is ok on the road also !
If you think an R is too hard on the road a proper sports car is not really what you are after.
Also I find the R to hard for the road an odd comment coming from a Elise trader when those cars offer a much firmer drive.!
You also like PDK which is a bit s
t on this type of car IMO and its early gen 1 PDK,Gen 2 PDK is leagues better over the gen 1.
I still think you don't get the R at all !
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 28th August 16:53
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