Cayman R - think I'm about to buy
Discussion
I'm pretty sure that the yellow car was a press car that was specced without aircon to keep it to the original ethos of being lighter than the S:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5EkUiPqtKA
...and while some might say that the PSE is part of the grail spec I'm more than happy with how the standard one sounds. Purposeful without being shouty. You still get the great induction noise without annoying the neighbors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5EkUiPqtKA
...and while some might say that the PSE is part of the grail spec I'm more than happy with how the standard one sounds. Purposeful without being shouty. You still get the great induction noise without annoying the neighbors.
Yes it's a well specced car and I have been speaking to them about it. If I'm honest black isn't my favourite colour but it does look nice with the silver wheels. As a used car buyer though I'm well aware you have to compromise and colour is probably one of those items.
Is there anyway of seeing how many are out there in different colours/spec?
Is there anyway of seeing how many are out there in different colours/spec?
Hamperman said:
Yes have noticed that they do seem to hang around quite a while.
Not what I've found for manual cars with buckets and spyders. Since I've been looking, 2 private cars have been picked up by the trade and sold within days. Another was privately advertised and then picked up by JZM and is still available. The Peridot car you already know about. The GR car at RPM looks pretty decent to me - I was tempted by it but have now decided to get a GT3 again. I suspect that won't hang around for long either.Hamperman said:
Yes it's a well specced car and I have been speaking to them about it. If I'm honest black isn't my favourite colour but it does look nice with the silver wheels. As a used car buyer though I'm well aware you have to compromise and colour is probably one of those items.
Is there anyway of seeing how many are out there in different colours/spec?
You really need to be stood in front of it to know if you want to compromise on colour. Black is not much of a compromise imo, not with the wheels/mirrors etc of that particular car which really lift it, yellow is nice for a GT but for the R the Peridot is more apt, but they're mostly manual in the classifieds. Get down there Hamperman, you can do a deal with the guys down there too Is there anyway of seeing how many are out there in different colours/spec?
Perediot would be right up there on colour choice as well. I do like the one at Brooklands, the sales chap I have been speaking to has now gone on holiday. When I was speaking to them last week I had a trade in but I don't now as I have swapped my 340 for a Mini Cooper S for everyday use and I collect that today.
Decisions, decisions. I think I'm in a good place to move fast but there is always that doubt of what will be advertised next!
Decisions, decisions. I think I'm in a good place to move fast but there is always that doubt of what will be advertised next!
SignalGruen said:
Not what I've found for manual cars with buckets and spyders. Since I've been looking, 2 private cars have been picked up by the trade and sold within days. Another was privately advertised and then picked up by JZM and is still available. The Peridot car you already know about. The GR car at RPM looks pretty decent to me - I was tempted by it but have now decided to get a GT3 again. I suspect that won't hang around for long either.
Will you have it in time for Oulton Park? 
SignalGruen said:
I have to admit, I would have bought the Peridot car up in Scotland if it didn't have a rear wiper.
I bought that car! Not sold on the rear wiper and it does upset the lines slightly but it was very useful when it was tipping it down the day I collected it!Plus, living in Scotland, it'll probably see a fair bit of use!
I drove a few 987.2s in both 'S' and base model format before going for the 'R' - I've been continually impressed with mine since I got it.
Off to the West Coast of Scotland with the mountain bikes this weekend so hoping for a few chances to stretch its legs on the roads over that way...
boxsey said:
SignalGruen said:
Not what I've found for manual cars with buckets and spyders. Since I've been looking, 2 private cars have been picked up by the trade and sold within days. Another was privately advertised and then picked up by JZM and is still available. The Peridot car you already know about. The GR car at RPM looks pretty decent to me - I was tempted by it but have now decided to get a GT3 again. I suspect that won't hang around for long either.
Will you have it in time for Oulton Park? My 2 penneth of input as a fairly new CR owner (since May 21st).I wanted an R for it being the supposed pinnacle of the range, a Porsche "special" and for the rarity. I didn't look at or drive an S as I really wanted an R, and something that would not depreciate at all quickly.
Its a car - not an investment! It'll depreciate slowly, but my view is that unless it's a museum piece it'll not go up in price. Buy on that basis and then if it does go up you've got a bonus! I bought mine to use - but only for 3k miles or so a year as a weekend toy.
Spec is all important and you need to hold out for it. The cars at OPC are top dollar and you need to protect that outlay so be fussy. Mine is white, manual, black spyders, carbon seats, PSE, nav, sports chrono, no rear wiper, no cup holders, 29k miles, 4 owners. Mileage and number of owners on the limit admittedly - beyond the limit for some.
Number of owners - didn't bother me for a 2011 car as the condition was spot on. My cousin works for an OPC (not the one I purchased from) and his view was to expect multiple owners but 4 was the limit in his view.
Mileage - I prefer a car that has been used reasonably regularly. I've had ultra low mileage cars with a few years on them in the past and they have been a pain with dry seals/rubbers and other such stuff. I wouldn't rule out low milers, but wasn't concerned at 29k either.
My view on essentials is all the things my car does have. Bose would have been nice as would Xenons, but how far do you go before you dilute the ethos of the R ? For me adding leather trims etc and cup holders starts to eat into that. I cut all cars with the rear wiper off my list as it's ugly, but that is simply personal choice. If it does not have carbon seats or spyder wheels, don't bother. Also look for the tracker system (VTS) which may help insurance. Alcantara steering wheel is nice too!
For me the PCCB's were a real difficult one. I had been sniffing around a perfect spec, peridot car at Camerons for a while that was at a great price, but the more I researched the PCCB's that it had, the more I realised that the replacement costs and fear of damage to them would take the edge off the ownership experience. That was a financial concern that I could not really live with. You might be in a stronger position and not have that same concern, or are willing to accept that steel rotors can be swapped out for around £3k if required (and the calipers are huge on the PCCB setup so perhaps worth it).
PDK vs Manual - if these cars do increase in value then the manual will be the desirable spec. PDK is good, but not the purist choice, and these cars attract purists! That said, they are about 100 of each registered in the UK presently. Very even distribution. In your case, you have a potential need for PDK and you might as well buy the version that you can drive and enjoy as and when you want without fear of pain!
Colour - I don't like the silver contrasting trims on black/blue cars - side vents look "aftermarket". Not keen on yellow. Peridot splits opinion but as the launch colour will always do well on resale. Love red, white, silver but at the end of the day, its all about personal choice and we all have our opinions on best colour. But it is white with black wheels!
Expect the front end to have been resprayed by OPC.
The OPC invoice I have shows the car, the warranty, any included road tax, and breakdown cover all listed as individually priced items that in total reflect the price negotiated from the advertised price (I managed to get £1300 discounted but really had to push. Was offered nearly £1k more off if I reduced warranty to 1 year, but for me that then questions why I was going to OPC!). Helps convince the Mrs that I paid less for the actual car!
The drive - yes suspension is hard, but as you gather pace it starts to make sense as you can get a really nice flow to the drive with the suspension being well controlled and keeping it all in check. The steering feel is fantastic and you know exactly what is happening underneath you. It copes well with undulations and some of the poor road surfaces we have. Brakes aren't the most feelsome but then you can fix that with a GT3 master cylinder apparently. Around town, it is hard - no denying. But who cares when you're in a car this good! Road noise isn't exactly low - but then when pressing on it all adds to the drama and the experience.
The engine noise - PSE, 6 cylinders, 3.4 and 330bhp (figures quoted seem to vary from source to source!). You won't get engines like this anymore. Just read any review of a 718 and it always concludes "an excellent car with a poor engine note" or similar. The engine sound is such a big part of the driving experience in these cars. Performance suits the chassis and is well matched. It feels barely any quicker than my Golf R but that is turbo and therefore very torquey so possibly just a perception.
Running costs - on a run, 34mpg is achievable but that isn't the point! Servicing etc - certainly looks to be less than an M3. Seems to be a little over that of a Golf R / Audi S3.
Lastly - I am not saying all the above is absolute - it's just my view and contains some of the things I looked at, considered and determined as essential for me when choosing my car. Mileage and owners is the weak spot, but spec should help balance that (I hope). I've only covered about 1100 miles in mine and half of that has been motorway work so I haven't really got to know the car properly in terms of "on the limit" handling etc. One day I shall get there! I love mine and every drive is still an occasion.
Its a car - not an investment! It'll depreciate slowly, but my view is that unless it's a museum piece it'll not go up in price. Buy on that basis and then if it does go up you've got a bonus! I bought mine to use - but only for 3k miles or so a year as a weekend toy.
Spec is all important and you need to hold out for it. The cars at OPC are top dollar and you need to protect that outlay so be fussy. Mine is white, manual, black spyders, carbon seats, PSE, nav, sports chrono, no rear wiper, no cup holders, 29k miles, 4 owners. Mileage and number of owners on the limit admittedly - beyond the limit for some.
Number of owners - didn't bother me for a 2011 car as the condition was spot on. My cousin works for an OPC (not the one I purchased from) and his view was to expect multiple owners but 4 was the limit in his view.
Mileage - I prefer a car that has been used reasonably regularly. I've had ultra low mileage cars with a few years on them in the past and they have been a pain with dry seals/rubbers and other such stuff. I wouldn't rule out low milers, but wasn't concerned at 29k either.
My view on essentials is all the things my car does have. Bose would have been nice as would Xenons, but how far do you go before you dilute the ethos of the R ? For me adding leather trims etc and cup holders starts to eat into that. I cut all cars with the rear wiper off my list as it's ugly, but that is simply personal choice. If it does not have carbon seats or spyder wheels, don't bother. Also look for the tracker system (VTS) which may help insurance. Alcantara steering wheel is nice too!
For me the PCCB's were a real difficult one. I had been sniffing around a perfect spec, peridot car at Camerons for a while that was at a great price, but the more I researched the PCCB's that it had, the more I realised that the replacement costs and fear of damage to them would take the edge off the ownership experience. That was a financial concern that I could not really live with. You might be in a stronger position and not have that same concern, or are willing to accept that steel rotors can be swapped out for around £3k if required (and the calipers are huge on the PCCB setup so perhaps worth it).
PDK vs Manual - if these cars do increase in value then the manual will be the desirable spec. PDK is good, but not the purist choice, and these cars attract purists! That said, they are about 100 of each registered in the UK presently. Very even distribution. In your case, you have a potential need for PDK and you might as well buy the version that you can drive and enjoy as and when you want without fear of pain!
Colour - I don't like the silver contrasting trims on black/blue cars - side vents look "aftermarket". Not keen on yellow. Peridot splits opinion but as the launch colour will always do well on resale. Love red, white, silver but at the end of the day, its all about personal choice and we all have our opinions on best colour. But it is white with black wheels!
Expect the front end to have been resprayed by OPC.
The OPC invoice I have shows the car, the warranty, any included road tax, and breakdown cover all listed as individually priced items that in total reflect the price negotiated from the advertised price (I managed to get £1300 discounted but really had to push. Was offered nearly £1k more off if I reduced warranty to 1 year, but for me that then questions why I was going to OPC!). Helps convince the Mrs that I paid less for the actual car!
The drive - yes suspension is hard, but as you gather pace it starts to make sense as you can get a really nice flow to the drive with the suspension being well controlled and keeping it all in check. The steering feel is fantastic and you know exactly what is happening underneath you. It copes well with undulations and some of the poor road surfaces we have. Brakes aren't the most feelsome but then you can fix that with a GT3 master cylinder apparently. Around town, it is hard - no denying. But who cares when you're in a car this good! Road noise isn't exactly low - but then when pressing on it all adds to the drama and the experience.
The engine noise - PSE, 6 cylinders, 3.4 and 330bhp (figures quoted seem to vary from source to source!). You won't get engines like this anymore. Just read any review of a 718 and it always concludes "an excellent car with a poor engine note" or similar. The engine sound is such a big part of the driving experience in these cars. Performance suits the chassis and is well matched. It feels barely any quicker than my Golf R but that is turbo and therefore very torquey so possibly just a perception.
Running costs - on a run, 34mpg is achievable but that isn't the point! Servicing etc - certainly looks to be less than an M3. Seems to be a little over that of a Golf R / Audi S3.
Lastly - I am not saying all the above is absolute - it's just my view and contains some of the things I looked at, considered and determined as essential for me when choosing my car. Mileage and owners is the weak spot, but spec should help balance that (I hope). I've only covered about 1100 miles in mine and half of that has been motorway work so I haven't really got to know the car properly in terms of "on the limit" handling etc. One day I shall get there! I love mine and every drive is still an occasion.
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